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Ellie May · 02-02-2008, 10:18 AM

Green beans are high oxalate and shouldn't be given.

I would with TLCs recipe and just use water with a mashed veggie, a flour (not sure what kind is good and an oil (canola should be fine?

).

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkieluv

The Old Mother Hubbard Liv'r treats are no good for liver compromised dogs...Liver is one of the worst things you can give them. It's very difficult for them to metabolize liver and it overworks their liver so much.

they aren't going to have these anymore either. I had nothing to give them and they were driving me crazy. they look very forward to that first morning treat and also when i get home from work. when my husband gets home too they head straight for the treat jar. we were giving for 2 days- the sweet potato things i bought. But no more of those either for them. I want to make the treats for them but i also want to put a lot of really good things in there that they can have. on the link i found i just didn't know which one to pick. I guess i really don't need a specific recipe... i am def thinking about going with the wheat flour and from there ??? not too sure. i read about eggs included in the recipe, honey... but i want to make sure i make something good they can actually eat. lately i have been giving them things that they LOVE but then find out they cannot have.

Hey if anything its distracting my mind from worrying so much. :-) i still haven't given the Ursodiol yet. I am going to tonight though. around 9 pm is when i will give her that. Just scared that's all. :-) i read that somewhere 37% it causes diarrhea. and i hope that she does ok with it. samie never has had diarhea- not even once. so maybe she will do ok.

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

Green beans are high oxalate and shouldn't be given.

I would with TLCs recipe and just use water with a mashed veggie, a flour (not sure what kind is good and an oil (canola should be fine?

).

ok- no more green beans now then. i thought they were med oxalate? any ideas on what kind of mashed veggies? i am going back to the b-naturals link to read some more.

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 10:34 AM

the problem i am having with the b-natural link is it has a WEALTH of info on there and i keep getting side tracked. But yes i have to spend some time on there definitely.

The girls need a bath today and a nails and ear trim. and i still need to go to the grocery store. I am limited on time today but i have got to find something to use for treats. I just tried to give them a piece of wet food for now out of the fridge and it worked. The wellness dry food that i wet (doesn't seem to keep them full for a long time) i fed them this am at 6am and they are laying in front of their water bowl now. next feeding isn't for 6 hours. so when i give them a treat they leave the water bowl and lay down in the living room with me.

When i go to feed them it's as if they hadn't eaten for days. they have never done this before until i switched foods. and they eat so fast also. 1 min or less and they are both done eating.

TLC · 02-02-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sadiesamie

ok- no more green beans now then. i thought they were med oxalate? any ideas on what kind of mashed veggies? i am going back to the b-naturals link to read some more.

Honestly, you would be surprised at how little you need to add.

Flour (like 1 cup)
Water (maybe 1/4 cup or less)
Oil (and really only like 1 tablespoon)
And something else....(pureed celery and zucchini or squash)
and then bake

You really don't have to go too nuts with ingredients and flavoring

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 10:41 AM

this is what i found for "low oxalate" - i will also eliminate the meat/eggs so that both dogs can have the treats i make.

VEGETABLES:
Avocado
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Mushrooms
Onions
Peas (fresh or frozen)
Potatoes
Radishes

MEAT and MEAT SUBSTITUTES:
Beef, lamb, or pork
Cheese
Eggs
Fish and shellfish
Poultry

STARCHES:
Bread made without bran, wheat germ, or whole grains
Cereals
Macaroni
Noodles
Rice
Spaghetti (plain)

FATS and OILS:
Bacon
Butter
Margarine
Mayonnaise
Salad dressing
Vegetable oils

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TLC

Honestly, you would be surprised at how little you need to add.

Flour (like 1 cup)
Water (maybe 1/4 cup or less)
Oil (and really only like 1 tablespoon)
And something else....(pureed celery and zucchini or squash)
and then bake

You really don't have to go too nuts with ingredients and flavoring

ok- i will try it! thanks so much.
I will let you know how they turn out and what i used.

oh can i use a little brown gravy mix in there? or peanut butter?

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 10:45 AM

what about oat meal?

Ellie May · 02-02-2008, 11:12 AM

One site I found says green beans are high oxalate, so who knows.

If the brown gravy has salt or preservatives I wouldn't use it.

TLC · 02-02-2008, 11:12 AM

Here's my theory...I try to stay as grain free as possible, but that's just how I feel. I am sure you can add some rolled oats (not instant oatmeal) if you would like. Also, maybe mash up a bunch of peas to add in there. The PB might be ok, not sure though, maybe just add 1 teaspoon.

I try to use minimal amounts of ingredients. KIS (Keep it Simple

)

Honestly, a bunch of mashed up peas just might do the trick for the taste(with flour, water and a tiny bit of oil)

Ellie May · 02-02-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sadiesamie

what about oat meal?

Oatmeal is moderate to high high oxalate along with wheat flour. It gets a little bit confusing because different sites have then in different categories...

White rice is considered moderate or sometimes low. It isn't the best choice for the liver but a little bit probably wouldn't hurt. Maybe try that?

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 11:31 AM

flour (not sure if white flour will be fine) so i am still debating what type of flour to use since wheat won't work)

I will mix:
flour
water
veg oil
mashed potatoes
pureed apples

I am going to boil the potato and apple, then mash it and add to the flour and oil & water mixture.

any flour ideas?

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 11:32 AM

maybe i will add a little white rice

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 11:41 AM

If you think white flour will be ok- then i don't even have to leave the house. I have peas, potatoe and apple and oil here at the house) i was going to get something other than white flour.

i decided no white rice

sadiesamie · 02-02-2008, 11:58 AM

is brown rice flour ok. I don't know if i will be able to find this at the grocery store if so? also i think i want to get safflower oil too. i decided to pick up some unsweetened apple sauce to save time. :-)

i hope i get this right....

02-02-2008, 10:18 AM	#91
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Green beans are high oxalate and shouldn't be given. I would with TLCs recipe and just use water with a mashed veggie, a flour (not sure what kind is good and an oil (canola should be fine? ). __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

02-02-2008, 11:12 AM	#99
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	One site I found says green beans are high oxalate, so who knows. If the brown gravy has salt or preservatives I wouldn't use it. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

02-02-2008, 11:12 AM	#100
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	Here's my theory...I try to stay as grain free as possible, but that's just how I feel. I am sure you can add some rolled oats (not instant oatmeal) if you would like. Also, maybe mash up a bunch of peas to add in there. The PB might be ok, not sure though, maybe just add 1 teaspoon. I try to use minimal amounts of ingredients. KIS (Keep it Simple ) Honestly, a bunch of mashed up peas just might do the trick for the taste(with flour, water and a tiny bit of oil) __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

02-02-2008, 11:31 AM	#102
sadiesamie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: McKinney, Texas Posts: 604	ok- this is what i am going to try... flour (not sure if white flour will be fine) so i am still debating what type of flour to use since wheat won't work) I will mix: flour water veg oil mashed potatoes pureed apples I am going to boil the potato and apple, then mash it and add to the flour and oil & water mixture. any flour ideas?

02-02-2008, 11:32 AM	#103
sadiesamie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: McKinney, Texas Posts: 604	ok- this is what i am going to try... maybe i will add a little white rice

02-02-2008, 10:34 AM	#94
sadiesamie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: McKinney, Texas Posts: 604	the problem i am having with the b-natural link is it has a WEALTH of info on there and i keep getting side tracked. But yes i have to spend some time on there definitely. The girls need a bath today and a nails and ear trim. and i still need to go to the grocery store. I am limited on time today but i have got to find something to use for treats. I just tried to give them a piece of wet food for now out of the fridge and it worked. The wellness dry food that i wet (doesn't seem to keep them full for a long time) i fed them this am at 6am and they are laying in front of their water bowl now. next feeding isn't for 6 hours. so when i give them a treat they leave the water bowl and lay down in the living room with me. When i go to feed them it's as if they hadn't eaten for days. they have never done this before until i switched foods. and they eat so fast also. 1 min or less and they are both done eating.

02-02-2008, 10:41 AM	#96
sadiesamie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: McKinney, Texas Posts: 604	this is what i found for "low oxalate" - i will also eliminate the meat/eggs so that both dogs can have the treats i make. VEGETABLES: Avocado Cabbage Cauliflower Mushrooms Onions Peas (fresh or frozen) Potatoes Radishes MEAT and MEAT SUBSTITUTES: Beef, lamb, or pork Cheese Eggs Fish and shellfish Poultry STARCHES: Bread made without bran, wheat germ, or whole grains Cereals Macaroni Noodles Rice Spaghetti (plain) FATS and OILS: Bacon Butter Margarine Mayonnaise Salad dressing Vegetable oils

02-02-2008, 10:45 AM	#98
sadiesamie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: McKinney, Texas Posts: 604	what about oat meal?

02-02-2008, 11:41 AM	#104
sadiesamie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: McKinney, Texas Posts: 604	If you think white flour will be ok- then i don't even have to leave the house. I have peas, potatoe and apple and oil here at the house) i was going to get something other than white flour. i decided no white rice

02-02-2008, 11:58 AM	#105
sadiesamie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: McKinney, Texas Posts: 604	is brown rice flour ok. I don't know if i will be able to find this at the grocery store if so? also i think i want to get safflower oil too. i decided to pick up some unsweetened apple sauce to save time. :-) i hope i get this right....