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teri88 · 04-10-2006, 11:49 AM

Better watch out Megan, I'll ship you to Tennesse to go to school.

mustangbee · 04-10-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MeganS

this is rediculous! at my school, they talk to you about it. They make sure you know what you did, have you apologize, etc. No one there would ever lay a hand on one of the students. Its against the law, first of all. We (we being kids) should be able to feel safe and secure at school. In both of these situations in this thread, that doesn't sound like the case at these schools. And a punishment going on for a month is insane. A day or 2 yes, but a month!? That's just wrong. All of this is wrong. Wake up people, its 2006!

Wake up parents!!!! Stand up for your kids!!!!!

mustangbee · 04-10-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by teri88

Better watch out Megan, I'll ship you to Tennesse to go to school.

OH NO YOU WON'T!!!!!

I'd step in on that one, Isn't it great being one big happy family!!!!

reneernc · 04-10-2006, 11:55 AM

I am happy to hear you didn't end up in jail this morning, I am afraid that is where I would be!
Sounds to me like the principal and teacher need to go back to school and learn something about dealing with children! ON second thought it sounds like they are in the wrong profession. This type of punishment is in no way acceptable and has not taught a lesson in how to treat others!
I would contact the school board and the news.....right after contacting an attorney. Maybe consider sending a certified letter to the school that in the future you will be contacted before any type of punishment is given out that their practices are unacceptable and very out of date. Let them know you intend to pursue their actions.
Keep us updated, I am anxious to hear how this turns out!

robandkelly13 · 04-10-2006, 11:56 AM

I am appaled by this punishment. I am a teacher and I have never heard of anything like this. If you are not satisfied with the help of the principal talk with the superintendent and/or the school board. I bet the principal is not being held accountable for his actions because none of his bosses are aware of the situation. Talking with the superintendent and/or members of the school board will not only help your son, but will most likely keep this from happening to others students. Good luck!

Tashasmom · 04-10-2006, 12:22 PM

My brother's half sister which she called me and my sisters her sister cause she was so young and didn't understand..well this year she is a senior and in the ground because of name calling. She hung herself. Her mom got up to a note she ran upstairs her duaghter wasn't there..so she ran outside to the garage and there she found her daughter hanging and dead. SOMEONE has got to stop kids from tormenting other kids at school. Name calling does hurt and it does affect other kids. In her not she wrote "I was tired of hurting and being called fat. I couldn't take it anymore"..think of that next time you hear your child calling some other child a name. I had to pull my oldest son because of kids tormenting..he's 6'5 and could of knocked the head off of any kid but i'd raised him to be nice..so no matter how often kids teased him..he was still nice..but late at night i'd hear him cying soflty in his room. So i pulled him and home schooled him. I have a daugther that has to see a counseler because kids tease her because she is a tomboy and dresses like one..she didn't "fit in" with the other girls..and the names they called her wern't what you may think is bad but it was enough to drop her self esteem..she went from being reaally confident to thinking she was ugly..and i've shown pics she and my son are gorgeous..but look what mean kids can do to one child..Parents I beg you to do what you can to stop your children from teasing. I know if it was mine they would think twice of doing it again. I dont' condone it or just say "oh well kids just tease"

Tashasmom · 04-10-2006, 12:35 PM

I"m sorry if my post seems harsh..but i want parents to know and maybe help change this. I hope you all understand why i had to post about that. It's hard for me to talk about and I dont'..most don't know unless they know me personally. But if telling my story stops one more kid from doing this than I had to tell it..

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by teresa20051969

my son is 10 years old and got in trouble in school for calling a little boy gay last month. the priniple put him facing the wall for lunch and breakfast. i never said nothing because i felt he needed punished. this morning while taking him to school he told me he was still sitting at the wall and all the kids was making fun of him. i flew mad and went into the school in nearly tears and jumped all over the principle. this name calling was over a month ago and still being punished

do you all think this punishment is to much or do you think he should still be punished? all kids call others names. thats the way kids are.

WOW! I'm a teacher, and I think that's ridiculous! My students (they're in middle school) call each other gay frequently. If I hear it in my class I freak out and give them a lecture and tell them the next time they're writing an essay. Then, if they do it again they write an essay (all with questions regarding the word "gay") and they have to get it signed. This usually deters them from saying it in my presence.

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashasmom

My brother's half sister which she called me and my sisters her sister cause she was so young and didn't understand..well this year she is a senior and in the ground because of name calling. She hung herself. Her mom got up to a note she ran upstairs her duaghter wasn't there..so she ran outside to the garage and there she found her daughter hanging and dead. SOMEONE has got to stop kids from tormenting other kids at school. Name calling does hurt and it does affect other kids. In her not she wrote "I was tired of hurting and being called fat. I couldn't take it anymore"..think of that next time you hear your child calling some other child a name. I had to pull my oldest son because of kids tormenting..he's 6'5 and could of knocked the head off of any kid but i'd raised him to be nice..so no matter how often kids teased him..he was still nice..but late at night i'd hear him cying soflty in his room. So i pulled him and home schooled him. I have a daugther that has to see a counseler because kids tease her because she is a tomboy and dresses like one..she didn't "fit in" with the other girls..and the names they called her wern't what you may think is bad but it was enough to drop her self esteem..she went from being reaally confident to thinking she was ugly..and i've shown pics she and my son are gorgeous..but look what mean kids can do to one child..Parents I beg you to do what you can to stop your children from teasing. I know if it was mine they would think twice of doing it again. I dont' condone it or just say "oh well kids just tease"

You do have a point (even though a month is too harsh a punishment). I used to make fun of my younger sister all the time. Then, when I was in my young teen years I saw this episode of Oprah, and how this girl (or guy don't remember) killed him/herself because people were incessantly making fun of them. You know what? I stopped making fun of my sister immediately. Have never done it since. But, unfortunately all students don't react to visuals like I do. We have a big assembly every year in our middle school. It's really great! They set up movie screens in the gym, turn off the lights, and show a "movie." It's real kids talking about topics such as making fun/suicide, etc. The kids are all "oooing" and "ahhhing" for about a day. Then they get over it. Sad, but true.

BabyFidgette · 04-10-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kitty

I think the punishment should have ended by now. My school has a paddle policy too but I didn't sign one and they still paddle my kids. The other day one of my sons brought home a graded paper that needed my signautre and I had questions about it so I didn't give it back to my son and told him I would bring it to school. He got paddled because he didn't bring it back even though he told his teacher I was bringing it back. It made me mad. I am fed up with the schools around here and am about ready to home school my kids.

A paddle policy? Is this a public school? I didn't think they did this anymore in the US! I'm shocked.

PlatinumYorkies · 04-10-2006, 01:59 PM

I went to Catholic school, and was paddled...To this day Nuns scare me. I think that when selecting a school, the rules, guidelines, and punishments should be outlined. I don't think standing in the corner is too much if this punishment was set in the "SCHOOLS HANDBOOK" day 1. I might be afraid of nuns, but I think those paddlings help me become a good woman. JMHO!!

Tashasmom · 04-10-2006, 02:34 PM

Baby..I'm glad that show helped you. The sad thing is is alot of kids don't realize it and half tease because they are insecure. I have to say though my youngest has always been very popular and one time she snubbed her sister at school and i lit her heiny up and i'm not one to spank or harshly discipline..it's hard for me to but I also beleive that some things warrant a but woopin and that was one of those times. I didn't want her to grow up thinking that was something o.k. and she's never done it again. It surprised me she did because she's always been such a gentle child but she wanted to remain part of "the in crowd" so she did. NOw she realizes that she needs to be her own individual person and right is right and wrong is wrong. I agree a month is too long..but I do think kids should be punished for wrong doing.

Saleswman · 04-10-2006, 03:22 PM

OMG.....I may have appeared to be somewhat quiet and unassuming....but, don't get me started....with this type of punishment....

#1. Where is this policy documented?
#2. Why have you not been invited to school to talk with principal
or better yet......principal inviting both the children and parents
to school
#3 Sounds like principal is into public humiliation......this is questionable

I would have paid a visit to the principal office, met with my attorney and went to the school board, along with writing a letter to the editor. He has no right to continue this type of punishment.....shouldnt fit the crime? Maybe a call to the Civil Libertiy Union is in order.....they are for civil rights of all Americans......

Of course......nobody is going to humiliate my kids, not teacher, not bully, not principal.....not anybody.....

You need to buy the book....."One minute manager" and put it on his darn desk........

Principal is a joke as far as I am concerned....

Sorry....every hair on the back of my head stood up!!!!!

Saleswman · 04-10-2006, 03:29 PM

Oh don't get me started again.......I am crazy mad at the thought.....they dont even want the wrath of me swooping down on them......

I am not physical, but baby I do know a lot about advertising and marketing....and everyone is the state and country would know about this one....

How about sending an email to Bill O'Reilly.......Fox News.....damn he would handle it.....and ohhhhhhh how I would love to see it on his show....

heather_lathrop · 04-10-2006, 04:10 PM

wow! Where do ya start here! I agree that kids should not call names. But I also think that it is the parents job to teach the child right and wrong. But I don't think that its the case here. The child called him one name. Said he was sorry. The parents agreed that he should be punished. But to put him facing the wall for this long is just cruel. I can understand a day, but months! I would be outraged! And heartbroken for my child. Because I know that children can be cruel. I understand that he did call someone a name. But to put him in the place to be made fun of for that length of time is just terrible! I would be calling the school board for sure. I would want to have a sit down with them and the principle. Sometimes I think that some people pick the wrong careers. Seems to be the case here. Poor little guy. Good luck getting some answers.

04-10-2006, 11:49 AM	#31
teri88 Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 4,021	Better watch out Megan, I'll ship you to Tennesse to go to school. __________________ Teri Owned by and completely devoted to Tucker... Maddie, we will always love you *Bandit, you are always in my heart* Proud Member SSLS

04-10-2006, 12:22 PM	#36
Tashasmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 950	My brother's half sister which she called me and my sisters her sister cause she was so young and didn't understand..well this year she is a senior and in the ground because of name calling. She hung herself. Her mom got up to a note she ran upstairs her duaghter wasn't there..so she ran outside to the garage and there she found her daughter hanging and dead. SOMEONE has got to stop kids from tormenting other kids at school. Name calling does hurt and it does affect other kids. In her not she wrote "I was tired of hurting and being called fat. I couldn't take it anymore"..think of that next time you hear your child calling some other child a name. I had to pull my oldest son because of kids tormenting..he's 6'5 and could of knocked the head off of any kid but i'd raised him to be nice..so no matter how often kids teased him..he was still nice..but late at night i'd hear him cying soflty in his room. So i pulled him and home schooled him. I have a daugther that has to see a counseler because kids tease her because she is a tomboy and dresses like one..she didn't "fit in" with the other girls..and the names they called her wern't what you may think is bad but it was enough to drop her self esteem..she went from being reaally confident to thinking she was ugly..and i've shown pics she and my son are gorgeous..but look what mean kids can do to one child..Parents I beg you to do what you can to stop your children from teasing. I know if it was mine they would think twice of doing it again. I dont' condone it or just say "oh well kids just tease" __________________ LOVE MEANS MORE THAN JUST HUGS & KISSES!!

04-10-2006, 12:35 PM	#37
Tashasmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 950	I"m sorry if my post seems harsh..but i want parents to know and maybe help change this. I hope you all understand why i had to post about that. It's hard for me to talk about and I dont'..most don't know unless they know me personally. But if telling my story stops one more kid from doing this than I had to tell it.. __________________ LOVE MEANS MORE THAN JUST HUGS & KISSES!!

04-10-2006, 01:59 PM	#41
PlatinumYorkies Monte, Mone't's Joy! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MD Posts: 3,009	I went to Catholic school, and was paddled...To this day Nuns scare me. I think that when selecting a school, the rules, guidelines, and punishments should be outlined. I don't think standing in the corner is too much if this punishment was set in the "SCHOOLS HANDBOOK" day 1. I might be afraid of nuns, but I think those paddlings help me become a good woman. JMHO!! __________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."!! **Mone't Mom 2 Monte**

04-10-2006, 02:34 PM	#42
Tashasmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 950	Baby..I'm glad that show helped you. The sad thing is is alot of kids don't realize it and half tease because they are insecure. I have to say though my youngest has always been very popular and one time she snubbed her sister at school and i lit her heiny up and i'm not one to spank or harshly discipline..it's hard for me to but I also beleive that some things warrant a but woopin and that was one of those times. I didn't want her to grow up thinking that was something o.k. and she's never done it again. It surprised me she did because she's always been such a gentle child but she wanted to remain part of "the in crowd" so she did. NOw she realizes that she needs to be her own individual person and right is right and wrong is wrong. I agree a month is too long..but I do think kids should be punished for wrong doing. __________________ LOVE MEANS MORE THAN JUST HUGS & KISSES!!

04-10-2006, 11:55 AM	#34
reneernc Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: alabama Posts: 807	I am happy to hear you didn't end up in jail this morning, I am afraid that is where I would be! Sounds to me like the principal and teacher need to go back to school and learn something about dealing with children! ON second thought it sounds like they are in the wrong profession. This type of punishment is in no way acceptable and has not taught a lesson in how to treat others! I would contact the school board and the news.....right after contacting an attorney. Maybe consider sending a certified letter to the school that in the future you will be contacted before any type of punishment is given out that their practices are unacceptable and very out of date. Let them know you intend to pursue their actions. Keep us updated, I am anxious to hear how this turns out!

04-10-2006, 11:56 AM	#35
robandkelly13 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Garner, NC Posts: 58	I am appaled by this punishment. I am a teacher and I have never heard of anything like this. If you are not satisfied with the help of the principal talk with the superintendent and/or the school board. I bet the principal is not being held accountable for his actions because none of his bosses are aware of the situation. Talking with the superintendent and/or members of the school board will not only help your son, but will most likely keep this from happening to others students. Good luck!

04-10-2006, 03:22 PM	#43
Saleswman Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,643	Kid on the wall....still OMG.....I may have appeared to be somewhat quiet and unassuming....but, don't get me started....with this type of punishment.... #1. Where is this policy documented? #2. Why have you not been invited to school to talk with principal or better yet......principal inviting both the children and parents to school #3 Sounds like principal is into public humiliation......this is questionable I would have paid a visit to the principal office, met with my attorney and went to the school board, along with writing a letter to the editor. He has no right to continue this type of punishment.....shouldnt fit the crime? Maybe a call to the Civil Libertiy Union is in order.....they are for civil rights of all Americans...... Of course......nobody is going to humiliate my kids, not teacher, not bully, not principal.....not anybody..... You need to buy the book....."One minute manager" and put it on his darn desk........ Principal is a joke as far as I am concerned.... Sorry....every hair on the back of my head stood up!!!!!

04-10-2006, 03:29 PM	#44
Saleswman Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,643	Tn school......what part of Tennessee??? Oh don't get me started again.......I am crazy mad at the thought.....they dont even want the wrath of me swooping down on them...... I am not physical, but baby I do know a lot about advertising and marketing....and everyone is the state and country would know about this one.... How about sending an email to Bill O'Reilly.......Fox News.....damn he would handle it.....and ohhhhhhh how I would love to see it on his show....

04-10-2006, 04:10 PM	#45
heather_lathrop Gizmo and Gidget's Pet Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,326	wow! Where do ya start here! I agree that kids should not call names. But I also think that it is the parents job to teach the child right and wrong. But I don't think that its the case here. The child called him one name. Said he was sorry. The parents agreed that he should be punished. But to put him facing the wall for this long is just cruel. I can understand a day, but months! I would be outraged! And heartbroken for my child. Because I know that children can be cruel. I understand that he did call someone a name. But to put him in the place to be made fun of for that length of time is just terrible! I would be calling the school board for sure. I would want to have a sit down with them and the principle. Sometimes I think that some people pick the wrong careers. Seems to be the case here. Poor little guy. Good luck getting some answers. __________________ Heather & Max - In honor of my sweet Ayden!