Didn't know this, maybe they are just spectators, but I've seen two groups, one taking notes, who I assumed, were in the jury and one talking to each other during breaks, and I assumed these were spectators. I know jurors aren't allowed to talk to each other about the case before the trial ends, so thats why I thought those were spectators. Maybe both groups were spectators?

Here's a couple of pictures, first picture Attachment 382654 seems to be of spectators, lots of talking between them during sidebars. Second picture Attachment 382655 is what I thought was the actual jury, these people have been there different days and also take notes.

I think she is a "bunny boiler". What the jury will think, Heaven only knows. The whole thing is mind blowing for sure.

Lol, perfect description!

I think that first group is the gallery or public, reporters, etc.; and from what I understood watching JVM Thursday night, that second group with the thin-faced lady with the long dark hair, dressed in gold, is Travis' family. I know they were all crying at one point, even that guy with the almost buzz cut.

As I recall, during a trial, no photographs or moving or other pictorial images of a juror or the sitting jury may ever be shown. I think that is a rule of our criminal justice system. I've never seen one during a trial. I don't ever think I've seen images of juries sitting or deliberating. There are stock photographs of juries available for the media but that is all, I think.

Okay thanks, I appreciate the correction. I just thought since the one lady was taking notes she was in the jury and I did hear on the Nancy Grace show one person say that since the female jurors were taking such copious notes, she believed that the females would be the major spokesmen in the jury. So I wonder if she observed that in person or if she was just watching the video.

Don't know if you read my earlier post, but did you hear that jurors are allowed to ask questions at the end?

Yes, I'd heard that. I'm almost positive I saw another trial on the old Court TV one time where jurors could ask questions but I may be just imagining that. But it really sounded familiar somehow when I heard the talking heads on that one TV program bring it up - I'd heard of it somewhere before - and I'm wondering where I heard that before. Could have been in a movie or something I guess but it will be interesting to see what they want clarified or more info on about testimony. Those lawyers act as if they are pretty familiar with the concept even if it is rare. It will be interesting to see if they bring the witness back up to the stand to answer the question or how the court handles that. Could be hard if the witness is long gone, as in an expert witness from out of state. Don't know how all of it works so will be neat to find out as I don't remember anything about it except from some long ago memory of the concept. I'd just ask what proof or actual evidence she has that Travis was her abuser or how she could prove to me he was a possible pedophile other than from the lips of a proven liar.

And where she cleaned herself up after the murder? Did she shower there before Travis was dumped in the shower? Or bathe there? And why did she color her hair dark by the time she arrived in Mesa?

Here is a link to an article online with a photgraph or two of that slim-faced woman with long, long, sleek, dark hair that was wearing gold in the other photo you had. I had thought they said on TV that she was Travis' sister and if you scroll down to Photo 5 & 6 or 6 & 7, photos of several people, you will see that same lady here identified as his sister. I guess that is why she is always so grim or has her head down a lot. She looks daggers at that Arias woman when she was on the stand some of those TV lawyers said on more than one show. She has got to be tough to sit through even some of what I hear bleeped out and blurred out on TV! Must be so hard and painful. But if Arias goes free or something, I would look over my shoulder all the time for that face behind me, if I were her. If looks could kill............................

Jodi Arias trial: Admits to killing Travis Alexander in 'self-defense' and says she was beaten as a child | Mail Online

I'd never heard of it before, but I'm really looking forward to it. You've brought up some very interesting questions.

I was really hoping it was the jury, I mean they've made faces that made me think they weren't buying her story, and I'm so sick of jurors letting people off. I'm listening to day 25, I'm just so miserable listening to her, but I can't stop it. She is just so frustrating. She never seems to be able to answer a question yes or no.

Oh, just from the little I've seen on Thurs. and Fri. I get that not directly answering question bit. I'm sure she's a past master at doing that on her own but no doubt her lawyer's had her keep it up as it seemed to frustrate the prosecutor so that Wednesday, was it? I didn't watch any of the trial that day but after it went off, the lawyers on TV were saying that she really had him going with her obfuscations and half-answers and quips. I'd be too afraid the jury would get angry at me, if I were a defendant and did that. That can be infuriating and one has to wonder why in the heck the tap-dance is necessary when a little two-step would suffice. I think she may be digging her own hole with that way of behavior at it is sooooo obvious she doesn't want to honestly answer the question. Tells you volumes about her and her "story" of what happened. It's also a tried 'n true time-buying device that we all recognize for what it is. Unless they are gullible, no jury should allow a defendant to get by with that if they are trying to in any way to side with her that this was a defensive killing. If I had someone I kind of felt sorry for and they used that technique time after time, I think I would turn on them and wonder what they were working so hard to hide and rethink my feelings for them. So she is taking a real chance. May be cute and clever to her and the defense and TV analysts and infuriate the prosecutor, but it could incite that jury to give her a little extra time or find on a harsher count even if they don't think she planned to kill him. She's so busy playing the game of one-upsmanship, she forgets to play the victim most of the time.

Remember how well Mary Winkler did it? She should have taken lessons from her trial.

Refresh my memory, who was Mary Winkler? By the way, read here about her lawyer L. Kirk Murmi, I think this is the same guy, he's not even a murder defense attorney, he's a defends people charged with sex crimes. Wonder why she picked him, was he the only person who would take the case? Attorney. Sex Crimes, Sexual Assault, Sex with a Minor, Indecent Exposure, Sexual Abuse. Phoenix, Arizona.

Oh, thanks for that link, Nancy. I will read about him.

Mary Winkler is the preacher's wife who killed her husband with a shotgun, got her girls and fled, was later found, arrested and her children went to her inlaws while she was in jail. She's the small, intimidated-acting little woman with the cap of shining brown hair, no make-up, kept her head down all the time, spoke barely in a whisper and her defense attorney brought out the streetwalker spike heels, the micromini skirt or costume of some kind??? and the long, long wig that her husband supposedly made her wear during sex. She wouldn't even say the words required to testify as I recall until her attorney "made" her. I don't know if she ever used the word sex but just alluded to it but maybe she did. She was so good at being a victim she could write books and teach classes. Every male totally believed her and none of the females did on the TV courtroom talk shows. It was a study in the gender gap. But she essentially walked. Got 30 or 90 days in a mental home and time served covered most of that or something. She was out free and had her kids back in no time. Total victim. Even the prosecutor was too intimidated by her fawnish mannerisms to go hard on her! She was GOOD at being a victim. Might really have been but hardly any female watching bought her story. She was the polar opposite of Jodi Arias. I mainly remember her Southern type accent and her "yessir" and "nosir" answers in a whisper and seeing mostly the top of her head during testimony. Oh, she was good. And she was kiting checks and some other kind of money things and many thought she killed her husband on the day he found out what kind of things she'd been doing with money and that she was about to be arrested for the bank fraud stuff. She said he had berated and shamed her in the way he'd treated her and one night she snapped when he did something or acted mean to the baby or something. She totally walked.

Wow, I don't remember anything about her, I guess I never use to keep up with the stuff. I agree with you, it' seems like it would go better for her if she wasn't so darn argumentative with the prosecuting attorney, it sounds like she doesn't have a clue about being demure.

Here is a picture of Mary Winkler and one of the shoes in court. She was something else. Does this jog your memory at all? I think it was 7 or 8 years ago that this case was in the news all of the time.

Something about the hooker shoes jogs my memory, is she the one that started this trend? :D I'm the type that probably thought she was innocent. It took me a long time before I could believe that people are as bad as they are or that they can lie.

Haha. I had seen hooker shoes before but everybody wasn't wearing them back then, just a few trendy types.

I probably would have believed her until I heard all of the financial fraud and things she'd been into with banks and they had called her in and were going to tell her husband, a popular preacher in that town, and have him come in for a sit down is how the story goes now that I'm thinking back. I don't think the banks had actually reported her to the D.A. or anything yet. The day she found out they were going to call him is the night he died, if I'm remembering right. She knew that she was going to have to face up to what she had done as that preacher couldn't face the bank board of directors and security and just wipe it all away. But she said that was only coincidence that he died that night(actually I think it was early the next morning) and he was shot because he threatened or talked harshly or threateningly to one of the girls that night and she just shot him. Or he kicked her or something. She can remember all of that. Then she unplugged the telephone and left him on the floor to die without help. And hit the road with all 3 girls - didn't call 911 or turn herself in. Police found him bled out and the unplugged phone nearby. Said she remembered nothing of shooting him in the back or leaving him to die or unplugging the phone. But she got off with mental issues. Jury totally bought it.

If I were innocent I'd want you on the jury, but not so much if I were guilty! ;)

The first pic is the gallery behind the defense stand...you'll see Jodi's Mom in either that red shirt (leaning over, talking in the ear of the man) -or- she is the one next to the red shirt lady. Her Mom is a twin, so it's hard to tell which is which. That may be her Dad too, but I can't quite tell; he has been in the gallery a couple times.

The second pic is the gallery behind the prosecution and that's Travis' 2 sisters and 1 brother (I believe he has 5 or so siblings...?); the sister on the left, I believe, is a police officer. Their parents are dead, they were both meth addicts...so sad. Given all of their terrible childhoods, they've all survived amazingly well.

That's interesting; I guess the people I thought were spectators who seemed to be animated and amused by the whole thing are her family. The people I thought were very involved and interested, are his family. I guess I need to start at the beginning and here the first part of the trial. I already had a bad dream about the case and dreamt my dogs Joey and Ralphie wanted a mistrial. I get too involved in these cases.

LOL - Joey and Ralphie are even involved :D!

I don't usually see this much of a trial, but this one is so interesting. I almost think it's impossible that 1 or 2 jurors won't be utterly seduced by her skilled lying and good public speaking skills. This week should be very interesting with the redirect, the recross, AND the jury questions. The jury questions could imply quite a bit.

Btw, the gas can thing in terms of pre-meditation: the reason the cans were believed to speak to pre-med is bc she filled them up before leaving Cali -- and it is believed that, in addition to turning OFF her cell phone upon nearing AZ - that she would also make sure to not purchase any gas or anything by credit card etc. Instead, she'd use the gas cans to fill her car up as she traveled within AZ and from AZ. Therefore, there would be no record of her ever being in AZ during the time of the murder (remember, in her 1st story, she said she was never even IN Mesa at the time of the murder). Instead, her claim of taking *only* a trip to Utah to see that Ryan guy would be believable and supportable. Interesting, eh?

Okay, I was thinking that the gas cans meant she was going to burn the place, and that she panicked, but then I finally heard some testimony that she didn't want a paper trail, it does prove premedication, along with the thief from Grandpa's house of a gun. Would anyone believe that she did this to save money on gas? I have a feeling Jodi thought she was so much smarter than everyone else, I think she probably was a smart girl, but obviously NOT that smart.

Is it on tv live or are you watching it on the web?

If seen a lot of the trial and from what I have seen, that women if "coo coo for co co puffs" .... She will hopefully get convicted of this horrible crime she is charged with.

Right now I'm watching her attorney question her.....I can't take is flat monotone voice when her pitches questions to her!......I was trying to find some info on how long they dated, from what I can find it was maybe year, there was a couple breakups so it hard to tell.

Amen to the gas cans. Why in the world would you go off grid and drive with gas cans filled with gas unless you didn't want anyone to know where you were and leave a paper trail in Arizona and turn up with brown hair? And the fact that the rented car she did make the trip in had to be any color than red and not as easily noticed. That just speaks pre-planning to me but after O.J. and Casey Anthony, I know certain juries can be totally swayed by many things and find other interpretations.

I feel sorry for that jury. I cannot stand listening to her .. but I can change the channel. How any one of them could feel sorry for her is just out of the scope of my imagination. But..yeah...after the other freak trials we have witnessed, anything can happen.

Oh, I'm like you. I tried listening some Wed. or Thurs. last week but just couldn't stomach it for long. They weren't bleeping much and it was sickening - as is the defendant. What a wretched human being! I hope she doesn't get off with so very little time it makes a mockery of our criminal justice system - again. So many of the high-profile trials don't seem to end in much justice for the victim(s) unless there is a video tape of the defendant actually breaking the law and those are awfully hard to come by.

Sadly, even a video won't convince a bleeding heart. :(

It's on CNNHL (CNN Headline News). If you have Cox here, it's channel 38. It starts around 10-10:30am and goes allllllllllll day. If you tape it, at least you can skip the commercials. I believe you can also watch it streaming online though - maybe at CNNHL or at 'TruTv' (if that's the network that has 'In Session', which also covers big trials.

I know...like anyone would believe she'd lug around two gas cans to save money..??? Also, why wouldja save money buying gas in CALI!!?? Pretty sure it's more there, isn't it, than Utah - where she was supposedly going. And YES, she really did think she was going to outsmart anyone and everyone - so arrogant.

I know, her affect is so flat - even when she talks about things that would turn most of us into a sobbing puddle. She really seems an overall numb person. Yes, they dated about a year, and then afterward they still hung out, traveled, and were intimate.

I think if *anyone* feels for her, it will be a woman on the jury who happens to have been thru a relationship where she felt used and emotionally abused and neglected by a man. Given her meek act, how well spoken she is (flatness aside), her size, and yes - her 'looks'....I can see that one juror holding out for her.

I think if the jury gets hung up on anything -- it will be 1) lack of undeniable proof of pre-meditation and (on the flip side) 2) lack of indication of TRUE self defense on the day of the murder. Even when Jodi says "I was in fear for my life that day" -- it's like she's saying "I crossed the street that day"...it's just so....so nothing. People who kill in self defense almost always feel just horrible, sinking guilt and fear - even though it was to save themselves.

Yes, that's a good point, she still hasn't shown me any sadness or remorse over doing this. I heard that the deepest wound was into Travis's heart, that's significant. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Thanks for the tip on CNNHL, I had checked it several times, but I guess it was at the wrong times. I heard last night one of Travis’ friends say that he was like the 40 year old virgin, and he thought that Jodi brought this side of him out. Jodi herself says she wasn’t enjoying many of the acts, but she just wanted to please him, this makes me think she just wanted to control him. I guess I'm not equating that with abuse, and I'll be shocked if jurors do.

Did anyone see this? Written about a month before Travis died. He was writing a book and had given lots of thought on the subject of marriage, and what he wanted in a wife. Travis Alexander's Being Better Blog

There's a lot more, but my point is that he was looking for a wife, and when Jodi found out she didn't meet his criteria, she was enraged.

By the way, if I were a juror, I want to know how she defines "unconditional love."