You know, I'm not sure it was premeditated. I'm not sure if she just knocked her out to party and it was too much and she died, that may be the case.
What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is how her attorney throws out to the world that her dad and brother sexually abused her, and the dad dumps the body, but they are supporting her. I really don't get that. How is it the father and brother would not be outraged that someone is alleging such horrendous acts?? It makes no sense unless there is something seriously disturbing being covered up.
Maybe when she discovered the child dead, she did tell them at the time and they helped cover it up and now they are trying to avoid something coming back on them.
Why on earth are they testifying about baby showers and stuff surrounding her birth! What does this have to do with her death:confused:

That blows my mind too, my guess, is the attorney is blaming it on himself, and says that this is Casey only chance. otherwise the state of Florida will execute her and we need her to sound sympathetic. There are so many things about this case that blow my mind! I don't think the family tried to cover it up, if you listen to Cindy on the three 911 calls, you really learn when she learned that Casey was actually missing.

I really think the defense should have gone for some type of insanity plea, she does seem to be living in a different reality than everyone else, and that would have been so easy to prove.

About the shower thing, the defense tried to show that grandma was so embarrassed about the out of wedlock child that she didn't have the shower until after the baby was born, but son says "no, it's because the baby was early."

This is solely my opinion- so please only take it as that. In my experience, people have trouble understanding that people are not either ALL GOOD or ALL BAD. This is often exemplified when people commit horrendous acts, and then you have people interviewed on TV saying "I had no idea she/he was capable of this, they were always so nice..." or a very contemporary example when Angelina Jolie was viewed like a homewrecker because Brad and Jennifer Aniston ended their relationship and then subsequently Brad and Angelina started dating. Her humanitarian efforts were undervalued (by the masses) as something a guilty person does (when in fact she was involved in many humanitarian issues way before her supposed affair with Brad). What I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that people have a hard time accepting that a callous murderer MIGHT have had good times with her daughter (i.e., baby showers, pictures with her daughter etc) because how can someone who doesn't care about their daughter do such things? I'm not saying that everyone is like this, it's just something I've realized about most people I've come across...people that do good things can't possibly be bad, right? And vice versa people that do bad things can't be good, right? As always we need to think of the good vs bad thing in terms of a continuum and not a dichotomy...and I think that listing "normal" things and events such as baby showers might put Casey into the "good" category and take her out of the "bad" one...if that makes sense? Sorry for the rant.

But her mom testified that she did have a shower planned before and had to change the date.
I have heard that 911 call. Maybe the father knew, and not the mother. Do you think that is possible, or the brother?
Yes, I guess they could have spun an insanity plea. I think the whole family has issues.

This discussion on here is as exciting as the trial! I agree w some points mentioned. I also am not sure it was a premeditated act of murder. Maybe a premeditated act of sedating a child or ducttaping her and placing her in trunk as a babysitter, and then child died as consequence. I would like to see her spend life in jail, subject to getting along w other inmates.

I see what you are saying. I know if I were on the jury though I would not be swayed by events 2-3 years earlier. I think bad people can have good moments and vice versa. But it would not impact whether I thought she killed her child because she had a baby shower.

This is a very good site: LIVE STREAM: Testimony Resumes In Casey Anthony Trial - Watch It Here Live | Radar Online. In between testimony, they bring viewers up to speed.

Lost train of thought, sorry. I also agree, ppl are not completely bad or good. We see it in abuse cases. The parent or spouse can be quite loving at times and then at other times quite sadistic. I also agree that they should have used an insanity plea. I think there are quite a few points that could add up to a serious personality disorder, at the least. I think you must be able to prove though that she had been so psychiatrically ill at the time of the murder that she did not know right from wrong. I think sociopaths have some conscience of right and wrong, they can just justify an ends to means because the act in the long run will benefit them.

Yes, the drowning makes no sense. As tragic as it is, drownings occur all the time. Parents are not typically prosecuted for accidental drownings. So the fact that you would not call police/911, and instead dump the child in the woods if it was in fact an accident is bizarre. So it's just not believable.
It's like they are throwing several defenses out there to see what sticks.

Yes I agree that the mother testified the shower was to be earlier, this testimony was for the brother to collaborate what the mother had said, and that is that "they welcomed the baby openly." The defense attorney had been trying to show that parents were ashamed of the baby, so this worked against defense.

I thought about the father too, but if you remember he was an former police officer, don't you think he would have been able to hide the baby so it would have never been found? Also, why would he tell police officers that the car smelled like it had a dead body in it? Furthermore, why would he have helped her, knowing the law, if indeed it was accidental, and she came clean right away, she probably wouldn't have been in that much trouble, however, waiting, makes it look like murder.

On the side bar they just said that the defense attorneys asked Casey twice to wear a wire to try and get proof that her parents knew about the drowning, she refused to do it. Did she refuse because she wants to protect her parents, heck no, that’s obvious, she refused because she knew they didn’t know about any drowning. (My opinion only.)

Please feel free to add my name to the end of your posts because I completely agree with everything you type. ;)

I feel like the defense goes in circles trying to make points and then then end up not making any sense. Here's the most recent that I am talking about.....they (Casey and Cindy) kicked George out of the home breifly because he was in a rage (their words) and was demanding that Casey tell them where Kaylee was. Oddly, Cindy told him to leave and she continued to clean the house and act nice to Casey because she felt she would get more answers this way. Then, defense is trying to tie George to the duct tape today by interviewing a woman that said she witnessed him putting up flyers and using the tape. None of it makes sense and I think it makes the defense team look like they are desperate. If George truly knew what had happened why is it that he was upset, to the point of being told to move out for a while??

It was a volunteer member of the Texas Equus Search team they asked. They first wanted her to put a bug in a lampshade or something in the Anthony home and she wouldn't. Then they asked her to wear a wire. She said (according to the witness) that she would have to ask her husband. She then refused to wear a wire.

It is just me, or does the brother Lee seem a little on the over-emotional and totally odd side? I just cannot see my brother carrying on like that because of my pregnancy!!! And I don't think one of my uncles would come unwrapped because of my mother's pregnancy the way that guy did because they weren't told about it or weren't "included"! That guy is strange!!!

And I still do not see any evidence that the child died in an accident but am seeing a very clear picture of how it could be foul play!

Husband? I was talking about Casey not Cindy. Casey's defense team asked Casey to wear a wire, and she refused. There may have been others asked, I"m just talking about what was talked about today. This was talked about during a side bar, the jury didn't hear it.

Geez, I thought that was strange too. It does seem very odd that a brother would react that way.
I think the whole family is strange actually!

Thanks for keeping us updated because I got lost a long time ago.

I wasn't talking about Cindy. The person asked to wear a wire etc was allegedly a member of the Texas Equus Search team. I didn't see any other mention of wires. The defense asked one of the witnesses if he knew a person (Linda something or other?) then the prosecution objected and they had a sidebar. When they came back and continued questioning the guy (a detective) it was about this woman who was with Texas Equus search. They aksed the detective about the wire he or a colleague had asked her to plant in a lampshade or something in the Anthony home. The detective said she wouldn't do it, they then asked her about wearing a wire and she said she would have to talk to her husband. Defense asked if she agreed to wear a wire and the detective said she didn't agree.

kinda starting to pay attention to this now. catching up on everything all of a sudden i want to care somehow. from reading you're comments i think it's possible that the whole family is whack and all in on it somehow. i don't know but i know it's foul foul play and NOT an accident.

I think you are think about something different than I'm talking about.

Here’s the jailhouse interview where Casey first hears someone speculates it could be drowning and look how she and the family react. If it indeed had been drowning wouldn’t there be some kind of sign? I really think her family seem very normal. Anyway, I'm sure it wasn't a drowning.

I think the family seems normal as well....I just think that Casey has been SOOOOOOO spoiled and she also could have mental illness as well. Maybe she has been babied and overindulged because her parents have seen that she has issues so they babied her. I don't know :confused:

If Cindy Anthony's work records had showed she was home and she had told the same story in her deposition then I would believe her story about the google searches.
Also, her story doesn't even make sense. Her Yorkies were eating bamboo leaves and she thought maybe that was the reason that the small one was tired all the time so she googled "Chlorophyll"?? Wouldn't you type something like, "Bamboo leaves toxic to dogs". She then said that led her to search "Chloroform" because she knows that some species of algae and seaweed produce natural forms of Chloroform... huh? If you remember, the search for Chloroform was spelled ChlorAform. She knows about natural forms of chloroform being in algae and seaweed but doesn't even know how to spell it? Who would I see more like to misspell a word... the nurse or the high school dropout??? Hmmm. (Actually, in a diary entry, Casey spelled "Beginning" like "Begining".. so apparently, that something she wasn't great at).

Lee Anthony's emotion's seemed kinda fake but if it was real I could kinda understand. I think he's sad that he missed out on important parts of Caylee's life (like her birth) and he's upset because now she's gone and there won't be anymore moments.



The defenses story still has MANY holes in it that they have to explain. They have absolutely no proof of the molestation accusations (which they say explains Casey's odd behavior). I mean the girl went to Blockbuster the evening of the 16th.. "Welp, Caylee drowned in the pool... who wants to see a movie?" Please. They are trying to say that Roy Kronk had possession of the body for a couple of months... how the heck did he get it?

I could absolutely buy that her death was accidental if she didn't act so carefree after her daughter was dead. When a parent loses a child in a tragic accident, they have horrible grief about it. Going dancing at a club would be the farthest thing from their mind. People who are molested as children STILL have feelings. I could possibly see her being emotionLESS but she seemed happy and like she didn't have a care in the world.

I think Casey killed her daughter but her family believes it was an accident so they are trying to clean up her mess like they have always done by lying for her.

Edit: Oh, Casey underwent psychological evaluation and was determined to have no psychological issues. However, I do think she has some sort of personality disorder

I couldn't agree more. Good post.

So, the trial resumed this morning, and within 45 minutes the judge recessed until Monday morning. I missed the beginning, only turned it on as the judge was announcing the recess.
Watching the commentators it appears that the defense called a witness, the prosecution objected, they had a sidebar, then the judge called the recess.
Some commentators are speculating whether there is going to be a plea bargain at this stage.

With this trial, nothing would surprise me. I am just SO hoping that dad is not going to say that she drowned. That family has been working so hard this week to get this girl off. :(

Ok they hadn't even called the witness. They were supposed to call Kenneth Furton as the first witness. (He's a chemistry expert).

I feel so sorry for the jurors having to be sequestered all this time. Looks like they are not going to be home for the 4th July holiday.

I agree with many of your conclusions, and I’m very suspicious of the Cindy’s new bamboo story, and her following searches. Did you notice the neighbor who said Casey asked to borrow a shovel, said that Casey said it was for "Bamboo?" Apparently, there was special permission granted to allow her parents in for the whole trial, since they were also witnesses. Cindy has been taken copious notes, I wonder if she heard the neighbor say “bamboo” and now she is embellishing her story to make it all sound related?

Also, whoever did the internet searches also tried to erase them, why would Cindy do this? She didn't even know what type of browser she had or what a browser was.

Can't the prosecution bring up all these points when cross examining? Have they brought up these inconsistencies? Sorry, I never get around to watching it so...if it's too much of a pain to explain I understand.