I am sure you are right about that. I did think many times during the trial though that if she were a black woman, most of us would never have heard about her.

You are right.

That stuff about being molested by her father and brother should never have been considered since it was merely mentioned and never proven. I think it is a disgrace that the court allowed that attorney to do that. In my opinion, an attorney should not be allowed to make statements that are prejudicial and not back them up. I hope to God they did not use that as their reason for letting her off.

IF they did, they did not follow the law.

Usually statistics show that blacks and hispanics are more likely to commit a crime. However, these studies ignore income level. When taking income level into account they find that blacks and hispanics are no more likely to commit a crime than whites once you take income level into account. In other words, it is poor people in general who are more likely to be involved in a crime and race/ethnicity has nothing to do with it. That is why it's disturbing to see that blacks/hispanics are more likely to get the death penalty...that's the part that seems biased to me.

Either way, I hope the jurors read online how much they are being flamed.

I think because there was no evidence of it, Baez was not allowed to talk about the alleged rape/incest in his closing arguments. But regardless, I don't think the jury can "un"hear so to speak, what Baez said during court...:rolleyes:

I gotta agree w you again. This was very prejudicial to grant this request. It will probably be something interesting discussed in psychology classes - did facing the jury get them to psychologically connect w her?:rolleyes:

Well she admitted Caylee drowned in the pool amd she should have been supervised so she could not get to the pool alone the fact that she didnt is negligence that she admitted to

Okay about the duct tape. If it were accidental casey could put it on there to look like someone murdered her, Roy Kronk couldve put it there or there was bunches of trash around the area and the duct tape could have came from there and attached it self to the skull. They even said only one tiny piece was even attached to the skull. The duct tape wasnt the smoking gun that would lead me to believe she did it. That was the problem with the evidence it was all circumstantial and there was no smoking gun that lead you to believe Casey did it. The prosecution put forth evidence and the defense would come right back and put holes in their evidence

I don't think she ever told the police that, she may or may not have told her lawyer that, but I’m not sure that’s her story now. Remember when she was talking to parents while in jail, her mom said, “Oh now someone thinks Caylee drowned in a pool”, and Casey said, “It figures”. So at that time she still hadn’t said anything about a drowning, and was still talking about the kidnapping.

The negligence has to be very extreme such as leaving a child home alone, and even then parents don’t get much time. Really, I wish I could believe she is not guilty, I don’t hate her, but I do have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, and I wish it would go away. I really wish I could believe she didn’t do it, I went into this thinking that, I think the media always blows things out of proportion, but I don’t think they did, and I didn't watch that much media, only the actual case on the computer. The case is so bizarre you don’t have to embelish, the facts are bad enough. To me, the fact is a mother should know or be responsible for her child, and have to tell authorities where that child is or will be held accountable. If she had told police where the body was, they might been able to find lots more evidence, such as drugs in the body, or DNA or the duct tape. Has she admitted she hid the body or is she blaming daddy for that too?

Oh I agree with you I believe she did it. I just think the defense proved reasonable doubt that she didnt do it. I really want to hear what the jurors have to say but one of the alternates said she agreed with the verdict and the prosecution didnt prove its case and thats why she felt the verdict went the way it did.

Is it terrible that I plan on following her on the news and hope she falls on her face? I know it's not very nice of me but when I heard the verdict on my computer yesterday I almost threw my computer against the wall. I didn't think I was THAT emotionally invested in the trial until I heard the verdict...that really ripped me to shreds...and also I think what further infuriated me was the fact that a couple of days ago I witnessed a man assaulting a woman outside of my apartment window...and the police didn't get here on time and I wasn't able to get a license plate...I think the helplessness I felt in helping that poor battered woman was amplified when I saw Casey's verdict.

I was just asked on fb to vote yes that I agreed with the jury saying she didn't kill her daughter or no, I don't agree. This was my response. What do you think?

"Not sure how to vote on this. I don't think the jury said she didn't kill her daughter, I think they may be saying that there is not enough evidence to convict. I vote for the jury. Jurys are sequestered and asked not to talk so they do not form opinions before their decision. The media has done nothing but talk and form opinions for months. The media also moves toward sensational, sensational, hype, hype, hype! It is no wonder the public is outraged. I believe Ms. Anthony is not innocent, but beyond that...do we really know what happened?"

Okay, why would Casey want it to look like a murder? Not arguing with you, but I would really like to understand why people think this. To me it's not logical. You don’t get into that much trouble if you child accidently drowns in a pool. It happens all the time here, and they usually don’t even take it to court. Also, how could Kronk get the very same duct tape that her dad has. It was special tape made in very limited quantities and George bought some and kept it in his garage, and they found he used it to hang up flyers and it was on gas can. He would have never used it to hang up flyers if he had used it on the body, as a police officer he knows that duct tape can be traced. So the tape can be connected to Dad and the garage, but not to Kronk. Casey as we know had access to dad's garage, and neighbor told of her backing her care into garage one day when she wanted to borrow the shovel.

Who said there was only one tiny piece of tape left on the skull, I hadn't heard this. If that's true I could more easily understand your point, but from everything I heard there were three pieces on the skull. The reason they had the animated drawing that we weren't allowed to see is so that jurors could see exactly where the tape was placed when Casey still had skin, just seeing it on the skull didn't give them as much information. Prosecutor said mouth, nose and jaw. :confused:

Anyway, I think you have done a great job explaining how the jurors might have thought, and I'm just surprised that there wasn't someone on the jury who would argue these points with them. They just didn't deliberate long enough. I mean, there doesn't have to be a "smoking gun" to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. There doesn't even have to be a body found, most cases are circumstantial, and through logic and reasoning we can deduct the most likely case. So in my opinion, missing child + mom lied = mom’s guilty. Maybe it's too simplistic, but the story the defense gave wasn't at all believable. I’ve known lots of women who were abused as children and it doesn’t make them liars. In fact, she’s also done a great disservice to all those women who were molested as children.

Surprise, surprise. The jurors are beginning to tell their stories, for a price.

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk...letter_TMZ.pdf

Add a few more people to the list of those who's lives are going to be made better by the death of Caylee. I'm so disgusted right now.

Here is the honest truth...I did NOT listen to the media at all. I only really knew about this case much when I heard that it was going to be televised. I started watching it on TV and wanted to know more. I read the transcripts of police interviews, read or watched depositions, and looked at all the evidence that is released via Florida law.

The media hoopla had NOTHING to do with my opinion. I could give a hoot what they say and think. That so many of them are now claiming to have doubt or knew she would be aquatinted just prove that they know nothing!

I feel confident with my opinion because I believe it was based on facts. I was able to read and see a lot more than the jury ever saw.

Anyhow, that is my 2 cents for anyone claiming the media has affected my opinion on this case.

Is that for real???!!!

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!! I said this IMMEDIATELY after I saw that they were not going to participate in the court sponsored media interview.

They have blood on their hands....and they are willing to be paid for it. DISGUSTING.

I thought there were three pieces of duct tape on the skull; one on her mouth, one on her nose and one wrapped all the way around her head.

Cases, including death penalty cases, have been won with only circumstantial evidence (think Scott Peterson).

There is no requirement that the prosecution prove motive, though I believe they did. There is no requirement that the prosecution prove method of death, again, I believe they did.

Several of the jurors were reported to have left their notebooks on their seats, so they didn't even bother to refer to them during deliberations. The alt juror who spoke yesterday alluded to them discussing the case in the evenings away from the courtroom; a big no no.

I'm sorry, but I think the jury failed miserably on this one.

Hmm, not sure why the link isn't working right. Here is the article from TMZ.


One of the jurors in the Casey Anthony trial has decided to go public with his side of the story -- but TMZ has learned, he's not talkin' ... unless the price is right ... and 5-figure offers are already pouring in.



A publicist for the unidentified juror is sending a letter to media outlets, claiming, "Our client -- a married, college-educated, 33-year-old white male with two young children -- is willing to consider granting one or more media interviews so long as the opportunities are paid."

We're told the juror has already received multiple offers from big news operations, including at least one major network.* Sources tell us ... the high offers are in the "mid 5-figures."

Paid interviews are a hazy moral territory for obvious reasons -- and the publicist, Rick French, admits, paying for sit-downs is "always a sticky subject and believe me, I understand the delicacy of this type of negotiation."

But French insists ... sticky or not, his client ain't budging -- "He will not entertain any offers that don't include compensation for a myriad of reasons."

really really sick!! DO CAYLESS JUSTICE! DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THESE MONEY MAKING SCOUNDRELS!!

I wasn't saying that the media has affected anyone's opinion...I watched the trial, googled the info, and listened to the media. I do not believe Casey is innocent. However...the jury did not have the same benefits that we do and was asked to make their decision solely on the info they were given. It apparently was not enought to erase their doubts.

If they made their decision with profit in mind, that is sick. Also profit off of the death of a little girl for whatever reason is also sick. And very sad.

One thing I guess we all agree on is the fact this girl has some real problems. Mental problems. Now she is saying she wants another baby?????? What on earth.

are you freakin kidding me????!??!?! :mad::thumbdown

You know what that means right? Groupthink.

The evidence isn't supposed to erase their doubts, it's supposed to erase REASONABLE doubts. Heck, Bozo could have said that space aliens abducted and murdered Caylee and that jury would have bought it.

Dan Abrahms had a fantastic tweet last night:
There is a real case to be made that this was a not guilty verdict despite the defense team.

I wasn't referring to you specifically. I've just heard lots of people say that people let the media form their opinion. That is definitely not the case for me.

Hmmm....hadn't heard that bit of info. Not good.

I agree. They were NOT supposed to talk about it at all!!! The judge was very clear on that. I do think they talked about it though. The alternate jury was NOT in the deliberation room with them, yet he was really convinced about why they came back with their verdict.