actually, the skull WASN'T opened. It should have been. That's why they are saying the autopsy wasn't done correctly
Caylee Anthony Skull Photos Prove Autopsy was Failure: Werner Spitz
Caylee Anthony's autopsy was 'shoddy' and duct tape said to have suffocated her 'was applied after death' | Mail Online

Expert: Autopsy on Caylee Anthony "shoddy" - CBS News

Also, your information was also not inclusive of Hispanics, which are also minorities. Blacks are not the only minorities.

She's referring to the second man Dr. Werner Spitz who called the first autopsy shoddy. When he opened the skull it did break. This guys been around for a long time, even did the Kennedy autopsy and I was wondering if he's a little bit senile? They asked him if he knew where it was written that it must be opened and there was no protocol for this. I never did understand what the big deal was and it seemed like a red herring to me.

Yes, but most of the women in prison are white. Growing 800% in the last 30 years
And her comment was that it was hard to convict a pretty white woman.

Sorry my stats were outdated. They were from a psychology paper I wrote.
http://www.wpaonline.org/pdf/Quick%2...0CJ_Sept09.pdf

Yes, it was opened. And he broke it.

That's okay. I understand what you are saying- I just want it to be made clear that it's not just a case of who is sitting on death row- but how the people got there in the first place.

Yes, that was my comment, and I stand by it. You will find exceptions of course. But, this is getting a bit off topic in my opinion.

I'm actually trying to find statistics on American Indians. None of the reports include them specifically. They just say other, which would include Asian, European, etc

It was a total red herring. They opened it...broke it...and guess what? They didn't find anything in there. Hmmmm, that is exactly what Dr. G found when she examined it without further desecrating it.

Look, you can find ANYTHING online to support whatever theory you are after. The autopsy was not shoddy. That was a LIE the defense tried to sell.

Gonna give myself a sidebar for the night. Getting upset about this again.

I'm pretty sure European is grouped under Whites. However, you are right I would like to have more information on Asians and Native Americans.

My point is that over half the women in prison are white. Not so hard to convict them if that's the case. The other 44% is combined Hispanic, African American and other. I doubt her being a white female had anything to do with it.
Of the women on death row, 11 were found guilty of killing their kids.
This doesn't even take into consideration the ones in psychiatric hospitals like Andrea Yates and Deena Schlosser, or the ones who took their own lives.
I'm not trying to argue, just found your statement a little racial.

This is really an inappropriate pursuit, IMO. Statistics can be interpreted in so many ways. The raw data you're putting up is very misleading.

Why point out the % of white victims in death penalty cases vs all murders of whites as a %? Obviously, not all murders are death penalty cases. There usually has to be some aggravating factor, such as murder in the commission of another crime.

Also, the comparison of those being executed more often for killing whites than others is misleading. Though there is far more black on black crime as a whole, the conviction rate is less for these crimes often due to lack of cooperation by witnesses.

While racism is not dead, it affects death penalty (really all) cases less than you imply IMO. The biggest factor is money...as in we have the best justice system that money can buy. Defendants relying on Public Defenders are convicted at a much higher rate than those that can afford good council.

I have no idea why this has been brought up, except for the mentioning of Casey being a 'pretty white girl'. OJ was not a pretty white girl, but he had excellent lawyers.

Frankly, I'm a little offended by the mention of all this. It had nothing to do with this trial, so why bring it up?

Well, it may interest you to know that I am not black. I am white/hispanic. That does not mean that I can't see that there is racism in the justice system. Please don't say my comment was racial. It was not and I'd prefer to not have this discussion any further. I am entitled to my opinion just like the rest of us. I'd rather not make it a personal thing. Thank you.

Woogie Man...you're back! Hi!

It was me who said she was a "pretty white woman" and yes, I DO believe that it played into this. This is just my opinion and I am entitled to it just like everyone who does NOT agree with me. I would classify myself as a "somewhat pretty white woman", so I don't think I am being unfair in my opinion.

But, like I said, this is getting off topic and can get emotions going all over the place. I think it would be best if we just dropped it right here. Again, this is just my opinion....take it for what it is worth...which to a lot of people is not a lot!

And yes....I agree MONEY affects trials in an even bigger way than race does. I was just saying that I think it CAN affect cases, and I think it did in this one.

Nuff said from me. :rolleyes:

Hi, Bitsy..yes, I'm back, for better or worse :p.

Really, I just made the 'pretty white woman' comment as a reference as to how it got started with the statistics. I found them to be not credible and slanted. Numbers don't lie, but they can be used to make just about any point one wants to make.

Now don't go testing your theory by getting yourself into trouble. We at YT don't want to have to come bail you out!!

I don't get why people do not understand that circumstantial evidence is the evidence accumulated @ the scene of the circumstance.

People that are depending on a video tape of the crime are just beyond stupid. CSI is a show w/all your results in an hour. I truly think that's what juries are looking for now.

I think she will have to move out of state, even change her looks. Everybody knows her by now.

I don't think presenting statistics is inappropriate. You can go back and read everything that I said so that you don't feel so offended. I didn't disagree with anything the previous poster said, again if you had read. I copy pasted certain parts of the statistics because I wanted to emphasize certain points that I wanted to discuss with another poster...if I wanted to not provide all of the statistics presented there I could have simply not provided the link. If you go back a couple of posts, you would have read that I pleaded that my comments regarding race/ethnicity not offend anyone I wanted other people's input, which many people respectfully provided. Another poster provided statistics from 1997 and all I said was that it was outdated and I provided her with a more recent link that provides more recent figures, and I pointed out a statistics that I think is important to consider when evaluating it.

I would also like to add that I'm in a PhD program in which our research is solely based on statistical analysis and I know very well that statistics can be interpreted in different ways. Quite frankly I'm offended that you didn't read all of my posts before saying that what I brought up was "innapropriate" because I took great care into asking and making sure people understand what I was asking/why I was asking and that I meant to not offend anyone.

I would also like to add that I spend A LOT of my free time petitioning different cases brought up by Amnesty International. One that was very important was that of Troy Davis a man who was convicted a police officer in 1991 who remains two decades letter on death row even though the evidence for his conviction has completely fallen apart. Troy Davis | Amnesty International USA

And no, I am not saying that this is the average case on death row. By far Troy Davis is the exception, but I feel completely entitled to stand up for what I believe in and what I've spent many hours of my free time working on and researching. So I'm sorry if I've apparently offended someone.

Yeah, I'll try to stay out of trouble! :rolleyes: A jury of my peers would HAVE to come from the YT community...so at least I would get a fair trial. ;)

roseylovestosho, this is a topic that can get a lot of emotions going. (Trust me, I know...I can see myself falling on both sides at times!) I do recall you saying you didn't want to offend anyone, and please know you have not offended me. We are all entitled to our opinions, when the topic is a sensitive one, emotions can get high. Like my own! :rolleyes: Please don't let your feelings be hurt. I think it might be best to move on from that topic.

Back to Casey Anthony....her hearing is tomorrow to see what her sentence will be. My HOPE is that Judge Perry doesn't cut her ANY slack.

She could get up to a year for each offense, so that would be 4 years. She's already served 3 years, but a lot of that was because of her felony convictions for check fraud (stealing from her best friend.) I hope that he gives her four years...at least she would have to serve about another year.

They are speculating that she will get four years (served consecutively, so really just ONE year :mad: ) and since she's already served nearly that they will give her the rest off for 'good behavior.'

Judge Perry is pretty heavy handed when it comes to sentencing, from what I've heard. I just hope there aren't any loop holes Baez is able to pull her through. But, my hopes aren't real high. She'll probably walk free tomorrow. Disgusting!!

Have to add...the "time off for good behavior" always bothers me. There aren't a lot of children to murder in jail, so yeah, I guess she's been "good." :thumbdown:thumbdown

Thank you for considering my feelings. Because they were hurt pretty badly. I'm just unsubscribing from this thread. Today has just been an awful day all together. On top of everything that has happened this week with Casey Anthony, the woman I saw get beat up outside of my apartment window, and tonight I just found out that my elderly neighbor's husband with dementia passed away...AND I have to take Teddy to the opthamologist tomorrow and hope everything goes well and they can finally figure out what is wrong with him. I just need a break from everything and need to think positive thoughts because I am just completely devastated...so I'm just going to excuse myself from this thread. Goodnight all.

I think it is great that you do this. It is AWFUL that anyone innocent goes to jail. There is a saying I've heard...it's better for 9 guilty to go free than one innocent to go to jail. That really made me think. As much as I have been (and still am) angry at our justice system (over Casey getting off), it is slanted in favor of the defendants for a reason. Unfortunately, even then sometimes the innocent get convicted. But, that is probably a conversation for another day! LOL!

Oh I'm so sorry. What an awful week. :( I'll be thinking of Teddy and hoping it all goes well. God bless you!!!!!

I apologize if I did anything to hurt your feelings. It was not my intention.

:thumbup:Back to jail!:thumbup:

For like a month. I guess it is better than NOTHING, but not much.
I WISH the judge wouldn't have let her have credit for the time she served for the felony charges. But, whatever, this whole thing has not been fair, why should it be different now?

Less than 30 DAYS for murdering her daughter. Disgusting.