I am ANGRY

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by rik20101

If I boycotted every store who sold something I hated/disagreed with/ found disturbing....well, I would be making everything I ever needed in life and growing the materials myself. I will still buy from Amazon and I will continue to purchase products on my kindle.

At first I thought I would not boycott them when I read they had removed the one book. But this is not just a dislike or a pet peeve. It is something SO WRONG that no one should eve think about helping advocate it. An instruction manual on how adults can sexually abuse children???? How can that be right? I still wonder how it can be legal. They have charged people for their internet sites when they were encouraging violence "inciting a riot" and found it is against the law -- so why not this. I just think I personally have to start drawing some lines in the sand.

I won't boycott every company that does something I dislike. For many subjects, I very much respect their right to disagree and feel like they have just as much right to their opinion as I do -- BUT NOT THIS! I feel like I have stood around silently on too many issues and things are definately getting out of hand. If no one ever draws that line and says "NO I am not going along with this," then there will be no end to the downward spiral. I do not expect all people to have the same values, ethics, morals, or religion as I do. But I do expect all people to respect the rights and bodies of others, especially children. I'll watch, if they remove the others too, then I will consider doing business. That way I feel even though the company has no morality, at least it is responsive to the majority. We need to start wielding our financial sword to get some of these companies to clean up their act. It might be a small step but it is at least in the right direction.

I do respect the rights of others to make different choices though and I'm only explaining why I am going to do this -- not trying to make you change your mind.

[nana911]

Sadly, Amazon is just the end outlet for the product. The business of purchasing, advertising, producing etc... is so interwoven with so many businesses involved that Amazon is not the only business that is responsible for selling this particular item. They are standing by freedom of speech and freedom of choice. Some will choose to no longer buy from Amazon and that is their right. Some can simply choose to not buy this particular product and that is their right. Some can choose to track down every particular business that Amazon is affiliated with and not do business with any of them and that is their right. I choose to continue to purchase from Amazon but not this particular product. No different than renting videos from Netflix but not renting from their vast collection of available hard core porn.

I've always had a theory. In the Garden of Eden God put a tree called the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. He told Adam and Eve that they could eat the fruit from any tree in the garden except that tree. That tree they were not to touch. Of course, they were tempted, they ate from that tree and here we are. I believe that were we to have that warning today, there is a faction of people that would bulldoze the tree down, build a wall around the tree, do whatever it would take to make the tree and fruit totally inaccessible to anyone. Their solution would be to remove the option completely. Obviously that was not God's reasoning. He put the tree there for anybody to be able to access with nothing but a warning for a reason. He wants us to exercise choice. In order to exercise choice we have to have options available. Gotta take the bad with the good. Just my theory.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Yep, read this:

'Pedophile Guide' Author Confident E-Book Will Be Back on Amazon - FoxNews.com

To quote a lawyer from this linked story:
"I know they're sitting on their First Amendment rights, saying they have a right to do so, but your First Amendment rights end when they infringe upon mine," she said. "And what about the rights of the children that pedophiles attack? Who's looking out for them?"

[mojo]

Originally Posted by nana911

Sadly, Amazon is just the end outlet for the product. The business of purchasing, advertising, producing etc... is so interwoven with so many businesses involved that Amazon is not the only business that is responsible for selling this particular item. They are standing by freedom of speech and freedom of choice. Some will choose to no longer buy from Amazon and that is their right. Some can simply choose to not buy this particular product and that is their right. Some can choose to track down every particular business that Amazon is affiliated with and not do business with any of them and that is their right. I choose to continue to purchase from Amazon but not this particular product. No different than renting videos from Netflix but not renting from their vast collection of available hard core porn.

I've always had a theory. In the Garden of Eden God put a tree called the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. He told Adam and Eve that they could eat the fruit from any tree in the garden except that tree. That tree they were not to touch. Of course, they were tempted, they ate from that tree and here we are. I believe that were we to have that warning today, there is a faction of people that would bulldoze the tree down, build a wall around the tree, do whatever it would take to make the tree and fruit totally inaccessible to anyone. Their solution would be to remove the option completely. Obviously that was not God's reasoning. He put the tree there for anybody to be able to access with nothing but a warning for a reason. He wants us to exercise choice. In order to exercise choice we have to have options available. Gotta take the bad with the good. Just my theory.

Netflix does not have a vast collection of hard core porn - or any other kind of porn -

Note: We do not carry X-rated or mature titles.

[nana911]

My mistake on that point. Thank you for pointing that out. But some people do avail themselves of rentals at their neighborhood video rentals and do not go into the 'little rooms' that do carry porn. I also get my gasoline at gas stations that sell magazines that I don't wish to purchase. I think you understand the general idea of what I was saying.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by nana911

My mistake on that point. Thank you for pointing that out. But some people do avail themselves of rentals at their neighborhood video rentals and do not go into the 'little rooms' that do carry porn. I also get my gasoline at gas stations that sell magazines that I don't wish to purchase. I think you understand the general idea of what I was saying.

I do understand, HOWEVER, what you are comparing, while morally objectionable to some, are LEGAL ADULT activities. Same cannot be said by the trash being listed by amazon.

[nana911]

I absolutely understand your side of the equation. It's like the 'anarchist's cookbook'. A lot of people objected to that being available because it taught how to build simple bombs. I find the subject matter of all these books that are being discussed reprehensible. They sicken me. And while the end result, if followed through, of the pedophile book and the cookbook are illegal, the basic content and sales of them is not illegal. Unfortunately, it does fall under the umbrella of freedom of speech.

The only good that can come of this, is that maybe the feds can track the purchasers of this item and add to their database of potential abusers.

[Reese1]

So will everyone still shop at Borders & Barnes & Nobles?
I wonder how only this book came to light on Amazon, but not these other titles with these stores.
I do think people should take stands, the only way a company really cares to make a change is if it hits them in the wallet, bottom line!
I think what is difficult about Amazon is how they are connected and interwoven with tons and tons of other stores, retailers, etc... What about all those companies that sell through Amazon?

[manolos mom]

I have a friend who is a Director with Amazon. Will give him a shout today. Yes! I will boycott until this is made Right. We need to find the Root of the problem and send out letters. Numbers = Results

[mojo]

Originally Posted by nana911

I absolutely understand your side of the equation. It's like the 'anarchist's cookbook'. A lot of people objected to that being available because it taught how to build simple bombs. I find the subject matter of all these books that are being discussed reprehensible. They sicken me. And while the end result, if followed through, of the pedophile book and the cookbook are illegal, the basic content and sales of them is not illegal. Unfortunately, it does fall under the umbrella of freedom of speech.

The only good that can come of this, is that maybe the feds can track the purchasers of this item and add to their database of potential abusers.

There was a story on msn yesterday about other available titles at amazon, but I never got around to reading it and it is gone now.
I just don't get why these stores would sell this filth. Clearly it disturbs the normal shopper and they are going to lose more business and money then they would gain from the small number of scum who would purchase such trash so I am left wondering why they would sell it and what good business sense it would make?
I also find it upsetting that something like 300 copies were sold prior to this book being taken down. I have to think (and hope) that most of that was new agencies who wanted to read the contents of the book.?. and report on it, but ended up supporting the idiot who wrote it.

[mojo]

Oops, sorry, I quoted the wrong person in my above response.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Reese1

So will everyone still shop at Borders & Barnes & Nobles?
I wonder how only this book came to light on Amazon, but not these other titles with these stores.
I do think people should take stands, the only way a company really cares to make a change is if it hits them in the wallet, bottom line!
I think what is difficult about Amazon is how they are connected and interwoven with tons and tons of other stores, retailers, etc... What about all those companies that sell through Amazon?

I found the other story. So disturbing I didn't even read the whole thing.

More trouble for Amazon, this time with photos - Technology & science - Security - msnbc.com

[kjc]

I don't buy from pet stores that sell animals.

I don't buy cosmetics from companies that test their products on animals.

I don't buy jeans or shoes or clothing from companies that use child labor.

I don't buy coffee or coconut oil from companies whose farming practices destroy the environment.

I don't buy products that contain anything that comes from whales.

I am trying my best to stay out of WalMart because I don't like the way they compensate their employees, and the horrible effect their huge stores have on the surrounding businesses.

I don't watch or support Major League Baseball anymore because of the steroid controversy.

I have lost all respect for Michael Phelps because he was/is stupid enough to smoke marijuana, and I do not buy products from companies that endorse him.

I pay extra for my electricity to make green energy available to the 'grid'.

I recycle, I don't litter, I pick up other people's litter.

I won't buy from Amazon, Barnes & Nobles, nor Borders anymore, because they sell books that may cause more children to be sexually abused, and offers books that cater to Holocaust deniers and other hate groups, as well as graphic dog fighting and cock fighting videos.

Yes, people need to be allowed to make choices, but, to me, that's like having an AA Meeting in a bar. And it doesn't specify ages, just 'children'. I may be oversensitive because an arrest was made in my neighborhood just last week of some animal that chose to have sex with an infant...
How many children do we sacrifice before we say 'Enough' and stop allowing people who think with their genitals instead of their 'brains' to make decisions that have definite negative impacts on innocent children and babies?

[cally930]

Originally Posted by nana911

Sadly, Amazon is just the end outlet for the product. The business of purchasing, advertising, producing etc... is so interwoven with so many businesses involved that Amazon is not the only business that is responsible for selling this particular item. They are standing by freedom of speech and freedom of choice. Some will choose to no longer buy from Amazon and that is their right. Some can simply choose to not buy this particular product and that is their right. Some can choose to track down every particular business that Amazon is affiliated with and not do business with any of them and that is their right. I choose to continue to purchase from Amazon but not this particular product. No different than renting videos from Netflix but not renting from their vast collection of available hard core porn.

I've always had a theory. In the Garden of Eden God put a tree called the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. He told Adam and Eve that they could eat the fruit from any tree in the garden except that tree. That tree they were not to touch. Of course, they were tempted, they ate from that tree and here we are. I believe that were we to have that warning today, there is a faction of people that would bulldoze the tree down, build a wall around the tree, do whatever it would take to make the tree and fruit totally inaccessible to anyone. Their solution would be to remove the option completely. Obviously that was not God's reasoning. He put the tree there for anybody to be able to access with nothing but a warning for a reason. He wants us to exercise choice. In order to exercise choice we have to have options available. Gotta take the bad with the good. Just my theory.

I must say............I found your analogy very, very insightful.

Thanks for posting.

[cally930]

Originally Posted by kjc

I don't buy from pet stores that sell animals.

I don't buy cosmetics from companies that test their products on animals.

I don't buy jeans or shoes or clothing from companies that use child labor.

I don't buy coffee or coconut oil from companies whose farming practices destroy the environment.

I don't buy products that contain anything that comes from whales.

I am trying my best to stay out of WalMart because I don't like the way they compensate their employees, and the horrible effect their huge stores have on the surrounding businesses.

I don't watch or support Major League Baseball anymore because of the steroid controversy.

I have lost all respect for Michael Phelps because he was/is stupid enough to smoke marijuana, and I do not buy products from companies that endorse him.

I pay extra for my electricity to make green energy available to the 'grid'.

I recycle, I don't litter, I pick up other people's litter.

I won't buy from Amazon, Barnes & Nobles, nor Borders anymore, because they sell books that may cause more children to be sexually abused, and offers books that cater to Holocaust deniers and other hate groups, as well as graphic dog fighting and cock fighting videos.

Yes, people need to be allowed to make choices, but, to me, that's like having an AA Meeting in a bar. And it doesn't specify ages, just 'children'. I may be oversensitive because an arrest was made in my neighborhood just last week of some animal that chose to have sex with an infant...
How many children do we sacrifice before we say 'Enough' and stop allowing people who think with their genitals instead of their 'brains' to make decisions that have definite negative impacts on innocent children and babies?

I was very intrigued on first reading your post, and by the end, felt very ill to my stomach.

You just want to grab your kids and keep them close.

So sad.................