sorry to say as well...

[ArmaniMan]

Well I am not a breeder and certainly not a member of any special YT group, since I am fairly new myself and while I am not going to touch most of your post.

There is a HUGE difference between a good/reputable breeder and a BYB and it is not something they deem themselves... there are ways to determine and prove which type of breeder someone is from the outside.

[BaxtersMommy]

I am most certain that MANY of us will never agree and that is OK.

Just have some compassion. No, I am not talking about breeding a rescue dog and mistreating it. Obviously that is wrong. We are adults, we should know when enough is enough.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Lol, you are funny! Sending love your way!!
I know I'm not elite! That's ok!

thank you and BACK AT YA !

I guess not being a breeder or outspoken puts us out of the Elite club ?

I just wish some of the newer people would see the many many supportive posts and take them for what they are - we're always going to see drama but after being here so long - the drama is really few and far between the informative and NICE posts I've read in all these years

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by red98vett

thank you and BACK AT YA !

I guess not being a breeder or outspoken puts us out of the Elite club ?

I just wish some of the newer people would see the many many supportive posts and take them for what they are - we're always going to see drama but after being here so long - the drama is really few and far between the informative and NICE posts I've read in all these years

You should be the QUEEN of the Elite club with your number of posts. hehe

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

as a fairly new member of YT, i hae never in my life (ironically) seen such catty-ness (however that is spelled, or if it's a word).

i have been participating in online discussions for over 10 years, and this is one of the most judgemental forums i've ever experienced. at first i thought it was just me and i'd hit a nerve, but after looking around -it seems as if most "newbies" feel the same.

god FORBID someone use the word "teacup" or ask a question about breeding. it seems as if there is some elite group here, or so "they" think.

yes, i realize "teacup" isn't recognized by the AKC - save it.

the point is - people who come here, come here for a reason. they come here because they love yorkies. it's a major turn off when they immediately get corrected in a smart aleck tone - whatever the question/comment may be.

all breeders (aka the elite/judgemental group) started out somewhere - unless you were just born knowing everything! did you magically appear in the ring? did the yorkie god knight you?

furthermore, who are you to judge? when someone comes on here asking a question about breeding - who are YOU to judge? did every breeder not start at the bottom? did every breeder not have to make that first purchase?

realistically, anyone who breeds had to buy A (as in ONE) dog to begin with, correct? from there, they had to buy another (of the opposite sex) in order to breed - right? did you know at that point everything there is to know? oh, of course you did, because you had attended shows and had a mentor. a mentor who was not a BYB - deemed by none other than YOURSELF.

BACKYARD breeder - that's the word of the day here! if someone has a question then they must be a backyard breeder or just trying to make a profit!

by the way, what is a backyard breeder vs. an ethical breeder? oh, wait, i know - an ethical breeder does it to improve the breed and the backyard breeder does it for money. HELLO! all pups are sold for money! this is the internet - anyone can come on here and say, "i show my dogs. they are champions. i do it to preserve the blood lines." so, a backyard breeder is someone who has a kennel outside and a ethical breeder has pups in a playpen in their bedroom? oh, no, it's not location, but intent - right? i've seen pictures of pups from "the best/most knowledgable breeders" in their living quarters aka playpens/crates - whatever. i've seen people who have had "accidental pups" (aka backyard breeders) with living conditions that look exactly the same!!!

whether you are a BYB or an ethical breeder is a matter of opinion - self opinion!

i could've easily come on here pretending to be whoever i wanted to be - as could anyone else. people ask questions because they want answers, not criticism. what are you missing in your life that the only thng that makes you happy is to be hateful to everyone else? seriously, that is the vibe us "newbies" get.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

No one needs to change their approach. People need to learn that when they post things publically there will be responses. They can take what they want and use it....and leave the rest behind. If they choose to leave YT, so be it. To blame someone for a person leaving and call them out all of the time is simply engaging in the very behaviors people say they are offended by.

When I first came to YT I got jumped on. I was a little taken aback, but did not leave. I thought about it and did lay back for a while to kind of get a feel for what YT is about.

There is also the trusty little "ignore list" and trust me, I use it and love it. I have been followed by people who seemed to love to try to egg people on ... found that if they are on ignore and I don't read what they say then they cannot get into my head. Life is too short to allow people to push buttons.

There is no way you will ever get every single person in any group...online or in real life to respond to things the same way.

All of this stuff is simply drama in my opinion and honestly a waste of time. There are many people who need advice that people should focus on. Trying to change other people's manner of responding is clearly a waste of time and energy.

I cannot imagine how many complaints the poor mods must listen to...seriously. Somehow this looks to me like a certain group is just trying SO hard to get rid of people and the tactics are just so obvious.

This latest thing took on a ridiculous air...people have flipped it into making anyone who did not like seeing that poor pup being used to make money into evil demons who hate the poor and disabled. Simply astounding to me that ANYONE who read that woman's posts could not feel strongly about how that dog has been exploited and USED. But, to some of you, that is ok....just a dog I guess.

that negativity doesnt look good for yt or a memeber to say that

also you want the drama to die but you keep bring it up..no where on this thread as anyone mention that previous thread.. but you

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by red98vett

thank you and BACK AT YA !

I guess not being a breeder or outspoken puts us out of the Elite club ?

I just wish some of the newer people would see the many many supportive posts and take them for what they are - we're always going to see drama but after being here so long - the drama is really few and far between the informative and NICE posts I've read in all these years

Thanks!

I agree the support here out weighs the drama by an abundance IMO!

[chattiesmom]

I am not a Newbie - I joined on July 31, 2004

I have a embarassingly high post count - but NOT totally embarrasing like V's - sorry V
Honestly, I DO believe that we have an "elite group" of breeders - those breeders who have given their love, blood, sweat, tears, $$, and a lifetime of dedication to the betterment of Yorkies - and to enable others the opportunity to "purchase" or if you would prefer the word "adopt" one of these magnificient dogs.

Most of these breeders are long time YT members and have given untold numbers of hours worth of help to countless people - via pm's, telephone, email - and in some cases even in person. They have paid their dues, and earned the right to be respected - even if we don't always agree with them.

After reading over and over and over again about owners needlessly risking the lives of their babies, asking questions and totally ignoring advice, it does get frustrating. We are lucky that any of our more experienced members are still willing to pitch in with a word or two of wisdom. I totally agree that sometimes emotions get out of kilter and the fur flies - we are YorkieTalk members because of our passion for our Yorkies. In a perfect world, we would all agree on what makes a perfect pet owner, an ethical breeder, etc. and each one of us would be "perfect". But our YT world is filled with thousands of imperfect people, each with a lifetime of experiences that frames who we are, what we think, how we react and respond. What works well for one member may have been disasterous for another -- that doesn't mean one is right and the other is wrong, it means that we have tried the same thing with different results.

Some of our members are more aggressive and direct with responses, some are abrupt to the point of being rude, I am an old school "GRIT" (girl raised in the south) where being polite and respectful of others was not optional. So the way we respond is a matter of how we have been shaped by our life's experiences and by our culture.

Way too often posters forget that they do not own YorkieTalk. It is owned by an individual and we, the members are guests. Being a good citizen of YorkieTalk requires each member to read, understand, and follow the posting rules. One of the things that I respect the most about the Admins and Mods is their impartial rulings. I may not always agree with them, but I do know that they have the best interests of YT at heart.

[Woogie Man]

Rather than the words 'elite' and 'reputable' being used to describe some breeders here, I like the words 'accomplished' and 'responsible'. But that's just me.

Elite would more properly be used to describe V...as in "ONLY member of YT 30,000 club" . Now, that's truly rare air.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by red98vett

thank you and BACK AT YA !

I guess not being a breeder or outspoken puts us out of the Elite club ?

I just wish some of the newer people would see the many many supportive posts and take them for what they are - we're always going to see drama but after being here so long - the drama is really few and far between the informative and NICE posts I've read in all these years

Elaine

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I had to say something again

I have a totally embarassing post count.

I keep seeing the word ELITE being used - people being slammed for taking time to post to others and yes - correcting them sometimes - (I usually try to stay clear of that stuff cause I know others will do it)

Actually I'd rather joke around then be serious - unless it's called for then I will be....BUT......

I don't feel elite at ALL

why is that ?

I'm crushed.

Can I get some love here ? I promise I won't slam you for doing it (nor will I think you're gay)

V...here's a just for you & a personal thank you for enlightening me once on what my Bella does at the neighbor's fence as being something really quite special...my BellaBoo is actually a "Spy-Girl" too!

The other thing is I think some (newbies & oldbies) wanna hop on the high horse and cry foal every time they don't get constructive criticism just the way they'd like it delivered to them.

So, my suggestion is to put your big-girl (or boy) panties on and enjoy the ride here! If you can just "listen" to whats being said you just might take away some knowledge here & there.

And just for the record...much of my post count is attributed to the association of YT pals I hang with in OTG's...they're such a bad influence over there...lol!

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

I am an old school "GRIT" (girl raised in the south)

See...just learned something else new today!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

See...just learned something else new today!

The true definition is "Steel Magnolia". These women know how to get their point across, tell you to !@!@ @!@! and you turn around and say thank you.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The true definition is "Steel Magnolia". These women know how to get their point across, tell you to !@!@ @!@! and you turn around and say thank you.

I'm not sure where you were raised, but being bred, born and raised in the south by southerners youngsters were taught to respect their elders - no exceptions.

I honestly believe that the "Steel" in Steel Magnolia referred to the color of their hair - Steel Blue - earned with age. Funny thing isn't Steel Blue what we would expect to see in a properly coated Yorkie. Anyway, those Steel Magnolias had grown up, had been taught to respect their elders, and as they aged they had "earned" the respect of the youngsters.

And yes, those Steel Magnolias has earned the right to speak their mind and get their point across, tell you where to go and how to get there, smiling all the while and having you turn thank them for the sage advice.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

I am not a Newbie - I joined on July 31, 2004

I have a embarassingly high post count - but NOT totally embarrasing like V's - sorry V
Honestly, I DO believe that we have an "elite group" of breeders - those breeders who have given their love, blood, sweat, tears, $$, and a lifetime of dedication to the betterment of Yorkies - and to enable others the opportunity to "purchase" or if you would prefer the word "adopt" one of these magnificient dogs.

Most of these breeders are long time YT members and have given untold numbers of hours worth of help to countless people - via pm's, telephone, email - and in some cases even in person. They have paid their dues, and earned the right to be respected - even if we don't always agree with them.

After reading over and over and over again about owners needlessly risking the lives of their babies, asking questions and totally ignoring advice, it does get frustrating. We are lucky that any of our more experienced members are still willing to pitch in with a word or two of wisdom. I totally agree that sometimes emotions get out of kilter and the fur flies - we are YorkieTalk members because of our passion for our Yorkies. In a perfect world, we would all agree on what makes a perfect pet owner, an ethical breeder, etc. and each one of us would be "perfect". But our YT world is filled with thousands of imperfect people, each with a lifetime of experiences that frames who we are, what we think, how we react and respond. What works well for one member may have been disasterous for another -- that doesn't mean one is right and the other is wrong, it means that we have tried the same thing with different results.

Some of our members are more aggressive and direct with responses, some are abrupt to the point of being rude, I am an old school "GRIT" (girl raised in the south) where being polite and respectful of others was not optional. So the way we respond is a matter of how we have been shaped by our life's experiences and by our culture.

Way too often posters forget that they do not own YorkieTalk. It is owned by an individual and we, the members are guests. Being a good citizen of YorkieTalk requires each member to read, understand, and follow the posting rules. One of the things that I respect the most about the Admins and Mods is their impartial rulings. I may not always agree with them, but I do know that they have the best interests of YT at heart.

I have to agree and would like to add that it is not only the breeders but also members like myself that volunteer with rescue. We are passionate and yes we have voice out dislike for some of the things that are just wrong BUT that is because we are left to pick up the pieces.

Let's put it this way, if you were always left to clean up someone else's mess wouldn't you eventually become aggravated and speak up? In rescue we see the worst of the worst when it comes to irresponsible breeding AND ownership. We look in awe at the beautiful well bred Yorkie while tending to the sick poorly bred ones in our lives while others die in shelters and mills. Do we turn a blind eye or speak up? I personally chose to speak up for what I see as wrong and many times after I do along comes the backlash but I still stand strong behind my moral compass. Is that such a bad trait?