My Thoughts after a year of YT

[RebelBelle]

Originally Posted by yorkie2luv

I could care less if you agree. Heck, Wylie's mom didn't agree with me, yet she kept it light.

Ann has the patience of a saint! I think that's why we all love her so much.

[lulumom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I saw that post....very sad.


But, here's something that a YT member posted.....and it just is so elquently put

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html

i read that post. i thought it was well-written and contained valid points.

that said, i see no reason for anyone to "attack" another in a public setting at all. heated disagreements between two individuals ought to be carried out via pm, in my opinion.

in regard to new members...i agree with the points she made. still, when a new member posts of a concern or fear or is in a crisis, it's like a triage situation. they need immediate help and support. period. the questions can come, if ever, after the crisis has past. the notion that they are willingly opening themselves up to criticism and hurtful words simply because they haven't "earned" their place, or because someone else feels they're due an explanation is mind-boggling to me.

just as we care about how the animal kingdom is treated, we must care about each other.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by lulumom

i read that post. i thought it was well-written and contained valid points.

that said, i see no reason for anyone to "attack" another in a public setting at all. heated disagreements between two individuals ought to be carried out via pm, in my opinion.

in regard to new members...i agree with the points she made. still, when a new member posts of a concern or fear or is in a crisis, it's like a triage situation. they need immediate help and support. period. the questions can come, if ever, after the crisis has past. the notion that they are willingly opening themselves up to criticism and hurtful words simply because they haven't "earned" their place, or because someone else feels they're due an explanation is mind-boggling to me.

just as we care about how the animal kingdom is treated, we must care about each other.

I understand what you are saying and agree......But, reiterating what has already been pointed out. Not everyone is going to read the written and interpret it the same way. Some will read negative into it and others will read valid advice.

This topic has been touched on time and time again, there is no right or wrong......Not everyone's personality is the same......some are just a bit more straightforward in their responses (which may be considered rude by others) and others sugar coat (just because that is their personality).

This is an open forum.....not subject to a code of ethics or conduct.....we are all free to read, respond or walk away from a topic......

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I understand what you are saying and agree......But, reiterating what has already been pointed out. Not everyone is going to read the written and interpret it the same way. Some will read negative into it and others will read valid advice.

This topic has been touched on time and time again, there is no right or wrong......Not everyone's personality is the same......some are just a bit more straightforward in their responses (which may be considered rude by others) and others sugar coat (just because that is their personality).

This is an open forum.....not subject to a code of ethics or conduct.....we are all free to read, respond or walk away from a topic......

I agree two people could read the same thing and interpret it different ways. Good points!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by chachi

I agree two people could read the same thing and interpret it different ways. Good points!

You and I know that there on members on here that are here to help and then there are those that come on just to stir up trouble. Yep! We've seen it, the come on drop a bombshell just to get things started, get things in an uproar....never to be heard from again.....

[jrsygal37]

You address what the YT agenda is:
1. Educate
2. Promote healthy relationships among yorkie owners and/or those desiring to be owners
3. Find homes for yorkies
4. Support each other


Well, I'd like to address the education part. In #2 you are complaining when members tell other members that they got their pup too young. Isn't that educating? Many times posts are made here regarding health problems and nine times out of ten the pup they are posting about is very young. Being sold younger then reccomended. YT policy in itself if that a pup cannot be even listed for sale until 10 weeks of age. By bringing to the op's attention that the pup was sold too young will hopefully prevent the op and others from making that mistake.

In #5 you speak about USDA Breeders. Well, USDA Breeders are commercial breeders. They breed in mass production and there is NO GOOD in anyone who is a USDA Breeder. If you have proof to prove otherwise then please, I'd like to see it.

In # 6 you address websites. Members posts sites they find while looking and they ask for insight on the site. There are red flags to look for such as the breeding of many different breeds, mixed breeding, terms used as teacups, micro, mini. etc. It's educating when other members bring these red flags to attention of the person asking as well as those reading.

In #7 You address puppymills and rescuing. You cannot compare buying a dog from a mill or petstore as a rescue. Too many people make the mistake of thinking this. It's nice to think but in reality what you are doing is opening up that cage for another pup to fill. It's a vicious cycle. You buy a pup from a bad place, thinking your saving THAT pups life, but then what happens when the breeder or petstore realizes that he can sell that dog and then replaces it with another. It just goes round and round. And, many members on here have walked in others shoes. They've bought from bad places because they did not have a place like YT to learn from. I was one of those people. My first Yorkie came from a small mill. Had there been a forum like this I would have known better not to buy.

I am very happy for YT and for the mods who volunteer their time here. yes, occassionally some posts fall through the cracks, but not for long. The mods do a great job. I think that you should think about what you've written and reread some of the answers given on these posts. Maybe, you'll see that the complaints you have made were for people simply doing what YT is here for and that is education.

And, I can't tell you how many times I've seen YT members support each other. Cookie who is missing her dog, many members here are donating their time looking on the internet for dogs found and sending them to her, donating money for flyers to help etc. An older man whose dog died and a breeder and members donated a puppy to him, YT train that has brought many rescues to new homes, myself when my Yorkie passed and two wonderful YT members sent me a card with a beautiful picture and poem hand painted of my Newman. This is just a few. I've seen more support here then negativity and I think we are all lucky to have this site and the many good members we have here.

And quite honestly no offense but I think you should stick around YT because some of the things you said in your posts show why sites like this is needed.

Elaine

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by RebelBelle

Ann has the patience of a saint! I think that's why we all love her so much.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkie2luv

Ok, missing the point and tone is changing this post.

Yes, it certainly seems to be...on all sides.

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Now I'm pretty old bird....but, I was always taught that respect was something you earned...............Polite is what you should be to others.

I like that. That's where I come from too E.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

You address what the YT agenda is:
1. Educate
2. Promote healthy relationships among yorkie owners and/or those desiring to be owners
3. Find homes for yorkies
4. Support each other


Well, I'd like to address the education part. In #2 you are complaining when members tell other members that they got their pup too young. Isn't that educating? Many times posts are made here regarding health problems and nine times out of ten the pup they are posting about is very young. Being sold younger then reccomended. YT policy in itself if that a pup cannot be even listed for sale until 10 weeks of age. By bringing to the op's attention that the pup was sold too young will hopefully prevent the op and others from making that mistake.

In #5 you speak about USDA Breeders. Well, USDA Breeders are commercial breeders. They breed in mass production and there is NO GOOD in anyone who is a USDA Breeder. If you have proof to prove otherwise then please, I'd like to see it.

In # 6 you address websites. Members posts sites they find while looking and they ask for insight on the site. There are red flags to look for such as the breeding of many different breeds, mixed breeding, terms used as teacups, micro, mini. etc. It's educating when other members bring these red flags to attention of the person asking as well as those reading.

In #7 You address puppymills and rescuing. You cannot compare buying a dog from a mill or petstore as a rescue. Too many people make the mistake of thinking this. It's nice to think but in reality what you are doing is opening up that cage for another pup to fill. It's a vicious cycle. You buy a pup from a bad place, thinking your saving THAT pups life, but then what happens when the breeder or petstore realizes that he can sell that dog and then replaces it with another. It just goes round and round. And, many members on here have walked in others shoes. They've bought from bad places because they did not have a place like YT to learn from. I was one of those people. My first Yorkie came from a small mill. Had there been a forum like this I would have known better not to buy.

I am very happy for YT and for the mods who volunteer their time here. yes, occassionally some posts fall through the cracks, but not for long. The mods do a great job. I think that you should think about what you've written and reread some of the answers given on these posts. Maybe, you'll see that the complaints you have made were for people simply doing what YT is here for and that is education.

And, I can't tell you how many times I've seen YT members support each other. Cookie who is missing her dog, many members here are donating their time looking on the internet for dogs found and sending them to her, donating money for flyers to help etc. An older man whose dog died and a breeder and members donated a puppy to him, YT train that has brought many rescues to new homes, myself when my Yorkie passed and two wonderful YT members sent me a card with a beautiful picture and poem hand painted of my Newman. This is just a few. I've seen more support here then negativity and I think we are all lucky to have this site and the many good members we have here.

And quite honestly no offense but I think you should stick around YT because some of the things you said in your posts show why sites like this is needed.

Elaine

Elaine, I'm giving you my second standing ovation of this thread. Wonderfully written - thank you!!

[jackson25]

In a perfect world, all would visit this site LONG before purchasing a new yorkie! This would solve alot of the issues you have with this site! We all know that is not going to happen! This site then has to educate people after the fact. Although you bring up great issues, not much can be done when dealing with with uneducated people, but to try to educate. After all, when we stop listening, we stop learning!

[AmyChristine]

Originally Posted by bonbon

Elaine, I'm giving you my second standing ovation of this thread. Wonderfully written - thank you!!

I agree, I think that you touched on alot of really good points thankyou

[BamaFan121s]

The more I think abot it, the more I feel like the whole thing is a bit redundant, don't you think? A thread lecturing people who lecture others, not liking the 'control' (for lack of better phrase) that some have but then trying to contol the direction and comments of the topic itself, and complaining about people complaining... The thread itself originated with a post that was basically one big complaint about one what person dislikes about YT. It's all just a bit silly, if you ask me.

[lulumom]

it might help to go back and read the original post for those who believe this is a thread about people complaining about people complaining.

in truth, it had absolutely nothing to do with that and there were several folks who recognized as much from the start.

someone mentioned earlier that people cannot learn if they do not listen. this is true for everyone and there isn't a person on this forum, or in this world frankly, who couldn't learn a thing or two if they put a little practice into the "listen" part of that equation.

sometimes it seems to me we put more thought and care into the behavior of our yorkies than into our own.

[MrsPeanut]

Originally Posted by ziggyandme

now im nervous im going to be chastised for not doing my homework first, lol. i respect the fact that you guys take loving animals so seriously so before anyone tries to make a villian out of me (cuz i have a feeling im just who the ultimate YT experts target) i just want to say this;

i said all of those things knowing my own error, although admittedly not until after i got him. i know thats not the greatest way to start loving a yorkie, but i love him as much as any of you, i would bet my paycheck to that.

im just trying to present the new owner, who doesnt know jack side of things.

its a bit disconcerting when you ask for info and people beat you down for what you dont know. stating facts such as, 'a reputable breeder would not sell a puppy until its 12 weeks' is not offensive. saying 'that breeder is a peice of sh*t and so are you', LOL is harsh. ok thats an exxageration, but as a new owner i fully resonate with this post. im not asking you all to hold my hand and say there there, its ok. im just asking not to be treated like an idiot when i am here trying, thats all.

peace & love

I couldnt agree more, I see this happening a lot when new yorkie owners get on and I think I am even guilty of it too, so I stopped posting those kinds of messages because I realize you guys don't know and your here to be educated.