Nightline Tonight: Inside Primate Research Labs

[txrosegirl]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I don't disagree with this -- but like I said above, animal testing and animal cruelty don't have to go hand-in-hand.

well i never said they went hand in hand ... i just believe if you really think about it, ANY animal testing is "inhumane" if the animals will be exposed to anything remotely dangerous (which is the point of animal testing, right?) ... yes they should try to handle and treat them as humanely as possible but how humane is it really to expose them to anything we would not expose a fellow human to?

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Got this via email:

Tonight, go inside a research facility with an undercover investigator for The Humane Society of the United States. For nine months, she investigated the wretched existence of chimpanzees and other primates who are warehoused or used for research in laboratories at a cost of millions to taxpayers.

In a special in-depth report scheduled to air tonight at 11:35 p.m. EST on ABC News: Nightline, you'll see for yourself the dismal lives of chimpanzees held for research -- including some who were taken from their mothers as infants in the wild and have lived virtually their entire lives behind bars.

Please tune in tonight to ABC News: Nightline, and let your friends and family know about the broadcast, too. Then watch your email inbox tomorrow to join the campaign to help ensure these animals are retired to the sanctuaries they deserve.

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Here is a "sneak peek" from abc news - which includes and article and a video. The video is short - it has some disturbing footage, but relatively speaking - it was easier to watch than many of the recent puppy mill videos.

OH Dear, I just cant watch these shows. It just makes me want to Ba--. My daughter is in medical school and Im just waiting for the day she tells me she had to test on Animals. I simply do not know how Im going to react. There is a HUGE Primate lab in San Antonio near Six Flags. You are talking to someone who as never been to a Circus, Neither have my 3 girls. I just hate the way we test and subject Animals for our Pleasures.

[manolos mom]

I know we need this for the advancement of medicine BUT some of these test are unnecessary and the part that ticks me off the most is they keep repeating the same test over and over. They do need to show this because some people have their heads buried in the sand...

[yorkiekist]

When I went to NAU, I worked for my advisor and in the animal facility. I helped in the labs and helped with surgeries that the upper grads were doing. They were doing nerve cross tests and used cats. Most of the cats had to be put down at the end of the tests but I did adopt one of them. there were an assortment of animals in the facility. A skunk, opposums, prairie dogs, ferrets, cats and hummingbirds. I took care of all of them.
I also took a genetic course. I about died when the teacher broke the necks of 4 mice right in front of us! So these kinds of testing go on yer end and year out at universities also. But you cant learn everything from a book.

[Sara21]

HSUS makes money by confusing people that it runs animal shelters. It is NOT a humane society.

Any organization that associates itself with terrorists like John Goodwin should not be given this much attention.

It has been refused entry into many meetings because it makes wild allegations that are simply not true.

Sara

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by txrosegirl

well i never said they went hand in hand ... i just believe if you really think about it, ANY animal testing is "inhumane" if the animals will be exposed to anything remotely dangerous (which is the point of animal testing, right?) ... yes they should try to handle and treat them as humanely as possible but how humane is it really to expose them to anything we would not expose a fellow human to?

Oh dear, I totally didn't mean to imply that you thought that...I hope you didn't take it that way - my apologies if it came off like that . And your last point? Wow, I agree.

Originally Posted by manolos mom

I know we need this for the advancement of medicine BUT some of these test are unnecessary and the part that ticks me off the most is they keep repeating the same test over and over. They do need to show this because some people have their heads buried in the sand...

Yes, I agree. What is sad is that sometimes, computer models are available and effective - and yet they aren't using them. I know they may not be able to *always* use models, but I think they should be used when able, you know?

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

When I went to NAU, I worked for my advisor and in the animal facility. I helped in the labs and helped with surgeries that the upper grads were doing. They were doing nerve cross tests and used cats. Most of the cats had to be put down at the end of the tests but I did adopt one of them. there were an assortment of animals in the facility. A skunk, opposums, prairie dogs, ferrets, cats and hummingbirds. I took care of all of them. I also took a genetic course. I about died when the teacher broke the necks of 4 mice right in front of us! So these kinds of testing go on yer end and year out at universities also. But you cant learn everything from a book.

Gosh those must be tough memories to have for you, bc I know you love animals, but I know you also understand the need for science - I'm glad you adopted one of the cats . And yes, this stuff goes on in alllll kinds of schools. I understand the need for some of it, but then I don't understand the need in superfluous applications.

[Nancy1999]

Did anyone see it? I forgot to set the recorder, probably on purpose.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Did anyone see it? I forgot to set the recorder, probably on purpose.

I had it set to tape and was going to watch this morning, but our power blinked out in the middle of the night (our clocks were all blinking this a.m.) - so now I'm trying to see if it's going to be shown again. I really wanted to see it!

[simonandhallie]

Originally Posted by Sara21

HSUS makes money by confusing people that it runs animal shelters. It is NOT a humane society.

Any organization that associates itself with terrorists like John Goodwin should not be given this much attention.

It has been refused entry into many meetings because it makes wild allegations that are simply not true.

Sara

This story is not about the HSUS but the animals trapped and suffering for the sake of "research" and that does require attention.

It's so easy for people to pretend it doesn't happen or look the other way because it's too difficult to deal with. I hate that! I think that regardless of personal issues with any animal organization at least they have the guts to stand up and fight for the animals and show the true nature of what is happening to them.

Also this might be of interest, here is a link to the PETA caring consumer list that has companies that do not test on animals You can also sign up for a pocket sized list to take shopping with you~

Caring Consumer // Search for Cruelty-Free Companies and Products

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by simonandhallie

This story is not about the HSUS but the animals trapped and suffering for the sake of "research" and that does require attention.

It's so easy for people to pretend it doesn't happen or look the other way because it's too difficult to deal with. I hate that! I think that regardless of personal issues with any animal organization at least they have the guts to stand up and fight for the animals and show the true nature of what is happening to them.

Also this might be of interest, here is a link to the PETA caring consumer list that has companies that do not test on animals You can also sign up for a pocket sized list to take shopping with you~

Caring Consumer // Search for Cruelty-Free Companies and Products

I agree with much of what you said, but I just have to say, I think it oversimplifies it to suggest that people buy only buy products from companies who don't do animal testing. We should strive for humane testing and try to eliminate unnecessary testing, but many of the companies, just use formulas that other companies have already tested. Government regulations demand that products be tested for safety when new ingredients or combinations are used. When company "A" spends money on testing to pass government regulations and proves that a certain ingredient is safe to use in a certain manner, it doesn't seem right that Company B can just use those ingredients and claim, they don't do animal testing.

If there are companies out there doing UNNECCESSARY testing, I would like to be aware of them, and I will boycott them as well.

[cheryl19]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I don't disagree with this -- but like I said above, animal testing and animal cruelty don't have to go hand-in-hand.

So true!!

[Woogie Man]

I watched it but I think I may have missed a little of it. What I did see was less shocking than I expected but the narrator did say than the facility was being reinspected due to the report. I only saw 3 highlighted instances and they were: (1) Someone whacked a monkey (or chimp) in the face with a bar. This was the worst I saw. The person didn't 'go off' on it with the bar but still, it was inhumane. (2) There were several obviously drugged primates (very out of it) lying on a stainless steel counter and one of them slid onto the floor. (3) The report showed workers transporting sedated primates without any restraints or cages. I must've missed something because I really expected to see much worse but this facility (in New Iberia LA) gets LOTS of grant money and should be nothing less than state-of-the-art. There was also a focus on the lack of attention the primates receive and the quality (or lack thereof) of their housing.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I watched it but I think I may have missed a little of it. What I did see was less shocking than I expected but the narrator did say than the facility was being reinspected due to the report. I only saw 3 highlighted instances and they were: (1) Someone whacked a monkey (or chimp) in the face with a bar. This was the worst I saw. The person didn't 'go off' on it with the bar but still, it was inhumane. (2) There were several obviously drugged primates (very out of it) lying on a stainless steel counter and one of them slid onto the floor. (3) The report showed workers transporting sedated primates without any restraints or cages. I must've missed something because I really expected to see much worse but this facility (in New Iberia LA) gets LOTS of grant money and should be nothing less than state-of-the-art. There was also a focus on the lack of attention the primates receive and the quality (or lack thereof) of their housing.

Very interesting, Jim, thank you so much for sharing that information. I was wondering how some of the video on the show might have compared to the video in the article at nbc (in the first post). The article was good too. I wish I would've seen it -- can't believe our power went out. It's really to bad about the lack of attention bc primates are such complex creatures, they really are in dire need of it.

[Wylie's Mom]

OH! And for anyone wanting to take action for this, especially to help "retire" the elders who are still at the lab - you can go here:

https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2009_NIRC_jindal

[dogears]

If you go to the link at the very beginning of this thread you can watch the video (right hand side 2nd video). The segment was only about 9 minutes long.