Ughhhhh!!!!!

[chachi]

I have seen some of your posts and they are confrontational. You probably would get a different reaction if they werent so harsh. jmo

[Ashley V]

Seriously, if volunteering at a kill shelter is gonna get you that worked up, you should find another place to volunteer. Maybe a rescue where they don't put dogs to sleep? I understand being passionate, but I think you are going about being passionate in the wrong way. Find a way to make a change and better whatever it is. Coming on a public forum and screaming to everyone about it, is not making a change. No one listens to that. Sorry, but it just irritates people and you won't get your point across.

Not all dogs that find themselves in rescues are "designer dogs", puppy millers, or from bybs. I volunteer too and a lot of dogs I've noticed are PUREBRED hounds like beagles or powerful breeds like pitt bulls because the buyers DO NOT RESEARCH. Not all responsibility lies on the breeders... a lot also lies on the person that owns the dog too. Just because I own two puppy mill dogs doesn't mean they are going to end up in a shelter. I owned a powerful byb'er dog breed and she lived for 6 years, was as mean as could be from bad breeding, but she still stayed with us. You see, a lot falls back on the owners too.

Also, my shar-pei was an outside dog. She loved being outside. She loved running and being free. If she had been inside let loose she would have literally killed our cat. We did bring her inside in extreme weather and at night though and she slept in our mudroom.

[QuickSilver]

I agree with chachi. You are obviously knowledgable and bring up important points. However, from the posts I've seen, you seem very angry and accusatory. I don't think the point is "oh, we shouldn't judge" as much as it is "rather than judge, let's EDUCATE."

It seems to me that you expect everyone else to have the knowledge you do about dogs, and the fact is, many people don't. Maybe you think they should, but how are they going to learn if someone doesn't educate them? Passionate animal lovers have a responsibility to TEACH, not to berate or shame.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

It seems to me that you expect everyone else to have the knowledge you do about dogs, and the fact is, many people don't. Maybe you think they should, but how are they going to learn if someone doesn't educate them? Passionate animal lovers have a responsibility to TEACH, not to berate or shame.

I'm not going to comment on the content of the original post. I'm just going to say that anytime we start generalizing about an entire group of people (be it a race, culture, country, a group of breeders, a religion, PETA members ) - we have already lost the battle we're trying to fight.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Keely_momma

Okay, i need to vent.


Am i that horrible, because i get defensive when some irresponsible breeder is producing puppies and dont know how to take care of them? But of course, we are not here to judge!


Am I NOT supposed to get defensive when somebody want to buy a dog that has little to no undercoat and keep it outside in -40 c Weahter???!

Why Am I the terrible person for trying to talk somebody out of doing something utterly STUPID AND SELFISH!?

Why am I the horrible one, When I hold puppies that were bred by a BYB that breeds morkies and Yorkiepoos BUt people say "she isnt a bad breeder. She was nice. My puppy isnt from a bad place. I got her froma good breeder." And meanwhile im holding you puppies brother or sister while its getting PTS?


I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND? I statrted a thread about morkies AND designer breeds. Not because Im against the puppies or dogs. BEcause I HATE The people that breed these so called breeds, And then I was insulted and bashed. And people started turening it around saying i didnt like mix breed dogs? If i didnt like them, I would do everything in my fricking power to keep them from getting PUT TO SLEEP at 3 months old!

I just dont understand. People tell me "well there are some good morkie (or whatever) breeders that are accually trying to make it a real breed"

Okay, Well if that is the case, why do they breed 2 PURE BRED yorkies and A maltese together? All the pups will most likely end up with totaally different traits. Why not breed 2 "Morkies" together with the same traits, that are going to be that standard for morkies and accually create a new breed recognized by CKC and AKC?

And why not make up a more original name for them ? I mean COME ON!


ARGHHH okay. I ranted. Go ahead. Bash me now for not liking irresponsible breeders.

First of all, I really don't appreciate you calling people names that breed yorkies and maltese. or yorkies/poodles, to each his own, and by the way, my sister(she has a degree in psychology and very intelligent) used to breed morkies. You are 15 years old, and you need to learn to have respect for your elders. If any of my 3 children ever talked down to anyone like you do at your age, I would have knocked them out. They all 3 are 24-34 years old now, and they are all very respectful to their elders still, and it had best never change!!! I have had dogs older than what you are

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Keely_momma

I think its in humane to leave any dog outside in the weather we are having (Or anywehather if the dog is starved for attention and warmth. ) So yes, I think MOST deserve to suffer. Its selfish to have a dog and leave it outside. Nothing but selfishness. I can understand it when your dog has a JOb. Like protecting cattle, guarding/ whatever. But pet. no. Its terrible.

Just so you know, I also have 2 OUTSIDE dogs. Not that it gets like freezing cold out, but, they aren't tied up, they have a large dog run, fresh water, food, a beautiful shelter with 2 dog houses made inside, a lot of straw, and they get a lot of love and attention..Oh lordy, am I bad??

[MindieRose]

I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND? I statrted a thread about morkies AND designer breeds. Not because Im against the puppies or dogs. BEcause I HATE The people that breed these so called breeds, And then I was insulted and bashed.

You just said you HATE people that breed mixed breed dogs, and you cannot figure out why you were insulted? You need to gain some wisdom before you open your mouth or let your figures fly. Not every person that breeds a mixed breed dog is a terrible person that deserves to burn in hell. A great deal of people love mixed breed dogs, and would prefer one. Someone breeding and supplying these people with a dog they are going to give a wonderful home to are not bad people. You can not generalize every person that breeds a mixed breed dog as one of those online puppy mills that has 100 breeding females living in a 20 degree pole barn.
Hate the sin, not the sinner. You need to chill with the anger because you are only hurting yourself.

[MindieRose]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Just so you know, I also have 2 OUTSIDE dogs. Not that it gets like freezing cold out, but, they aren't tied up, they have a large dog run, fresh water, food, a beautiful shelter with 2 dog houses made inside, a lot of straw, and they get a lot of love and attention..Oh lordy, am I bad??

I have 2 outside goats It is freezing here and snowy, and I am NOT bringing them inside!
We had an outside dog (lab) for a long time and he was perfectly happy. He was miserable when we brought him in the house. The only reason we rehomed him was because he got to be lonely in the winter months and it was just eating at me, and we could not get another dog, as we met (eh hem, exceeded ) our limit. He was the best though, and if we could have had another dog out there with him, it would have been more ideal.
If someone has an outside dog and provides them with adequate shelter, attention and nourishment, thats great. Some breeds were bred to be outside a lot.

[Trixter]

Keely Momma, It might help to think of this public forum as a public room. Realize there are people and faces and hearts and feelings on the other side of the screen you are looking at. You are open to your opinion, but you said that at times you feel like slapping some of the people at your shelter in the face.
When you reply to a thread with a negative response, you ARE slapping the person in the face. Just because you can't see them, doesn't mean you aren't having the same effect. You do know how it feels, because people HAVE done the same to you.
There is an old saying "You can catch more flies with Honey than Vinegar!" There is great truth in that.
You have great passion, and if channeled correctly, you will use this to your advantage, and the advantage of the pet world.

[Ashley V]

Originally Posted by Trixter

Keely Momma, It might help to think of this public forum as a public room. Realize there are people and faces and hearts and feelings on the other side of the screen you are looking at. You are open to your opinion, but you said that at times you feel like slapping some of the people at your shelter in the face.
When you reply to a thread with a negative response, you ARE slapping the person in the face. Just because you can't see them, doesn't mean you aren't having the same effect. You do know how it feels, because people HAVE done the same to you.
There is an old saying "You can catch more flies with Honey than Vinegar!" There is great truth in that.
You have great passion, and if channeled correctly, you will use this to your advantage, and the advantage of the pet world.

Having passion is GOOD but you should find more effective ways to direct it.

In some of your previous posts where you have tried educating people you have sounded confrontational... that might not have been what was intended, but you could have phrased things differently. People are more apt to listen to someone who is calm and will explain things, rather than being accusatory. For example, instead of saying, "Keeping a dog outside is CRUEL AND SICK" you could say, "There are a lot of dangers of keeping a dog outside all the time and these are the effects of these dangers ...." Which one would you be more likely to listen to? The first response would put the other person on the defense whereas the second response, a person would more than likely say either "yes, but ..." then give you a response or say "oh you know I never thought of that. Thanks!" They could still get defensive, but you know, you can't help everyone!

[Gypsy & Me]

Originally Posted by chachi

I have seen some of your posts and they are confrontational. You probably would get a different reaction if they werent so harsh. jmo

I thought the same thing.

Originally Posted by Ashley V

In some of your previous posts where you have tried educating people you have sounded confrontational... that might not have been what was intended, but you could have phrased things differently. People are more apt to listen to someone who is calm and will explain things, rather than being accusatory. For example, instead of saying, "Keeping a dog outside is CRUEL AND SICK" you could say, "There are a lot of dangers of keeping a dog outside all the time and these are the effects of these dangers ...." Which one would you be more likely to listen to? The first response would put the other person on the defense whereas the second response, a person would more than likely say either "yes, but ..." then give you a response or say "oh you know I never thought of that. Thanks!" They could still get defensive, but you know, you can't help everyone!

Exactly. Very well said.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

I have 2 outside goats It is freezing here and snowy, and I am NOT bringing them inside!
We had an outside dog (lab) for a long time and he was perfectly happy. He was miserable when we brought him in the house. The only reason we rehomed him was because he got to be lonely in the winter months and it was just eating at me, and we could not get another dog, as we met (eh hem, exceeded ) our limit. He was the best though, and if we could have had another dog out there with him, it would have been more ideal.
If someone has an outside dog and provides them with adequate shelter, attention and nourishment, thats great. Some breeds were bred to be outside a lot.

You mean person, leaving your goats out in the cold... Mine aren't coming in either, they shed, but, they have eachother, and believe me, they have it made. Hubby worries about them when it gets cold out, but, I keep telling him, they're both long haired dogs(even the shepherd is long haired) and they're not tied up, and they have lots of straw and eachother. heck, the dog across the street is tied up, by itself, and is a cocker spaniel, and believe me, my dogs have it a lot better, I feel like stealing that dog and bringing it over to our shelter, at least it would be warm. We even have the thermometer in our dogs shelter that shows us inside what it is in their shelter, and it has a roof and insulation in there too. I can even walk in to it, which I do everynight to feed them.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

You mean person, leaving your goats out in the cold... Mine aren't coming in either, they shed, but, they have eachother, and believe me, they have it made. Hubby worries about them when it gets cold out, but, I keep telling him, they're both long haired dogs(even the shepherd is long haired) and they're not tied up, and they have lots of straw and eachother. heck, the dog across the street is tied up, by itself, and is a cocker spaniel, and believe me, my dogs have it a lot better, I feel like stealing that dog and bringing it over to our shelter, at least it would be warm. We even have the thermometer in our dogs shelter that shows us inside what it is in their shelter, and it has a roof and insulation in there too. I can even walk in to it, which I do everynight to feed them.

My little pygmy goat SLEPT with my husband and me under the covers for several weeks. But sssshhhhhhh don't tell anyone. I mean I'd be accused of being cruel for bringing a farm animal inside I have also been known to bathe miniature horses in the bath tub.

[MindieRose]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

My little pygmy goat SLEPT with my husband and me under the covers for several weeks. But sssshhhhhhh don't tell anyone. I mean I'd be accused of being cruel for bringing a farm animal inside I have also been known to bathe miniature horses in the bath tub.

Spot, my little white pygmy (which I really think is a nigerian dwarf and the people just were ignorant) was in the house his first month of life. I rescued him when he was born because his mama didnt make milk and they didnt have time to bottle feed him. It was too cold outside for him so I kept him in a large dog crate and let him out to run for awhile after I would bottle feed him and put him out to potty every couple hours. He's my baby. I tell the kids he says "maaaaaa" to me instead of baaaaaa. Let me grab some pics a second and I will show you how sweet he was..well he still is but he was soo tiny.

[MindieRose]

ok here are some pics of spot, then and more recent at 4-H. Notice how my youngest son looks like he is staring at the judge's ummm...chest. LOL! We picked on him a lot for that!