Chocolate Show Dog!!!!!!

[BabyFidgette]

Why is allowing variances of the breed ruining it? It's not like Yorkies were mixed with another breed to get the color. Chocolates & Biewers/Partis come from Yorkies. All Yorkies are beautiful to me know matter what color. Look at all the color variations of labs, poodles, etc. If we shunned the chocolate lab like some do with chocolate Yorkies, there wouldn't be all the beautiful dogs we have today. The only way the breed will be "ruined" is if breeders stop breeding them.

[shannette barbe]

Anyone wanting to join in is welcome akc ukc or ckc keep all records and pedigree's get as much info on your dogs background as possible we will band together and start our own club since there is none out there.

Any one interested please email me with any information or questions we will figure out rules and regulations and i guess put on our own dog shows and judge our own dogs.
Seems nobody else is interested in this dog. So im appealing to the chocolate and liver and tan lovers band together and we will just call them
red terriers or something this has to stop
Someone needs to give these dogs and supporters of these dogs a break. im willing to do what it takes changing names starting our own club whatever.
and appealing to anyone and everyone they deserve recognition when the dog is in great quality and condition for showing and breeders are responsible with keeping of bloodlines we are trying to do our part we just keep getting pushed back by people who are scared of change.
So if your are interested im open for suggestions and oversee ers judges who would want to judge any thing. RED Terrier Club sounds great suggestions welcome

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

Why is allowing variances of the breed ruining it? It's not like Yorkies were mixed with another breed to get the color. Chocolates & Biewers/Partis come from Yorkies. All Yorkies are beautiful to me know matter what color. Look at all the color variations of labs, poodles, etc. If we shunned the chocolate lab like some do with chocolate Yorkies, there wouldn't be all the beautiful dogs we have today. The only way the breed will be "ruined" is if breeders stop breeding them.

You are a wise person congrats on your point

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

You show me one reason why a black and gold is more important than a chocolate or liver and maybe i will leave it to YOU people

Who is "YOU people"? I am a pet owner and I love the yorkshire terrier breed, that is all. I do not breed or show.
I was not rude at all nor was I trying to put her dog down, I was simply expressing my opinion on a chocolate (any chocolate) in the show ring and/or in a breeding program.

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by littlewhip

Im trying to keep up with you all, but wow iam getting so i like yt for all the education that comes with it, so many threads about colors and still im in the dark I only have tradional colors but i love looking at all the colors, they are all so beautiful in there own way Im going to keep trying to folllow you all here so Im able to understand more & more

well there are plenty of thoughts and myths about differences in color genes in the yorkie and here is a great place to hear all the debates but be prepared to have thick skin cause some can be bruital about caring about any dog other than the ones they want in the shows. thank you for being interested in them. We need more people wanting to know more.

[feminvstr]

Dear Kimberly,

I was made aware of this today.

Yes, apparently one did compete. We do not have a show report in yet, so I can't say what the award was that the dog was given, if any.

There are no DQ's in Yorkies (in UKC or AKC) so a dog of that color couldn't be disqualified for being an off color. In order to be disqualified, there has to be a specific disqualification listed.

When I received your email I was on the phone with one of the judges from the weekend. She called me about the dog, and she said she had withheld awards, which would be the correct action, I feel, as the standard is quite specific regarding the color. Because no mention is made of the off color as a DQ, the judge should treat it as a fault and penalize the exhibit accordingly. In a standard so heavily weighted towards color, in my opinion withholding would be the best course of action.

If I can be of any more assistance, please let me know.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Dear Kimberly,

I was made aware of this today.

Yes, apparently one did compete. We do not have a show report in yet, so I can't say what the award was that the dog was given, if any.

There are no DQ's in Yorkies (in UKC or AKC) so a dog of that color couldn't be disqualified for being an off color. In order to be disqualified, there has to be a specific disqualification listed.

When I received your email I was on the phone with one of the judges from the weekend. She called me about the dog, and she said she had withheld awards, which would be the correct action, I feel, as the standard is quite specific regarding the color. Because no mention is made of the off color as a DQ, the judge should treat it as a fault and penalize the exhibit accordingly. In a standard so heavily weighted towards color, in my opinion withholding would be the best course of action.

If I can be of any more assistance, please let me know.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

well atleast you proved she was in the show thank you wasnt going for much just wanted a judge to see her and other people to make there own decisions but thank you for your conformation of her attending the show

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Dear Kimberly,

I was made aware of this today.

Yes, apparently one did compete. We do not have a show report in yet, so I can't say what the award was that the dog was given, if any.

There are no DQ's in Yorkies (in UKC or AKC) so a dog of that color couldn't be disqualified for being an off color. In order to be disqualified, there has to be a specific disqualification listed.

When I received your email I was on the phone with one of the judges from the weekend. She called me about the dog, and she said she had withheld awards, which would be the correct action, I feel, as the standard is quite specific regarding the color. Because no mention is made of the off color as a DQ, the judge should treat it as a fault and penalize the exhibit accordingly. In a standard so heavily weighted towards color, in my opinion withholding would be the best course of action.

If I can be of any more assistance, please let me know.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

Well, I guess that answers the question as to what their 'official stance' is on the situation.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Dear Kimberly,

I was made aware of this today.

Yes, apparently one did compete. We do not have a show report in yet, so I can't say what the award was that the dog was given, if any.

There are no DQ's in Yorkies (in UKC or AKC) so a dog of that color couldn't be disqualified for being an off color. In order to be disqualified, there has to be a specific disqualification listed.

When I received your email I was on the phone with one of the judges from the weekend. She called me about the dog, and she said she had withheld awards, which would be the correct action, I feel, as the standard is quite specific regarding the color. Because no mention is made of the off color as a DQ, the judge should treat it as a fault and penalize the exhibit accordingly. In a standard so heavily weighted towards color, in my opinion withholding would be the best course of action.

If I can be of any more assistance, please let me know.

Mark E. Threlfall
Executive Vice President
United Kennel Club, Inc.®
Your Total Dog Registry since 1898
www.ukcdogs.com
Our Dogs do Stuff

K,

We need more people like you, working to perserve the breed and standard.

Evidently the UKC is not aware of the DQ, but I'm sure that they won't be far behind, since they work off the YTCA/AKC standard

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

well atleast you proved she was in the show thank you wasnt going for much just wanted a judge to see her and other people to make there own decisions but thank you for your conformation of her attending the show

I can still put the choc/liver in other events im gonna get attention for this breed one way or the other. So bashing me or this breed is just a waste of time
im sure in time there will be many more competing if not in ring in other parts of shows i dont need a judge to tell me my dog is healthy and pretty i know they are they are also smart and energetic and can do more than walk around a ring and look pretty


no offense intended just passionate and persistant thnks

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

well atleast you proved she was in the show thank you wasnt going for much just wanted a judge to see her and other people to make there own decisions but thank you for your conformation of her attending the show

Maybe I missed it. Did some say that the dog was never shown?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

I can still put the choc/liver in other events im gonna get attention for this breed one way or the other. So bashing me or this breed is just a waste of time
i dont need a judge to tell me my dog is healthy and pretty i know they are

Lol..I understand your point (I think), but if you are really don't need a judge to tell you anything, why would you put her in other events? Just wondering...it doesn't make much sense to me....

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Maybe I missed it. Did some say that the dog was never shown?

i dont think so but there was alot of disbelief otherwise ukc wouldnt have been questioned about whether she was showed or not

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by shannette barbe

well atleast you proved she was in the show thank you wasnt going for much just wanted a judge to see her and other people to make there own decisions but thank you for your conformation of her attending the show

Ok I'm gonna chime in one more time....No one is saying she didn't go to the show we are all pretty sure the dog was shown. If you know the standard and you know the dog is incorrect why take it in the ring is the point of all this. I pet out dogs with faults. No dog is going to be perfect but if you take in a dog with an "OBIVIOUS" fault then you don't care about the representation of the breed. All yorkies are pretty! Some are pets and some are show dogs. Show breeders are only asking and trying to educate on is that you show the best representation of the breed and go by what the standard is saying that means "no chocolate" because it's not the steel blue it's calling for in the standard. Almost every show breeder has pet quality puppies in a litter and if something is way off you spay and place that yorkie into a loving and caring home as such as any of you. I know show breeders that take dogs in the ring all the time that shouldn't be in the ring and that's why you have so many that are on YT that get frustrated with taking in those that don't fit the standard in the ring and are so passionate about it. All we are asking is educate yourself and if you know it's not up to standard why do it? Again, just like children you want them to follow the rules but how can you expect them too when the adults can't!
JMHO
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[shannette barbe]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Lol..I understand your point (I think), but if you are really don't need a judge to tell you anything, why would you put her in other events? Just wondering...it doesn't make much sense to me....

simply for recognition and education and competition to put this breed out there for the public to decide if they want or like them or not and basically to have fun with them just as others that compete do. Most people have never even seen one