breeding....show quality....?

[scoobiedooiscoo]

ok my opinion on this is, like mealot of people love love love yorkies and just want one they can afford to bring into their home. if you find a breeder get to know them get to know the dogs talk to their vets and try to make sure your puppy is the best you think it can be without being akc why not breed it.
there are tons of people out there that want a yorkie to love for life with or without flaws. and really money shouldnt be a factor but it is for alot of people. for me i wanted to breed lacey so i could give a puppy to my parents and sister, i knew when i got her she isnt akc and my family knows IF i decide to breed her their dogs wont be eather, but i still have looked into health and temperment on laceys parents and grandparents ect.. and knew the breeder for a couple years before i got her. i found with akc breeders it was really hard to find one that would allow me to breed even once to share with my family if i chose to. i wanted akc but to get one to breed seemed nearly impossable. also i hear alot on yt go to dog shows get to know the breeders, where i live there really arent alot of dog shows to go to so unless i travel out of state i cant attend dog shows.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I recently went to the big Houston AKC show in July, and that show allowed dogs in as long as they were over 6 months and current on vaccinations (although no one checked for those). There were several Pet dogs at the show. I guess it depends on the rules of the show site

Very unusual, because of the AKC rules they could be within their rights only to allow dogs in that are entered. I have witnessed them go around the grooming set ups and check, as well as checking with spectators.

[kelsie123186]

Originally Posted by scoobiedooiscoo

ok my opinion on this is, like mealot of people love love love yorkies and just want one they can afford to bring into their home. if you find a breeder get to know them get to know the dogs talk to their vets and try to make sure your puppy is the best you think it can be without being akc why not breed it.
there are tons of people out there that want a yorkie to love for life with or without flaws. and really money shouldnt be a factor but it is for alot of people. for me i wanted to breed lacey so i could give a puppy to my parents and sister, i knew when i got her she isnt akc and my family knows IF i decide to breed her their dogs wont be eather, but i still have looked into health and temperment on laceys parents and grandparents ect.. and knew the breeder for a couple years before i got her. i found with akc breeders it was really hard to find one that would allow me to breed even once to share with my family if i chose to. i wanted akc but to get one to breed seemed nearly impossable. also i hear alot on yt go to dog shows get to know the breeders, where i live there really arent alot of dog shows to go to so unless i travel out of state i cant attend dog shows.

I dont think it was a question of akc or not... There are tons of akc registred pups that do not meet the standard... It isnt hard to find an akc registerd pup with full breeding rights, the hard part is finding a "show quality" pup...

[yorkiesjs]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I think that if you're interested in breeding, the best thing you can do is start attending shows and find a show breeder who is willing to mentor you. The purpose of breeding any breed should be to improve that breed and to breed to the standard. By breeding non-show quality (or pet quality) dogs, you are not breeding to the standard and definitely not improving the breed. The majority of breeders, including those on YT, are not show-breeders...that is why there are so many yorkies out there that do not meet the yorkie standard. That's also why so many of our yorkies have genetic problems. Yorkies are so overbred now that many don't even look like yorkies anymore.

This is very well said and is true please breed to improve the breed there are ton's of breeder's out there that only do it for the $ and this is hurting the yorkie breed.There are so many things that can go wrong in breeding and heartache. To breed takes years of studying and always learning to do the best for this awesome breed.But right now with soooooo many breeding it is scary to think of what is coming down the road for this breed.Please get a mentor ..JMO Shawn

[crystalsmom]

I thought this might be interesting to look at some of the famous Yorkshire Terriers of the past and their pedigree

http://www.yorkshire-terrier.com/famous-peds.htm

Ben was born in 1865 and was the one who started the yorkie as we know it today. check the birthdate on each.

[scoobiedooiscoo]

Originally Posted by kelsie123186

I dont think it was a question of akc or not... There are tons of akc registred pups that do not meet the standard... It isnt hard to find an akc registerd pup with full breeding rights, the hard part is finding a "show quality" pup...

this was before i knew about yt... it really wasnt easy to find a female puppy that had full breeding rights with a breeder that i felt comfy with unless you have alot of money. almost everyone i talked to wanted extra for breeding rights. really what i dont understand is if a dog isnt of show quality then why do breeders want extra for breeding rights. like i said for me i only wanted to breed once and if thnigs went well i wanted to give my parents a puppy and if there was more then one my sister. but the breeders that i talked to that had females wanted extra or said no the puppy has to be or already was spayed. i really wanted to be a responsible yorkie mom and get one that was akc so i would feel better about breeding it i would at least know all lines were clean. eather way i got lacey who isnt akc but in my eyes is perfect and we know she is healthy so for me thats really all that counts. i still dont know for sure if i will ever breed her because i love her so much and dont know if i want to take that chance. now that i have found YT i know there are breeders out there that are willing to work with others i may have just had really bad timing and luck when i was looking.

[alex_143]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I thought this might be interesting to look at some of the famous Yorkshire Terriers of the past and their pedigree

http://www.yorkshire-terrier.com/famous-peds.htm

Ben was born in 1865 and was the one who started the yorkie as we know it today. check the birthdate on each.

where would i be able to find a yorkie thats related to that first yorkie Huddersfield Ben???

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Very unusual, because of the AKC rules they could be within their rights only to allow dogs in that are entered. I have witnessed them go around the grooming set ups and check, as well as checking with spectators.

Yeah i was kindof surprised but happy that I could take Lacy with me since I was going to be there all day.

The website for the show was www.reliantdogshows.com and I looked in the FAQ section http://www.reliantdogshows.com/faq.html and it said this:

May I bring my dog?

The competitions are only for dogs that have been pre-entered. If you are coming to receive an ILP certificate, you must bring the dog. You may also bring your dog for special fittings of canine sportswear or collars. We do not offer any "social" activities for family pets so do not expect to find the equivalent of a dog park. If you do bring your pet, we ask that he be at least 6 months old; have all of the the proper vaccinations; and be under control at all times.



So most shows don't allow spectators to bring their pets?

[stedmansmommy]

Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

Not every dog that meets the standard is show quality. Show quality is the best of the best and that is why they deserve to be in the ring. Just because they are not show quality does not mean they arent bred to standard as you are implying. I think that is the point Sugars mom is trying to get across.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Yeah i was kindof surprised but happy that I could take Lacy with me since I was going to be there all day.

The website for the show was www.reliantdogshows.com and I looked in the FAQ section http://www.reliantdogshows.com/faq.html and it said this:

May I bring my dog?

The competitions are only for dogs that have been pre-entered. If you are coming to receive an ILP certificate, you must bring the dog. You may also bring your dog for special fittings of canine sportswear or collars. We do not offer any "social" activities for family pets so do not expect to find the equivalent of a dog park. If you do bring your pet, we ask that he be at least 6 months old; have all of the the proper vaccinations; and be under control at all times.



So most shows don't allow spectators to bring their pets?

Only the dogs that are being shown are actually approved to enter the exhibitors buildings. Often exhibitors will bring dogs and puppies theyre not showing (crated) to ready them for the ring side noises or to have other exhibitors evaluate their pup or puppies.

Reasoning behind "no pets allowed" is because of health and welfare of the exhibitors dogs. Family pets, large and small are not often used to the chaos, some can insight bad behavior, some can bring in health problems.

This being said, every show Ive attended or particapted in Ive not seen pets banned or asked to leave.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Only the dogs that are being shown are actually approved to enter the exhibitors buildings. Often exhibitors will bring dogs and puppies theyre not showing (crated) to ready them for the ring side noises or to have other exhibitors evaluate their pup or puppies.

Reasoning behind "no pets allowed" is because of health and welfare of the exhibitors dogs. Family pets, large and small are not often used to the chaos, some can insight bad behavior, some can bring in health problems.

This being said, every show Ive attended or particapted in Ive not seen pets banned or asked to leave.

The vendors, exhibitors and show rings were all in one large building - just spread out over a large space. There were several dogs there that weren't being shown or entered in other events like agility or obedience. I was with a group of four women and we had 5 yorkies total and we weren't stopped from taking them anywhere. We had them with us while walking through the vendors, had them with us ring-side, and walked through all the exhibitors with them. Maybe this doesn't happen at every show but it did at this one

[feminvstr]

Just received my YT mag today, there is worth while articles for EVERYONE to read...

"The making of a show puppy" by Doreen Hubbard

as well there "Number two" by Janet Jackson

discussing that yorkie is #2 in the nation and the revision of the standard.

one small excerpt; Yorkshire Terrier must always have the pattern described in the standard and never comes in "rare gold" "solid blue" "chocolate and tan" "parti" or any other new and different color.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

The vendors, exhibitors and show rings were all in one large building - just spread out over a large space. There were several dogs there that weren't being shown or entered in other events like agility or obedience. I was with a group of four women and we had 5 yorkies total and we weren't stopped from taking them anywhere. We had them with us while walking through the vendors, had them with us ring-side, and walked through all the exhibitors with them. Maybe this doesn't happen at every show but it did at this one

think you missed my last sentence....

"every show Ive attended or particapted in Ive not seen pets banned or asked to leave"

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

think you missed my last sentence....

"every show Ive attended or particapted in Ive not seen pets banned or asked to leave"

I just meant that this show actually said it allowed people to bring pets on the website. This is what the FAQ section of the show site said:

May I bring my dog?

The competitions are only for dogs that have been pre-entered. If you are coming to receive an ILP certificate, you must bring the dog. You may also bring your dog for special fittings of canine sportswear or collars. We do not offer any "social" activities for family pets so do not expect to find the equivalent of a dog park. If you do bring your pet, we ask that he be at least 6 months old; have all of the the proper vaccinations; and be under control at all times.

[crystalsmom]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Just received my YT mag today, there is worth while articles for EVERYONE to read...

"The making of a show puppy" by Doreen Hubbard

as well there "Number two" by Janet Jackson

discussing that yorkie is #2 in the nation and the revision of the standard.

one small excerpt; Yorkshire Terrier must always have the pattern described in the standard and never comes in "rare gold" "solid blue" "chocolate and tan" "parti" or any other new and different color.

What do they mean by "rare gold" is that the redish gold??