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Old 08-23-2007, 03:33 PM   #1
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I have a situation that is very concerning to me. Let me start from the beginning; We recently lost our ten year old Yorkie to cancer. Most of you know this as I posted as we went through surgery, recurrance, and testing and then had to have him p.t.s. Our family has been devestated about this and so I called the woman that I got my Jersey from to see if I could put my name on her list for a future litter. Just in case, we may be ready.

Here is the problem I am having. 1. She lives in our neighborhood and this creates some difficulty in reporting, but I'm willing to do it anyway for the sake of the Yorkies etc. 2. Our Bella came from her four years ago. At that time I was extremely annoyed with her to say the least. Bella was infested with fleas and sold way too young. She told us Bella came from an accidental breeding. Acted as if she never bred before. At this time I chose to just discuss with her, how bad it is to allow her dogs to become so infested with fleas and to sell them so young. I did this as I felt sorry for her because her husband had a bad stroke and she worked full time etc. and I felt that perhaps all this came about because there was no one there to really give the care. She seemed honest and she seemed concerned with her dogs and was appologetic. Now the current situtation....

When Newman was diagnosed with cancer, I was devestated. Hubby and my sons saw an ad in the paper for Yorkie pups. It was the same woman we got Bella from. They decided to check her out again, to surprise me for Mother's Day. Jersey was fine. No parasites, healthy, no fleas. I figured she cleaned her act up and was doing the right thing. She was also using my vet who I trust and have had for 10 years. I don't think they are thrilled with her, as I found out when I took Jersey in for an exam. The papers I got from Jersey had the wrong mother named. Our vet suggested that I contact them and demand the right papers. I did speak to her about this and I was shocked that she actually admitted putting the wrong mother down. She said and I quote "I had to list this mother because the REAL mother is not AKC. She is (I think she said) ACA (or something like that). So what she did was falsify the papers. Honestly, I was pissed that she was not honest with me, but I only paid $750 for her and papers were never an issue for me. I still feel that the price was fair and she's beautiful, healthy and we love her and we had no intention on breeding her as she's six months old now and only 4 lbs. However, with all of that said, I still don't think it's right that she falsifies papers but would not have made an issue out of that except now due to the conversation I just recently had....

Now, the conversation that I recently had that is upsetting me so much. A few days ago, I called as I said to inquire about future litters and to see if I could be put on a list in case we may be ready then. I was told that so and so was pregnant and they did not have a due date yet but she was expecting. Well "So and So" (I don't want to say by name) is NINE YEARS OLD. She is Bella's mom. This to me is TERRIBLE! Way to old to breed a dog. AND, to make matters worse when I asked who the father was they said "Well blah blah is on the papers." And, I said "Well is this the actual father or just who is on the papers." I was told "I don't know. I only know what was put on the papers." This was the woman's son I was speaking with. He's a teenager and seems to handle most of the business now, since his mom is a nurse and father ill.

I'm feelling like this is a very dishonest breeder who is not only falsifying papers but also who is breeding dogs way too old to breed. The father is also around 9 yrs. old. Someone who does not care about anything but the $$ and I'm worried about the Yorkies she has.

The laws do not protect these dogs, but was wondering if or how to report them for falsifying papers. I thought by doing this, it may shut them right down and stop her from breeding these poor old gals.

I can't say the parents are not kept. They "SEEM" taken care of. And I say that loosely. Not to my standards but better then a backyard breeder would.

I'm really upset not so much about the papers quite honestly, but more for the poor dogs they are breeding so old. I don't know what AKC allows but I'm trying to see if I can report them in hopes of preventing them from breeding dogs so old.

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How do I complain to the AKC about a breeder?
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You will need to write a letter giving the details of the situation and copies of any documents you have. Please provide the full names, addresses, and phone numbers of everyone involved, including you. You will need to fax or mail that letter and copies of all related documents to:

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I realize you are concerned about the welfare of her dogs and I commend you for this..but why go back for another pup when this breeder admiits to fraud and deception. AKC will do more then shake a finger at her...she will lose her privileges until her records are corrected and DNA is done..but it will not stop her from breeding and registering all with ACA..CKC or any other "hocus pocus" kennel club.
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I hope you do your best and try and report this...but I too reported a breeder for unethical practices...Basically this breeder and I talked before the puppies were born, and she said she didn't know if they'd be pure yorkie or a yorkie mix. She said she didn't know that her dog was in heat, and found it tied with a rat terrier! Then the next day she took it to the stud dog, and they tied as well. Well, a few weeks later I talked with her again, and she said they were all pure yorkie, and I asked how she knew? Had she had then DNA tested already? And she said "I just know. I can tell!" which wasn't good enough for me! I brought up what she had told me before about the rat terrier, and she hazily denied all of that, but I know what she told me! So she was selling a multi-sired litter by two breeds of dogs, and selling them for a price and with the belief that they were purebred-along with the AKC papers! I was furious, and I reported her to AKC.

AKC told me that they would not even investigate it unless I had purchased a dog from the litter in question, had reasonable suspicion that my dog was not purebred, and then had it DNA'ed by AKC!

One would think AKC would be looking out for bad breeder behavior, but there's not a lot they can do unless they break the law, through fraud or some other actual crime It's sad!
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Hi Yorkie Rose. I have no intention on buy ANY pup for her again. I did contact her a few days ago to inquire - even though I did know that Jersey's mother was put down wrong on the papers. Maybe, poor judgement, but as I said papers were never important to me. I just wanted a healthy pup which Jersey is. At this point my concern is for the old gals she is breeding and felt that maybe, by reporting the papers as being falsified which they are that that would have AKC suspend her and prevent her from breeding anymore. Again, my concern is for the dogs. Elaine
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I hope you follow through and report her for fake paperwork. Some people just don't care do they?
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I have a situation that is very concerning to me. Let me start from the beginning; We recently lost our ten year old Yorkie to cancer. Most of you know this as I posted as we went through surgery, recurrance, and testing and then had to have him p.t.s. Our family has been devestated about this and so I called the woman that I got my Jersey from to see if I could put my name on her list for a future litter. Just in case, we may be ready.

Here is the problem I am having. 1. She lives in our neighborhood and this creates some difficulty in reporting, but I'm willing to do it anyway for the sake of the Yorkies etc. 2. Our Bella came from her four years ago. At that time I was extremely annoyed with her to say the least. Bella was infested with fleas and sold way too young. She told us Bella came from an accidental breeding. Acted as if she never bred before. At this time I chose to just discuss with her, how bad it is to allow her dogs to become so infested with fleas and to sell them so young. I did this as I felt sorry for her because her husband had a bad stroke and she worked full time etc. and I felt that perhaps all this came about because there was no one there to really give the care. She seemed honest and she seemed concerned with her dogs and was appologetic. Now the current situtation....

When Newman was diagnosed with cancer, I was devestated. Hubby and my sons saw an ad in the paper for Yorkie pups. It was the same woman we got Bella from. They decided to check her out again, to surprise me for Mother's Day. Jersey was fine. No parasites, healthy, no fleas. I figured she cleaned her act up and was doing the right thing. She was also using my vet who I trust and have had for 10 years. I don't think they are thrilled with her, as I found out when I took Jersey in for an exam. The papers I got from Jersey had the wrong mother named. Our vet suggested that I contact them and demand the right papers. I did speak to her about this and I was shocked that she actually admitted putting the wrong mother down. She said and I quote "I had to list this mother because the REAL mother is not AKC. She is (I think she said) ACA (or something like that). So what she did was falsify the papers. Honestly, I was pissed that she was not honest with me, but I only paid $750 for her and papers were never an issue for me. I still feel that the price was fair and she's beautiful, healthy and we love her and we had no intention on breeding her as she's six months old now and only 4 lbs. However, with all of that said, I still don't think it's right that she falsifies papers but would not have made an issue out of that except now due to the conversation I just recently had....

Now, the conversation that I recently had that is upsetting me so much. A few days ago, I called as I said to inquire about future litters and to see if I could be put on a list in case we may be ready then. I was told that so and so was pregnant and they did not have a due date yet but she was expecting. Well "So and So" (I don't want to say by name) is NINE YEARS OLD. She is Bella's mom. This to me is TERRIBLE! Way to old to breed a dog. AND, to make matters worse when I asked who the father was they said "Well blah blah is on the papers." And, I said "Well is this the actual father or just who is on the papers." I was told "I don't know. I only know what was put on the papers." This was the woman's son I was speaking with. He's a teenager and seems to handle most of the business now, since his mom is a nurse and father ill.

I'm feelling like this is a very dishonest breeder who is not only falsifying papers but also who is breeding dogs way too old to breed. The father is also around 9 yrs. old. Someone who does not care about anything but the $$ and I'm worried about the Yorkies she has.

The laws do not protect these dogs, but was wondering if or how to report them for falsifying papers. I thought by doing this, it may shut them right down and stop her from breeding these poor old gals.

I can't say the parents are not kept. They "SEEM" taken care of. And I say that loosely. Not to my standards but better then a backyard breeder would.

I'm really upset not so much about the papers quite honestly, but more for the poor dogs they are breeding so old. I don't know what AKC allows but I'm trying to see if I can report them in hopes of preventing them from breeding dogs so old.

Elaine

Well, my question is: Why would you buy a dog "AGAIN" from these people anyway?? I mean, you already knew the type of dishonest breeders...I mean, I do not want to be rude with you and of course I do not even know these people but if I would have had the type of experience you already had, I WOULD NEVER buy again from them. And YES I would report them to AKC!
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I know your concern is for the dogs...I mentioned that in my first post...you can report her. They will not stop her from breeding her 9 yr old bitch, that is not an AKC violation..but they will inpsect her records if you make a complaint..and she will not be able to register any litters if they find violations..best wishes
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"Well, my question is: Why would you buy a dog "AGAIN" from these people anyway?? I mean, you already knew the type of dishonest breeders...I mean, I do not want to be rude with you and of course I do not even know these people but if I would have had the type of experience you already had, I WOULD NEVER buy again from them. And YES I would report them to AKC!"
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Dorian. I already answered this by saying that I WOULD NOT BUY AGAIN from these people (See My second post)

I should have been clearer in my original post by saying that ALL I REALLY WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE A COMPLAINT TO AKC, and TXSHOPPER answered that for me. Thank you TXSHOPPER.

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Sorry if I upset you by posting my experience. I just didn't want you to get your hopes up that AKC would actually investigate this breeder...I was very disappointed when they told me there was nothing they could do when I thought her story was REALLY questionable.

I do think you should at least try-maybe if they get more than one complaint about her on file, they may investigate.
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Suzy. I wasn't upset by anyone's posting. Well, Dorian a little and that's why I wrote what I did. I kinda felt as though she was jumping on me for calling about a pup from this woman after knowing that my girl's mom wasn't listed right. I'm a big advocate against puppymills and back yard breeders and I feel badly that I didn't see that this is what this woman was. I'm usually pretty savvy but I just didn't get any red flags until a few days ago. The papers was a bit shady but right or wrong the papers weren't a concern for me. When I buy a dog (Which I don't often do - really have rescues) My ONLY concern is whether the parents are cared for and the pups are cared for. Papers mean nothing to me.

I made poor judgment not in calling her again after the paper work situation but by not seeing the red flag in that she over breeds her babies. Maybe some dont' agree with my oppinion about the paperwork and that's fine. I just really wanted to know how to go about filing a complain and that's why I posted in detail. Wasn't sure if it was a legitimate complaint or not - one that AKC would listen to.

Again, I wasn't offended by the posts.

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The reason I brought up the paperwork, was because I know that that is my only grounds of complaint with AKC and I thought that if it was founded then she would be unable to register anymore litters and in turn stop breeding. Elaine
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Elaine if you want to expose her, identify her kennel name in the breeder review section for future Yorkie purchasers. That will probably hurt her as much as reporting her to AKC.
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Thank you Scrapindee. I will do that. I feel really bad because I had given her name to a couple of people looking. That won't happen again. I'll look on Jersey's papers and see what the kennel name is. Thanks again. Elaine
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I think if her paperwork is not in order she can also be fined up to 250.00 per dog. I could be wrong and correct me if I am, but this was what I've been told by another breeder.
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