I think I just bought a puppy mill Pup :(

[Peters]

mine were about 3lb at 12 weeks and now are 8.5 and 9.6 lbs i dont see one at 11 weeks weighing 7 lbs? either way the larger size yorkies are just as beautiful sorry youbought from someone like that but a puppy is hard to deny no matter where they come from . when you hav a gut feeling something isn't right most likely it just isn't

[Lovin' Gracie]

Gracie was a Christmas present for my daughter and it was definitely too cold for her to go outside (she only weighed 15 oz.). We did train her to the pee pads---it took a while, punkie, so don't give up! Giving her a treat when she was "good girl" definitely worked, but she would have accidents every once in a while until she was about 3--but she was pretty much trained entirely to the pads by 4 mos. or so. Now we are so grateful she's trained to the pads because we can take her anywhere--throw down a pad--and she's fine. It's also easier when we're not home. She has the run of the house and always uses her pads if she needs to.

[littlewhip]

I have used the crate traning for all 4 of mine, i found it to be the best and easiest way, even molly who is only 4 & 1/2 moths is fully crate trained, good luck to you

[red98vett]

I feel so sorry for the little yorkies that don't get the love they should get because of a few pounds.

We are weight obsessed when we should be HEALTH obsessed - IF that darling little puppy is healthy then you're already doing way better than so many others that get new puppies that turn out to be ill.

I wish him all the best and if you can't bond with him then it IS best you find him a new home where someone will love him for what he is. He's very cute - and those breeders do sound terrible -

[Uno baby]

Originally Posted by punkie

Has anyone here heard of Phil Gaidy or Doreen Deketelaere? I bought a male Yorkie pup from a man named Phil Gaidy about a week ago. He is located in Nobleton Ontario. I paid $1200 for the 10 week old pup. He had originally asked for $1400 on the phone and when I went to see the puppy, he said $1300. I told him I only had $1200 to spend and he went for it.

I was told on the phone that the pup would grow up to be about 2.5 lbs. Then when I got to the breeder's place, he brought me out two males to choose from and wouldn't let me in the house. His house stank really badly and I saw some dogs in cages through the door. I asked him if he kept his dogs in cages and he said that they liked to be confined to their crates throughout the day. I picked one of the pups and this time he told me that the pup would grow to be 3 lbs. I asked to see the mom and dad and he said that they were both away being bred at the time and showed me a couple of pictures on printer paper.
He also told me on the phone that the puppy would be micro chipped, but didn't mention anything about it when I got there. I asked him to guarantee that the dog wouldn't be more than 3 lbs and he said that he would guarantee that it wouldn't be more than 4 lbs.

Even though this guy sounded fishy, the puppy looked so tiny and I thought that at the worst possibility, I would be saving a little dog from a bad breeder.

The next day I took the puppy to my vet and she said it would grow to be 6 or 7 lbs and maybe even more. I called the breeder and told him that I had paid him for a 3 lbs dog and not a 7 lbs one. He told me he could get me a smaller teacup dog next weekend. I asked him how many litters he has in a year and he said about 16!

This guy also breeds English Bulldogs, Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier, Maltese and Poodles. This is his website: http://www.fairwinds1.piczo.com/?cr=3&rfm=y .

I got suspicious and googled his name and it came up on a site called Puppy Mill Detective: http://jowlflapper.com/phpBB2/viewto...654ba695bf7b8a .

Also his wife or partner named Doreen Deketelaere is mentioned. This is her website: http://www.pupbones.piczo.com/?cr=7&rfm=y .

I'm not sure what to do now. I like my puppy and he is a cute, seemingly healthy little fellow, but my heart was set on a much smaller dog. But I don't want to exchange him for a smaller one either because that would mean giving him back to a possible puppy mill and who knows what will happen to him.

Can anyone give me any advice or ideas as to what I should do?

A good, reputable breeder will let you come inside, see the parents, and will let you see/ask whatever you want. They will have nothing to hide, and be proud of their facility. First thing I would do is call some sort of official and have him checked out. Usually if they are breeding multiple breeds and keeping them all confined in cages all day they are in it for the money and not to provide healthy babies. Also, there is no such thing as a "tea cup" yorkie. Health can become an issue when you go under 3 pounds, I hate hate hate when "breeders" try to breed as small as they can. Even if your pup gets to be 4, 5, 6, 7 pounds that is still so small! Having a slightly bigger dog is actually nice because then you don't feel like you have to treat them like glass. Another part that worries me is that he could "get you" a teacup...where does he have them stashed away?? Always go with your gut, it never fails you. If I were you (although I know it would be hard) I would have someone go check him out.

My breeder was so good about having a good relationship with me, and we were in contact before my pup was even born. I would love up that yorkie you have. He for sure has a better home with you than this guy......good luck and keep us posted.

[crystalsmom]

If you read through the posts you will see that Punky is aware of her mistakes and we all make them from time to time and has decided to keep her pup.

[Uno baby]

haha I was reading through and then I can't help it...I get the urge to post!

[Uno baby]

Originally Posted by punkie

Thank you This is my first Yorkie and I'm kind of out of my league I think. I never had a small dog before. But I have all of you to ask for advice
I will definitely keep ebay in mind if he gets to be chubster, LOL. Thank you.

Uno is my first Yorkie (first dog, too) and I totally relate with the no sleep part...I have had him two weeks now, and i'm so tired. . . ...He can be SOOOOO frustrating at times, but then what fun would an easy going-do what I say-dog be?? ......wait...............actually that sounds pretty good.......lol

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

If you read through the posts you will see that Punky is aware of her mistakes and we all make them from time to time and has decided to keep her pup.

oh good - I hope he's everything she wants in a dog. A few pounds or ounces really doesn't make up a personality and anyone who's had yorkies know the smaller and larger dogs have some BIG personality

[stewartslucy]

I only read this thread as far as page 3...


my reaction is this-

wouldn't it be great if here on YT there was information posted on a thread on how to find and buy a yorkie in the correct way?
How to avoid puppy mills and scammers too.

With the internet explosion, you would think it would be easy to find a healthy pet, but I think it can make it harder because so many unethical people can hide behind the world wide web.


I wish punkie would have googled the seller's name before going out to visit.
It might have saved the trip.

There were so many red flags going up yet punkie proceeded.

Maybe if punkie could have read up here on how to find a dog,

it would be another step in educating buyers and eliminating puppy mills.

Right now, you would have to read on a regular basis to find out info on how to find your dog and find it buried all over the place.

It seems a lot of us find YT when we begin searching for a pet.

[crystalsmom]

I so agree Villette, a couple extra pounds just gives you just that more to love.

[red98vett]

There is HELP in the Yorkies For Sale Section - unfortunately - most people find this site AFTER they've bought a puppy or have problems -
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45984

[punkie]

Originally Posted by spr377

I would try feeding the Innova alone and not mixed at this point. If the bloody stools exist after he has been eating Innova alone, time for another switch. Small dogs tend to have more sensitive stomachs.....I wouldn't worry, this is very normal. I tried a couple of foods before I hit on Innova! I now have a litter of puppies. Two little boys! They will started on Innova as soon as they are weaned. These puppies will be sold, however, I will be sending a weeks worth of food with them to their new homes!! They won't be leaving me til around 12 weeks of age. (here long enough for me to start spoiling the sweet little guys!) WWW.charmedyorkies.com

I looked on your website and your dogs are so gorgeous

We went to the bathroom a couple of times again yesterday and today and his stool is looking normal now. He also seems to like his food a lot and is his normal happy self. I think he just took a couple of days to adjust to the food and he seems fine now.

[punkie]

Originally Posted by pepe mint

i have crate trained all of my dogs. maggie is 10 months old and RARELY in her crate. i find that crate training them IS easier and they learn to hold it for longer periods of time once they are used to it. and it really doesn't take long for them to catch on. they recommend every 3 hours so that the dog is going outside often enough to make it to outside...then they learn that outside is where they potty, not inside. and if you stick to a schedule like every 3 hours, they get comfortable and KNOW that you are going to take them out...that they don't need to freak out and pee...that if they just hold it a little, that you are going to take them out. dogs are creatures of habit...you set the habit, they will follow it. they will adapt to it. so find a schedule that works for both of you, stick to it, and before you know it, you will not be going out every 3 hours, as the dog will learn to hold it and will also trust that you will be taking him out soon.

i also highly recommend the crate training. plus it makes it a lot easier if they are used to their crate, in case you ever do have to crate them for some other reason...like when they get spayed/neutered, travel, are sick, injured, or even at the groomer. maggie has come to LOVE her crate. it is her special "place" that no one else is allowed to be in or near LOL

He has never gone to the bathrooom outside so far. Even though we've taken him out, he just never goes potty outside. I think he doesn't realize that he can go, LOL. As soon as we bring him home from the walk, he goes on his pads. He is getting used to going on his pads, but prefers carpet sometimes
I think we will start crate training and see where it goes. He is starting to get used to his crate though. He goes in it by himself now. Thanks for the feedback

[punkie]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

In my experience it has to be one or the other. Not both.

Pad training/litter box training takes due diligence and can be done while using crate training as a means of control until it is time to go, just have no pads or bedding in there (except perhaps a white towel, if you notice it's being pottied on outside of the schedule you're trying to set, then your pup doesn't get any bedding at all.). And instead of taking your puppy outside, you take them to the pads, which I usually advise...especially for boys...is that you place your pee pads inside a large size cat litter box so he/she has to make an effort to get into the box before eliminating thereby eliminating accidents on the edges of the pads and creating a mess on your floor. Some males will get half in and half out before going pee. If that happens, you can raise the litter pan just another half inch off the ground to ensure they get all the way in.

There are plenty of ways to get done what you'd like to get done.
Feel free to e-mail me (faster response) anytime.

topsredhead@yahoo.com

~Leslie

I think we will start crate training him to go on the pads like you said. Because in the winter, it really is too cold for him I think to go outside. When we used to have a dane and took him out on cold days, we only ever saw the big dogs going potty outside. It's just too cold for a small dog I think. Putting the pee pads in a littler pan is a great idea! I'm glad you suggested that because he goes on the edges all the time and sometimes not quite on the pad at all. We will try that for sure. Thanks a lot for the info and the email I hope you won't mind if I bother you with questions