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Michiko, you DO NOT and SHOULD NOT have to justify why you want your papers. You paid for them, and you want them, and you shouldn't have to explain yourself for it. Still no word? Misty |
Francie, bottom line is this. It wouldn't matter if Michiko got her papers and tossed them in the trash 2 minutes later or put them aside and never even opened the envelope to look at them. She PAID for them and she should get them. It is her business what she does with them and since she said she paid top dollar for the puppy then she should get everything that was promised to her in regard to that puppy. I guarantee you that if Stacy or even myself bought an AKC dog and didnt receive the papers and got nothing but being ignored, neither one of us would have been near as polite as Michiko has been. |
QUOTE] Nikki+2 Michiko, you did everything you could do- it is very obvious to most of us here that this post was your last resort and I am so sorry you are going through this. I think a few people are being argumentative in an attempt to get your thread locked. QUOTE] Oh for petes sakes! How did you come up with that?? Nobody is championing anyone, nobody is trying to get the thread locked. Frankly, I could care less about Sylvan Yorkies, I have no opinion of her that I would be willing to share. I simply stated my opinion on how it was handled. Put it in the breeder review and be done with it. Please point out where anyone has ever once said Michiko is not entitiled to her papers? |
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If the dog was not to be AKC papered..then I'd want to pay that price. And as for.. "getting both sides of the story"... hmmm, guessing that is going to happen, since it hasn't by now- which says a lot.. imo. |
Whether buying for pet or show in the US, if you are buying an AKC registered puppy or dog, papers should be provided to the new owner. The AKC Registration is NOT something to be frivilous about in my opinion. They are supposed to be verification of purebred status of the puppy you have bought. It is not just a birth certificate. It lists the registration number of the puppy or dog you purchases, the registered name, the registration names and numbers of sire and dam, the name of the breeder and your name as the owner. In Canada under our Canadian Kennel Club regulations, any breeder selling a puppy as purebred must be registerable under CKC and with any breeder as a member in good standing witht he Canadian Kennel Club, I am required to register my litter, register each individual puppy and put through the transfer to the new owner at my expense at no extra cost to the buyer. If I do not meet these requirements, I can be fined by the CKC and will lose my priviledges with the CKC until the papers are provided to the buyer. Consider that it costs me about $50 per puppy to do all the registrations. It is less than that in the US as the AKC fees are less than ours. So the excuse to not provide registrations would be???? If a purebred breeder is questionable, DNA testing can be done on progeny and parents, if matches aren't met to who the parents are on the certificate and/or the puppy or dog may not actually be purebred, the registration is revoked. I believe that is also the case under AKC. As I understand it, the AKC has started in the last few years to advise anyone buying a AKC registered puppy to insist on the registration paper from the breeder. That is supposed to be provided at no extra cost to the buyer of the puppy or dog. What I do here, is provide the contract which is also a receipt which says on it that the registration papers will be provided within six months of the date of sale. That you need to have from the breeder in writing to pursue it either with the AKC or in court if you don't get the registration. I don't worry about spay/neuter as it is done before a puppy is sold in most cases. On occasion, if I sell a puppy between 4 and 6 months, it is in the contract for spay/neuter and I can write in that it must be done before registration papers will be provided. I don't sell less than 4 mos of age. I don't ship so easy enough to follow up. |
Michiko, I hope everything works out for you as I would be :mad:, :confused: and dissapointed. There are two sides to every story and hopefully the breeders story will come out to disspell any negativity said against her. I agree to disagree with diva pup below where she is saying: "Bad news travels fast in the dog world and even if Sylvan gets back to you with a logical reason her reputation is ruined on the net". People will judge Sylvan because they are intitled to their own opinions. If you are a breeder people depend on you for answers after they've made a valuable purchase. If a person is constantly contacting the breeder, there should've been some type of communication. We ruin our own reputations and it is up to us to salvage them. According to some of these replies, people have had problems with Sylvan before. This one email won't taint the breeders reputation, this is one yorkie owner who got fed up and typed about it. Imagine how many may be out there that aren't on here that are :mad: . Imagine how many are on here that don't want to type about it. It is up to the breeder to salvage her business and save her reputation, has she done that? She doesn't owe us an explanation, but word of mouth can kill a business. Michiko could be the one to come back on here and say, hey guys, I was wrong! Sylvan took great care of me, explained everything and I got my papers. People would then judge Sylvan on the fact that she finally came thru. But for weeks there was no reply till recently via email in a format that was hard to view.:confused: That would've been an insult to my intelligence, but there are others who would just let it go. Michiko, this is a message board about yorkies, and you should've been able to type out about it as you did. Everyone is intitled to their opinions thereafter. Good luck to you and hopefully the breeder will have a heart and take care of this. |
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Everyone on Yorkietalk is a family, yes there are ALOT of disagreements on here but I am sorry this isn't a disagreement and we don't need two sides of a story. This is a business agreement, if people are going to become breeders and sell the puppies, then they need to hold up there part of the agreement, just as the buyer has to hold up there end..People pay alot of money for good ethical breeders..Just as a buyer goes to a breeder they are given the 3rd degree and check out to make sure they will be a worthy owner of a puppy, so in return the buyer has to do alot of research on a breeder to see if they are breeding to standard, and aren't a puppy mill...What I have seen over the years about Stacy is she isn't a puppy mill and she is a very good breeder, but she does need to hold up her end of the contract. She had the baby spayed per contract, and so now she should send her the papers. I could understand if it has only been a month but its been longer, no matter who side of the story we hear, the papers should have been sent in a timely fashion.Yorkietalk has been great about people posting their puppies for people to buy and if your going to post for sale and expect top dollar than you need to stand behind your contract. As for AKC papers, it might not mean alot to some people, but it does to some. I have read over & over many times on here to only get AKC, because they have standards they have to uphold . As for as paper the bathroom that was uncalled for, I am sure if you bought something and it wasn't what you paid for you would be very upset and would try to find help on fixing the problem, you would first go to the place you bought and if you didn't get any response or help, then you would go to the place that had it advertised. So you could tell others of the problem you are having. As for as a pack going in for the kill, I don't think anyone has said anything bad, if your going to post on here for sale then when the sale goes bad, or if there is a problem with the puppy then you have the right to post on here, you bought it on here, good, bad, or ugly you should have a right to post if there is a problem. I hope the problem will be taken care of soon for all concerned. :( |
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AKC's job is keeping records and that is why recording this is necessary. How can we track a pedigree for health reasons etc if it is not there. All AKC litters must be registered. |
I just wanted to say that in the beginning and for the most part this thread has been very honest and civil, minus a few posters. i have not seen anyone bashing stacy ... the only thing pple have referred to stacy is to ask her to talk to the people trying to get a hold of her. that was it.. ANYWAYS michiko (btw love your name :) )I am so sorry you and others are going through a difficult time. but if you paid for an AKC dog you deserve what you paid for and it was a business deal that must be upheld. i have too read your threads about your long journey to find haruka, and it was very heartwarming, and reminds how much time is needed to find the right puppy for anyone. i also commend you on your way of dealing this and how you've held onto your optimistic view throught this whole experience. kalina, sorry you are going through this too... hopefully everything will be resolved for you too. timmy, i will be thinking of you and lilly and send lots of prayers for your appt and surgery coming up. she sure is lucky to have found you as a yorkie-parent. lots of yorkie hugs and kisses to you all from kikko and me!!! |
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As far as the "championing" comment you are right,it was not yours, I was just attempting to condense my post. Dawn~aka the "cute" one |
C'mon ladies, play nice. :p There's no reason to attack each other. If this doesn't stop, I'm pretty sure admin will close the thread. I'm sure things will eventually be worked out. |
Oh and for the record there are plenty of BYB's and yes even puppymills:eek: that have AKC papers. So do not put too much stock in AKC papers meaning you have a well bred dog. Just wanted to clear up that misconception. |
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Hi Glo, am so glad you finally wrote this so people would know the truth . . . I know that the breeder is beloved by so many on this site but this is a public forum and it is just fair that such an experience be known so others may learn and be more cautious when dealing with ANY breeder. Michiko, I hope you do get your papers soon :animal-pa |
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