NODAK's Fiancee

[LullaBelle]

If he didn't care for the pup, he would not have bothered.
Thats not entirely true. There are trolls all over the net.
I am not saying that he is a troll!!!! However at first with that thread he had, I did. I am only being honest.
He came here asking questions yes, that is a plus in his favor, and so did you another plus in favor, but with the other info he provided on little Tanners situation I became very angry and so did allot of others.
" 20 hrs in his crate" "Chris and Heidi time" "just to get away from the dog[it]" that just pushed me over the edge! Since you have read all his other posts I take it you have seen these quotes. My unsolicited advice it take a good long look at the entire situation and then think about Tanners best interest.
We love dogs here.

[kalina82]

i agree this is totally getting out of hand. i'm surprised at what many YT veterans had to say to these two people. I in no way think they are being cruel to Tanner by crating him while they are at work and at night. I do the same with Morgan. Think about it. Alot of people crate their dogs at night. Morgan is in her pen at night for 8-9 hours most of the time. Sometimes she sleeps with me, but most of the time she is in her pen. Morgan also stays in her crate while i'm at work, and that's from 7:30 - 4:30, so another 9 hours. Am i a bad yorkie owner because i crate her for this long? do you want to say that to me as well because i basically do the same as they do? Those that know me on YT know that morgan is very spoiled, and she is also very well trained. So it is possible for a dog to be crated for a long time and also be a very spoiled pup.

I think alot of people on YT forget that yorkies, tho small and very very cute, are Dogs. I mostly treat morgan the same way i would treat another dog that was 10 times her size.

[TLC]

I read that Tanner was in his cage from 10 pm until 5:30 pm - And that they were upset that they had to bath him everyday cause his was lying in his urine and poop.

Sorry, but that's not crate training, IMO that is neglect. And I don't think that's right and it certainly upset me thinking about poor Tanner in that situation.

Then I read that "Chris" usually leaves him in the crate for an additional hour until Heidi gets home - And he wonders why "it" doesn't like him as much as he like Heidi.

He came here for advice, and I hope they stay and learn, but their practices so far on how to treat and train Tanner have upset me and others - B/c we care so much for the wellfare of these little guys.

All these things were posted by them, how could people not comment? This is a public forum.

[Yorkiedaze]

I've been reading all these posts and have only one thing to say. When you have a child that you feed, bathe, buy lots of nice clothes and toys for, it isn't enough unless you take care of their mental and emotional needs as well. If that is not met then I have to say would fall into neglect. I see some fur-kids that are suffering from neglect. Dogs are social animals and not to be locked up in a crate all those hours.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by TLC

I read that Tanner was in his cage from 10 pm until 5:30 pm - And that they were upset that they had to bath him everyday cause his was lying in his urine and poop.

Sorry, but that's not crate training, IMO that is neglect. And I don't think that's right and it certainly upset me thinking about poor Tanner in that situation.

Then I read that "Chris" usually leaves him in the crate for an additional hour until Heidi gets home - And he wonders why "it" doesn't like him as much as he like Heidi.

He came here for advice, and I hope they stay and learn, but their practices so far on how to treat and train Tanner have upset me and others - B/c we care so much for the wellfare of these little guys.

All these things were posted by them, how could people not comment? This is a public forum.

I agree. Before they even got Tanner there was a post about their schedule and how the dog would be out for only a few mins in the morning and then back in while they got ready for work. I posted about how that was not realistic and how I have to let mine out to pee before I even get to go! And I wake up early to give them extra time in the morning to run around, eat their breakfast, etc. They pretty much sleep all day, so I make sure they get to run around in the morning for a little while. I clean their faces, fix Sammy's topknot and play with them so they are good to nap for several hours before my husband has to let them outside again.

Heidi - I think people were as upset at what NODAK said about the way he treated you, as well as how he treated Tanner...

[TLC]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

I've been reading all these posts and have only one thing to say. When you have a child that you feed, bathe, buy lots of nice clothes and toys for, it isn't enough unless you take care of their mental and emotional needs as well. If that is not met then I have to say would fall into neglect. I see some fur-kids that are suffering from neglect. Dogs are social animals and not to be locked up in a crate all those hours.

I totally agree with you.

I myself never used a crate, they have one, but they only have 'cage match wrestling' in it. I contained mine in a spare room while I was at work (for about the first year). Yes, I am gone on average 10 hours a day. Yes, part of thinks they didn't deserve that kind of life, it makes me sad at times, b/c I want them to be around people more...But, now that they have free run down stairs while I am gone, they just sleep the day or look out the window at everything going on outside.

Do mine have some 'mental' problems b/c of this??? Probably so.
I am still battling poop eating (here and there), but it used to be everyday!
TJ barks pretty much at ALL movement outside. Roxy has mild anxiety.

Mental health is just as important as Food/Water/Shelter.

[chardjo]

Originally Posted by Mitzis Mom

"And Chris does love the puppy and want the best for him (we are not rehoming him). Like I've mentioned before we've thrown around the play pen and x-pen idea and we're definitely loving that."

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I meant not rehoming.. BIG TYPO I am sorry!

[chardjo]

Originally Posted by Yorkieluv

Hi Heidi,
If the crate training thing isn't working out, you could try keeping Tanner somewhere like a master bathroom. It should be a big enough area to keep a pee pad, water, bed, food, etc. And the floor is probably tile, so that would work out in case he has an accident. Good luck with the potty training thing!! I know it can be hard sometimes. But it sounds like you are being patient with him. Yorkies are such special little guys aren't they?

I love my little Tanner..
I am thinking more along the lines of an x-pen instead of just putting him in my bathroom.. I wouldn't want him to chew up my cabinets.. He ran free one day in the house and chewed up all of my moldings.

[paulapoo]

Usually I'm at work for 9-10 hours. Mine run free in the house. But I don't have kids so the evenings are spent with my boys. I have been known to turn down evening or weekend plans because that's my time with my boys. Not great for my social life, but I'd rather be at home spending time with them than doing most anything else. I think you can have healthy, socialized dogs even if you work long hours. I don't think they should be crated that long. I don't crate mine, but it's because I couldn't handle listening to them cry, it broke my heart. I want them to sleep with me. And who would guard the neighborhood from my front window if they were in a crate all day?

[chardjo]

Originally Posted by Anna Banana

When I read this post by "Chris" I was just stunned. I see that not only does he treat that precious little puppy like an "it", he treats his fiancee that way too. I suppose there's nothing wrong with it if Heidi doesn't mind, but I certainly couldn't put up with that...

He doesn't ever talk to me like that.. He was just saying this stuff to get your gals riled up.. Trust me.. I would not put up with that. He has learned.

[Anna Banana]

Originally Posted by TLC

I totally agree with you.

I myself never used a crate, they have one, but they only have 'cage match wrestling' in it. I contained mine in a spare room while I was at work (for about the first year). Yes, I am gone on average 10 hours a day. Yes, part of thinks they didn't deserve that kind of life, it makes me sad at times, b/c I want them to be around people more...But, now that they have free run down stairs while I am gone, they just sleep the day or look out the window at everything going on outside.

Do mine have some 'mental' problems b/c of this??? Probably so.
I am still battling poop eating (here and there), but it used to be everyday!
TJ barks pretty much at ALL movement outside. Roxy has mild anxiety.

Mental health is just as important as Food/Water/Shelter.

No, no, no, she wasn't talking about people in your situation at all! You do the best you can for your babies, and we all know that when you're home, you're all theirs, and you love them dearly. Love and affection is what yorkiedaze is talking about. She's talking about being available for them the minute you get home, and loving them. In his first posts, it was clear that Nodak was neglecting these basic needs of Tanner. He is improving by leaps and bounds by just trying to make a better home for Tanner, but its still not healthy for any creature, animal or human to be considered nothing more than an "it."

Thank goodness Chris and Heidi care enough to try to improve.

[chardjo]

Originally Posted by Erin

But crate training is letting your dog out at regular intervals. It's not locking your dog up all day. And you don't put pads in the crate - the crate is so they learn not to eliminate and then you immediately take them outside to the correct place to eliminate. I crate mine when I'm not home, but that's for their safety and usually less than 3 hours a day.

chardjo - You said you want to train him and then let him roam free? That will not happen with your current setup. You need to hire a professional dog walker or take him to doggie daycare or do something. He will not train himself. There are professional dog walkers that are insured and bonded just like a cleaning service Do a little research and I'm sure you'll find a reputable one.

I'm not going to tell you that you shouldn't have a Yorkie. But if you want a reasonably well trained one you need to make sacrifices. When Loki was a puppy we couldn't leave him alone for more than 2 hours. That meant we couldn't even go see a movie for about 6 months. We won't kennel them and don't feel like dumping them on our family so we don't go on vacation unless they come. We leave events early to go home and spend time with them. We *constantly* watch the clock when we are out shopping or whatever to make sure they don't stay in their crates too long. My husband mostly works from home but if he has a meeting or something they go to daycare or I come home from work and let them out at lunch (and give up my lunch to drive 20 mins each way). Yorkies simply cannot be left alone, whether in a crate or a pen or a bathroom, for 10 hours during the day and then all night. (Please clarify - do you work so far away that you can't come home? Why is Chris so opposed to a dog walker?)

Maybe you are willing to make those types of sacrifices, but Chris made it sound like Tanner "it" was in the way of "Chris and Heidi time" and that he could be put away like a doll. He came on a board full of Yorkie lovers - people who spend all day talking about their dogs, posting pictures and videos of their dogs, discussing what their dog's poop should look like (!!!) and he made it very clear that he didn't like your dog, "it". Then he countered every suggestion we had with a reason why that was not possible or why he didn't like that idea. I'm not quite sure what he thought would happen?????

I never said I was crate training him. I found the best way to train him is to give him treats.. He is a really quick learner. He learned sit in one sitting with him. Lay Down is hard.. And stay is getting much better! We have been accident free (potty free) for two days now in the house! And I am enjoying that! I am making great progress. All Tanner wants to do is please me, I definitely see this and he does a great job!

[chardjo]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I didn't see the picture of Tanner...can you post one here please?

I will put up a more recent picture. He is a little bigger now! And even cuter!

[TLC]

Originally Posted by Anna Banana

No, no, no, she wasn't talking about people in your situation at all! You do the best you can for your babies, and we all know that when you're home, you're all theirs, and you love them dearly. Love and affection is what yorkiedaze is talking about. She's talking about being available for them the minute you get home, and loving them. In his first posts, it was clear that Nodak was neglecting these basic needs of Tanner. He is improving by leaps and bounds by just trying to make a better home for Tanner, but its still not healthy for any creature, animal or human to be considered nothing more than an "it."

Thank goodness Chris and Heidi care enough to try to improve.

You are too cute!

I know, I was agreeing with Yorkiedaze, but I also wanted to post the reality of that with a situation of being away for long hours. I wanted to to show that I don't leave mine in a cage for long, long hours, but at even what I was doing (which I felt was minimum containment) - that I still have some mental and behavioral issues to deal with.

So, I could only image what kind of mental and behavioral issue Tanner will have with his 'living' conditions on a daily basis.

[chardjo]

Originally Posted by LunasMomma

It's funny, but I don't really see how Nodak was overly rude I may have missed that post, however My take on it is that he has a sarcastic sense of humor, as I do. I do, though, most of the time, refrain from posting my smart-alecky comments and rephrase so that I don't hurt anyone's feelings.

Whatever the case, he came here for support, and if he didn't care for the pup, he would not have bothered. My hubby didn't want us to get Isabella, but now he's totally in love with her and can't imagine ever letting her go These little furfaces tend to melt even the most hard hearts

I really wanted to post this... This is a response to all the posts that go along with this subject..


Here's the thing.. CHris does love Tanner. The problem that he had was everyone was just telling him to do one thing and that was to get rid of Tanner. I'm sorry, but there are other options and yes they will be done.. But most of you gals could not get past the crate. And no questions were even asked about the crate.. The size..What was in there.. ECT.

Chris has never had a dog or a puppy.. SO he never knew what to expect. I of couse as I have mentioned before have had a few... He came here to get pointers and learn some new things. He was definitely deterred from that and it got to the point where just liked to come here to listen to you ladies comment on how he was treating the dog. Which I can tell you is nothing like he says.

Plus.. Tanner grew to be scared of Chris.. Now chris is 6'3 and little tanner is no more than 5 inches off of the ground, so I can see how intimidating that can be. So Chris was extremely frustrated with that situation.
Update on that situation: Tanner actually has put his ears up while near Chris.. It's a huge step.

ANyways... regardless of who was at fault and the insults that were thrown.. I am definitely Heidi.. And chris is definitely Chris.. We are definitely two different people.. I have my own opinions and he does as well. He is definitely sarcastic and once he knows that he has your goat.. He will keep prying.. Just for future refrence.. ALthough he is banned forever.