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View Poll Results: To dock the tail or not to dock??? | |||
No | 7 | 29.17% | |
Yes | 12 | 50.00% | |
A must for standard | 5 | 20.83% | |
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05-22-2005, 08:02 PM | #1 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX
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| new puppies - weight - tail docking We had five babies this morning. I am curious and cannot find good weights on yorkie pups? I am also curious if their weight will drop as a human does. I am concerned with the size of the litter and when I should consider supplementing if they dont thrive. Just new mom worries. They are 4, 4, 5, 6, and 6 oz. They all look very healthy and shiny. The one that looks the smallest (no.3) I keep putting him on a teat as I think he has a maneuvering problem. Also, I am wondering about tail docking - It seems very mean, their tails are as big around as their legs (and as long)
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05-22-2005, 10:22 PM | #2 |
YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Surrey
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| It's considered cruel and it's illegal to dock here in UK and I must say they look gorgeous with full tails. |
05-23-2005, 01:10 AM | #3 |
Owned by Gyps and Gizz Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wales
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| Our two girls Gypsy Rose and Gizzie Chavi have their full tails and they are very proud of them. It is illegal for the breeder to dock the tails in Wales - it must be carried out by a vet. I would say that maybe more have undocked tails over here now in recent years but I still had to phone a few breeders 2 years ago when searching for a yorkie to find a good one who didn't dock as that was what we wanted. Our previous two yorkies had docked tails and they looked very cute too! (in those days nearly all had docked tails, they would have been 17 years old now). I may be wrong but I suspect that in the USA most potential buyers expect the tails docked? Ana xx |
05-23-2005, 01:19 AM | #4 |
Lucy loves Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bristol, England
Posts: 697
| I dont think it is illegal yet I think that it is thought of as cruel and frowned on and only vets can do it. Lucy's tail is undocked and I prefer it that way. I know that in the US, to show the tail must be docke but in the UK that is not the case. Our breeder asked us if we wanted her tail docked so we had the choice on yes or no (we were waiting for her litter so it would have been done v early) |
05-23-2005, 01:42 AM | #5 | |
YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Surrey
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| It is illegal I_love_lucy in UK unless done for medical reasons by a vet. The royal college of vetinary surgeons had this to say Quote:
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05-23-2005, 01:49 AM | #6 |
Lucy loves Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bristol, England
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| I didn't realise it had to be for medical reasons (wonder why we were offered it ??!!) I was just making the point that the opinion differs between the US and UK and the fact that in the US yorkies must have docked tails for showing. So it might be expected slightly more in the US. Don't get me wrong, I would love Lucy just as much with a docked tail, but Im glad its not |
05-23-2005, 01:55 AM | #7 |
Donating YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Skagen, Denmark
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| Illegal in Denmark too - and it's been so for quite some time - it's great to see all the beautiful tails wagging in the parks and on the beach A picture where you can see Kalis tail before I cut the hair short (due to winter and snow, she got ice in the hairs when walking): http://www.metteogthomas.dk/images/2005/mare/hvad.jpg I go for the natural look - also in humans btw - no fake boobies here - difference is a blessing!
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05-23-2005, 03:03 AM | #8 |
My2Pearls Chelsey & Chanel YT Donator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: N
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| I dont believe in docking, why dock if its not needed i love them either way with or without tail... but i sure as anything dont think its a lot of fun for the pups, its illegal to dock here in Holland thank goodness
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05-23-2005, 03:47 AM | #9 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX
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| Wow! I didn't realize there was such a diverse group here. Love the pic kewtee - it is a good seller on long tails Now I have a delima (I had the same problem with my sons ) Unfortunately I lost that battle to the power of possible peer problems. Maybe I can make a stand here, as I have always been opposed to elective surgeries (with exception to spay, neuter, tubal, v). Although the parents are registered, I do not care to be a breeder - this will probably be our only litter. I am expecting my husband to let me keep them all (he is a little resistant as of yet), so money is not really a driving factor. I have three days to decide.
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05-23-2005, 04:40 AM | #10 |
YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Frisco TX
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| It does seem harsh to dock their tails but there is a bloodless method, and it is said to be painless. Have it done by the vet. The one major thing you need to consider is that if you do sell, most people are looking for the Yorkie that falls within the standards. My litter just turned 6 weeks we had their tails done, because more people wanted it that way. There are people that don't care but those are rare in the US. Good luck with the babies, they all sound like they are a good weight. Don't forget to give mommy calcium, that is a big litter.
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05-23-2005, 04:58 AM | #11 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX
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| Thanks Yorkie Love - I have been giving her a tbl of cottage cheese and 3 tbl of goats milk for the past 3 or 4 weeks, plus I dropped her back to puppy food (canned - so I can watch her eat) and keep dry down all the time.
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05-23-2005, 05:03 AM | #12 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004
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| If you decide, definetly get it done as soon as you can. The blood flow is a lot less when they're little. I personally have two boys without their tail and another that came from Germany with tail, and to tell you the truth, the tail is adorable. So much expression is relayed with it. But if you are going to sell here in the USA, truthfully, probably more people want one without a tail, don't know why, but I guess we're a little more hung up on standards. But what really is standard, they're born with one, no? When I was looking to buy, I came across a breeder who didn't dock the tail and I wasn't turned off by it but then they said the they like the "natural" feel and then they also told me that they hadn't had any of the shots either, "natural". That told me that they were just CHEAP! They didn't want to put any money into the pup. Needless to say, I didn't go look. Good luck with whatever you decide...Theresa & The Boys |
05-23-2005, 05:12 AM | #13 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX
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| I know what you mean. Once we got a kitten - I asked if it was weaned, they asked 'what is that'. I said 'do they drink milk from a bowl?' He replied 'we haven't had any milk around here for a long time.' (i took the kitten.) I will be taking the babies for their shots, they recommend docking on day 4, so that is my decision time.
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05-23-2005, 05:28 AM | #14 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Buckinghamshire, England
Posts: 12
| My yorkie Toby has his tail intact and I love to see him wagging his tail in response to something I've said. He wags his tail in his sleep if someone whispers(I got into the habit of whispering to my daughter that we should walk him after tea,etc, and now if anyone whispers on tv or anything his little tail wags like mad). |
05-27-2005, 06:10 PM | #15 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wylie TX
Posts: 1,577
| I love this picture and show it to everyone. They are adorable
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