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05-22-2005, 12:12 AM | #46 |
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| I would have to agree with Connie. I also crate my yorkie occasionally because I love him with all of my heart and I want him to be safe. I have a cat that has caught rabbits bigger than he is and he likes to play with that cat so if I am not there to monitor the situation I would hate to come home to a dead or hurt dog. My other dogs use crates sometimes too and as others have said they find comfort in having their own space and go to them on their own when they want or need that space and I think that is as healthy as when I want space and go to my room. I don't want to get into the big conflict that seems to be going on with the subject but I find it hard to understand why people can't let it go when someone does something a little bit different than what they might...As humans in general we do lots of things different. If what your doing works for you then great but why debate others over something that works for them? Telling people how to run there lives has never really gone over very well in my opinion so how about moving on and letting it go....
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05-22-2005, 01:08 AM | #47 | |
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LOL!!! So Oscar's no the only one who does that? Does your dog move around when he poops? Oscar leaves a trail.... | |
05-22-2005, 01:22 AM | #48 |
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| Yup, in the pooping hunch, walking on his front feet with the back in the air. They are so comical.
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05-22-2005, 03:44 AM | #49 |
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| I only use Maggie's crate for her sleeping at night. She is being trained to hold her PP for longer than 30 minutes. When we started this, I would get up every 2 hours at night and take her to PP. During the day I would take her out after meals, playtime, naptime and anytime we could squeeze in. She is now 12 weeks old and yesterday was the first day she scratched on the door to be let out. I let her out and got 2 P's and a Poo. So proud of her. Now that she sleeps all night, she prefers to sleep in her crate. I leave the door open. I even made a quilted cover for it. She beleives this is her house and she likes it. Other than that, I do not crate. |
05-22-2005, 03:54 AM | #50 | |
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05-22-2005, 04:01 AM | #51 |
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| Neecy, the only down thing I can think of is when the baby is left in the crate for such a long time that it seems like a prison to them, and the baby begins to think the crate is for punishment. If crates are used for punishment, then the crate training has been a waste. |
05-22-2005, 04:18 AM | #52 |
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| It's the next morning and now i'm having fun reading all the posts from the night... here's my response: 1) you may think warren eckstein is a "quack." I don't. 2) my questions are pointed to those who crate their yorkies that are NOT 12 week old puppies that have peanut-sized bladders, or currently engaged in air travel, or people who just have a crate with the door open so that the dog is free to come and go as he pleases. I'm talking about yorkies that are older and house-broken that are in crates with the door closed. Now, some of the owners of the older yorkies are getting offended and saying that I'm telling them how to run their lives. let's get real, guys...i don't know you. I met you on yorkietalk. I'm not going to tell you how to run your lives. But....no one is just admitting that they crate their dog because it makes THEM feel better. Period end. It's not for training, it's not for behavioural problems, it's not because your yorkie is a vicious biter with a broken leg. Why qualify it and say "My yorkie likes it"? Your yorkie didn't tell you that. He's trained to go in there. The bottom line is you like it, and you're afraid the little ankle-biter will bring down the ming vase. As far as I can see, there is no conflict. There is a disagreement on methodologies used for training (or lack thereof). And what I'm asking is whether just as you trained your yorkie to sit in a crate for an X # of hours, couldn't you have just trained him not to chew on electrical cords? I mean, does your dog chew on electrical cords because you crate him, or is he crated because he chews on electrical cords? Which came first...the crate or the electrical cord? |
05-22-2005, 04:28 AM | #53 |
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| And incidentally, yes, I did find a good argument against crating and I have found good arguments for crating but as i mentioned earlier, those good arguments for crating usually have some limitations, like only for training, travelling, etc. Most say that crates can be misused. Most say that crates should not be used as a substitute for training your dog. Most suggest articles start out by saying "When used correctly..." I've NEVER found anything that says "keep your dog in a crate for no other reason but the fact that it makes you feel better, and because you have nice things." |
05-22-2005, 04:31 AM | #54 |
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| Lickthestar, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I am trying to be very careful about my opinion. The other day I said that some people are lazy about their training. Wow, did I get my backside beat all day long. |
05-22-2005, 04:54 AM | #55 | |
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05-22-2005, 05:10 AM | #56 |
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| GOOD morning everyone, I have just read all of these posts and I have one thing to say. People raise their children differently from one another, so it is entirely up to the dog owner how they raise there furr babies. This world would be really blah if everyone had the same opinion. P.S. I don't use a crate.
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05-22-2005, 05:10 AM | #57 |
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| The only time Amber has been in there for a long period of time has been overnite when she was not able to hold her potty in. Or if I had a few errends to do I would crate her. I would never be gone long gosh even if I wanted to be long my children would not let me . So I am always home I dont go to work I am a stay at home mom. And she is never put in her crate then. But now she sleeps with me and my husband no crate and she has free run of the house even when we are gone. I never had a problem with electric cords or anything like that. My house is as baby proof as it can get as I do have a 1 year old. So things getting broken are the least of my worries. But yes her crate door is left open and it is not because I have forced her in her crate and trained her that her crate is her punishment. She is very secure in her crate. In fact the breeder I got her from used a crate for her puppies to sleep in at night. So it is something she is very secure with. Even if I wanted to get rid of her crate because I thought about it a few times Amber would be lost without it! Amber is also very well trained she is completly house broken, she knows not to chew on anything but her toys and we never had a problem once she was taught that. She knows her commands sit, stay, no, come and lay down. She also knows other fun commands like paw, speak, smile, roll over, play dead, etc. So yes my dog has been taught not to chew on electric cords. But she is the one that has chosen for me to keep her cage even though it is not nessicary (sp) anymore. I wanted to add another thing my Yorkie is not an ankle biter she was taught not to do that. I spend alot of time working with my Yorkie she is very obidient and extremly well trained. And when you ask what came first I would say in my life the problem was not electric cords the problem was house training. And yes the house breaking came first because if she never needed to be house broken she probably would never of needed to be crated overnight. But she was and I have no regrets doing that. She is the most well behaved, very social, very happy yorkie that I know (or have seen with my own eyes). Haveing Amber in her crate has not scared her it actually mad her have something that is secure for her. A place for her to go when she wants a nap or for whatever reason she decides to go in there for. |
05-22-2005, 05:48 AM | #58 | |
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05-22-2005, 06:01 AM | #59 |
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| I dont have a yorkie yet but I crate train my schnauzer for safety reasons!!! I couldnt imagine a 11 week old puppy left alone in a house!!!! My schnauzer is now 10 months and like another poster said when he gets sleepy he goes in his crate and when im ready to leave he knows and gets right in it. If I just run out to get the mail and leave him alone inside he freaks out!!!! He wouldnt know what to do alone in this house!! The crate is his den and thats the way dogs look at it also.... it is a very good idea to crate train read up about it!!! Also we travel alot and he rides in his crate on the long trips for his safety and he has no problem with it!! I hope with this post you see the advantages to crate training! |
05-22-2005, 06:07 AM | #60 | |
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