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05-21-2005, 05:49 PM | #16 |
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| My guys sleep in crates at night. When I'm gone for the day I have a portable pen that I set up around the crates with food , water, toys etc. and I think they spend the time I'm gone in their opened crates sleeping. I like having them confined for their protection and it does protect our home. I have 2 eldarly yorkies that had the run of the house while I was at work. They developed some bad habits. I know they aren't house trained as well as my one year olds. ( they're sneaky) It was just something I decided to do when I got my new pups. It seems to be working. |
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05-21-2005, 05:58 PM | #17 |
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| Did you train the older yorkies not to engage in those bad habits? And since you are crate training your younger ones, when will you stop using the crates? |
05-21-2005, 06:02 PM | #18 |
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| Where else would you be able to let them become accustomed to a crate besides your home?...Believe me, I don't like the idea of leaving them in a crate for hours on end and I don't do it...but when they are in there, they sleep most of the time...Like I said....Mackenzies crate is left open all day for her to go in and out of as she pleases, and she is in it, at her own will quite often...When I am out I feel much better knowing she is safe in her crate then out doing god knows what......its like wearing a seatbelt...who the heck wants to be strapped into something...but if you've done it from the get, then you are used to it and it doesnt bother you...better safe then sorry.... just my opinion
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05-21-2005, 06:14 PM | #19 | |
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Answer no.2...probably never... thats their bed | |
05-21-2005, 06:24 PM | #20 |
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| OK...so here are the arguments for crate training, and counter-arguments: Argument: I need to crate to house-train Counter-argument: Once he's trained, you don't need it anymore, right? A: My dog will destroy my stuff C: Have you seen him engage in destructive behaviour? Have you trained him not to? A: My dog likes his crate and it's his "den" C: OK. So is a doggy bed. Why does he need to be locked into his den? A: He needs to learn to use the crate to travel. C: So why is he in a crate at home? A: My dog is safe in a crate when I am not at home C: Has something happened before where your dog has done something dangerous? Have you trained him not to do it anymore? Are people using the crate to actually train their dogs or are they just keeping them in crates because it makes them feel better? Let's be honest (without taking it personally). |
05-21-2005, 06:43 PM | #21 |
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| If your not home to watch a dog some kind of protection is a good thing. I do know of dogs that have chewed electric cords and not be alive when the owners came home. Also some that have fought and one or more not alive when the owners came home. Do I think a small crate is a good thing for one to be in all day, no I don't. An ex-pen or something to protect the dog is good ownership, not just being mean. |
05-21-2005, 06:51 PM | #22 |
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| I still haven't heard any negatives to crating, besides some saying "I think its cruel"...I mean really...if the dog learns to be in it, prefers to be in it...and isn't traumatized by it, its just a great thing to be able to do and know your dog is comfortable with it.
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05-21-2005, 07:05 PM | #23 |
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| do i know dogs that bite? yes. i was bitten as a kid do i know dogs that rip up catalogs? as a matter of fact, there's one right next to me doing it. the point is that dogs do a lot of things...but they're dogs, and there is a line between training your dog NOT to do unwanted behaviour and putting him in a crate because you don't want to train him or your afraid of what might or might not happen. The whole argument for crating a dog hinges on the notion that crates are to be used for training but what it seems like is that crates are used because people don't want to train. |
05-21-2005, 07:10 PM | #24 |
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| My yorkie have their own room with play area. But they also have their own cages with their crates in it, which the door is off the crate. That is where they sleep. They don"t sleep on the rug thats in there pens. They want to sleep in there crates. Dogs just like people want to be alone at times. They will go set in front of there cages wanting to go to there crates. I also have two that will fight if left alone with each other. |
05-21-2005, 07:15 PM | #25 |
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| And as for negatives related to crate training, here's what Warren Eckstein, who is a pet expert has to say about it: http://warreneckstein.com/pettips_caging.html In addition, the ASPCA talks about crate training, but the emphasis there is on "training" not the "crate" part. Note that any reliable articles out there that talk about crate training always have a qualification "when used properly." And, they all talk about using a crate in certain situations, not all the time. |
05-21-2005, 07:22 PM | #26 |
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| I don't use the term "crate training"...I "crate" her..its just how it is...she sleeps in her crate at night, she gets into it on her own when shes sleepy, I close the door to it, I also close the door to my bedroom at night, I like it that way...keeps the boogey man out
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05-21-2005, 07:56 PM | #27 | |
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I am sorry this isn't meant to be offensive but this man is nothing but a quack in my opinion. I have crated all my dogs and all are totally house trained now and no longer need to be crated anymore. I do however keep the crate up because this has become thier den. Im sorry but I am in the prosess of getting my dog training license and crate training is the recommendation on the majority of trainers in this country. As it has been said before, I will say it again, You can have your opinion and we have ours. how we raise and train our dogs is how we choose and how you raise and train yours is your choice. Neither is right or wrong. Lets just move on to the next subject because even though you have stated that you do not mean to offend, you are offending me. Just because some "dog expert" says that crating isn't the proper way to do things doesnt mean anything to me. I personally would really like to see how much education this man has that has made him an "expert". Sorry to offend but you have offended me. | |
05-21-2005, 08:23 PM | #28 |
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| i just read what this guy had to say and laughed..i agree with you recon...i don't think he know crap. |
05-21-2005, 08:24 PM | #29 | |
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Thank you. | |
05-21-2005, 08:30 PM | #30 |
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| I am not offended, I just don't get why you care??? You do with your dog what you want, I will do with my dogs what I want. "This does not hold true for the average family. In the average household, both spouses work outside the home at least 8 hours a day. They also sleep approximately 8 hours. So far that's 16 hours that Fido will be in a cage. Add a couple of hours for shopping, errands and dinner out and you're up to 18 hours a day that the dog is confined". and this is ridiculous. My dogs are crated maybe 7 hours a day. They sleep with me, they are not crated 18 hours a day. And my dogs are extremely well socialized, healthy and happy and loved |
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