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woofshepherd · 02-04-2007, 11:46 AM

I was told by my vet that the second puppy that had the kennel cough had a foreign strain that is from some other country and it is hard to cure here in the states.

I Love Bailey · 02-04-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by woofshepherd

I was told by my vet that the second puppy that had the kennel cough had a foreign strain that is from some other country and it is hard to cure here in the states.

That is so awful not to mention unsafe for animals in the U.S. What if this starts a epidemic of Kennel Cough here in the states that we can't vacinate for or cure? How are these puppies getting into the states so sick? I thought there was a incubation period before they could be transported? or is there something else going on with $$ to look the other way? Hmmmmm

tegamom1 · 02-04-2007, 12:07 PM

He says he is licensed to keep dogs from other countries for people that have to be in quarantine for a few months. Shouldn't this be reported to whatever govt. agency is in control of this? Importing/exporting???? Dept of Commerce?

valbholmes · 02-04-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bdmcs324

I just have a question for valbholmes ... if those are REALLY your puppies why on one post the name was Iternity and the other it was Eternity. This couldnt be a typo seeing as the E and I are a pretty good distance apart ... im just saying I know I wouldnt confuse or use the wrong name for my puppy

you know what...I am human! I was so upset when I kept having to defend myself, that I probably misspelled! I confuse e's and I's all the time! Now you want to pick on me for that? I am so done with this. I am not going to defend myself to you any more. I am not leaving! I like the site here! I know who has been nice to me, and who has not! I will just stay away from the ones who like to be nasty!
For the ones that have been nice to me TY....and I can not wait to learn more from all of you!

cj125 · 02-04-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jmetts

what a post. I had planned on going to bed early last night, but instead was up into the wee hours reading, after finding this post for the first time. So, tired this morning....I have to put in my 2 cents.

Not to speak for others......but I think that the point of many here is that puppy mills are just not good. Dogs are not livestock that should be mass produced. Dogs are companion animals & need to form bonds with people from the start.

Yes, sometimes puppies do get sick & sometimes die......even with a reputable breeder, thats just nature. But with small breeding programs, if this were to happen, the breeder would not only be emotionally involved as much as the new forever owners, they would also try to uncover the why behind the sickness & work to ensure that it isn't something that is in their line. Good breeders take a lot of time and care when matching up a pair of dogs to breed to ensure not only breed standard, but optimum health.

When mass breeding dogs, each individual puppy is not getting the attention they need. Even if they are living in the most immaculate cage. If they have different staff members caring for them at different times, then who can really tell if there has been a change in the dogs personality, activity level, eating or bathroom habits, etc. that may indicate that there could be a health problem. Even if the staff are the most loving people on earth (and Im sure that most are).

I have no problem with anyone who has bought a dog from a mill, as I have in the past too. Not everyone knows the good and the bad. I fortunately never had bad luck, but now that I do know more......I will always find a small experienced breeder. I don't think anyone on here would not welcome a member just because of where they got their furbaby.

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Excellant post!

cj125 · 02-04-2007, 03:35 PM

Brushy Creek - just how many names are you going to use?
Valbholmes
Sunshine268
Dobiedude
BrushyCreek
I don't mind the posts, but you're only allowed one user name - so please man up and pick one! Please quit playing these "games" - we all know it's you. It's a sad show of desperation and not helping your "cause".

sammiz · 02-04-2007, 04:03 PM

I have to say that none of this surprises me. Why, even with our blood children, their best needs aren't always met. I know of children that have been in abusive situations that have been returned to the same abusive home in order to 'preserve the family unit' and that is in Texas. I also know of children that have been in the system due to abuse and have been sent back home to receive more abuse and eventually die from it. So the fact that we cannot manage to do what is best for our animals is not shocking when compared. Shameful, yes. Disgusting, yes. Shocking, no.

I had a Texas official tell me once that the only way to change laws is to lobby. Sad but true fact. Exposure is not always the route to remedy. The situation has to be grossly neglectful....maggots in cages, animals left in urine and feces for long periods of time, no medical care, no grooming, etc, etc. The animals must display results of severe neglect, emaciation, exposure to extreme weather, sores, mange, etc.

I think it is good that there is an investigation going on. I just wouldn't count on much being done about it. The most that is likely to happen is that others will become enlightened. That is probably the best we can all hope for. While this seems criminal, according to our laws, it is the reality of the situation. Which means that we miserably fail the ones that we should be taking the best care of. The only true innocents. Our children and our animals.

Bdmcs324 · 02-04-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125

Brushy Creek - just how many names are you going to use?
Valbholmes
Sunshine268
Dobiedude
BrushyCreek
I don't mind the posts, but you're only allowed one user name - so please man up and pick one! Please quit playing these "games" - we all know it's you. It's a sad show of desperation and not helping your "cause".

TRUE TRUE TRUE!!!

Buddah<3r · 02-04-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125

Brushy Creek - just how many names are you going to use?
Valbholmes
Sunshine268
Dobiedude
BrushyCreek
I don't mind the posts, but you're only allowed one user name - so please man up and pick one! Please quit playing these "games" - we all know it's you. It's a sad show of desperation and not helping your "cause".

Cant one of the moderators check the IP address on all of these users? I'm not a computer pro, but I think thats the way to see if they are the same person.

CO_yorkie_momma · 02-04-2007, 04:54 PM

I really dont think it is the same person but definately acquaintances of BC. The only one I think was actually BC was SparklinEyes. They could be using different computers even if they are the same person so it would be hard to say.

cj125 · 02-04-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I really dont think it is the same person but definately acquaintances of BC. The only one I think was actually BC was SparklinEyes. They could be using different computers even if they are the same person so it would be hard to say.

Oh, I missed one?

sunshine268 · 02-04-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cj125

Brushy Creek - just how many names are you going to use?
Valbholmes
Sunshine268
Dobiedude
BrushyCreek
I don't mind the posts, but you're only allowed one user name - so please man up and pick one! Please quit playing these "games" - we all know it's you. It's a sad show of desperation and not helping your "cause".

YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS ONE!

sunshine268 · 02-04-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JiggityJig

Exactly what I was thinking.

Sunshine, I read your post, and respect your experience and your opinion. But consider: if they are doing "everything humanly possible to take the utmost care of the dogs", and there are STILL all these problems with sick dogs, dirty dogs, and people receiving the WRONG DOGS, etc....wouldn't that right there indicate that they are dealing with TOO MANY DANG DOGS?!?!

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it just seems so obvious! How can a breeder POSSIBLY send the wrong dog to someone....not just once...but time after time! Maybe it's being done deliberately (the old bait and switch) and maybe it's not...but even if it's not, it certainly indicates that SOMETHING is wrong there!

Maybe they keep the kennel as clean as "humanly possible", and maybe the dogs are interacted with as much as possible, and maybe their health is looked after as much as possible, and maybe there are PLENTY of happy customers out there. But the same complaints have been heard enough, over and over, from different people, that it's obvious there is a problem. And the problem has a name:

"PUPPY MILL"

They do have plenty of references from very happy satisfied customers. If and when the time comes I'm sure they will use their proof.

Bdmcs324 · 02-04-2007, 06:31 PM

Do you not get the point that no matter how many happy, satisfied customers there are it still doesn't justify the fact that many other people received sick dogs or the wrong dog & some even received puppies that died. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION.

and Moore said every year they have 100s of returning satisfied customers....... IMO that is way too many .. just tells you the number of dogs that place is holding..

poor puppies

Buddah<3r · 02-04-2007, 06:37 PM

I hate to keep going back to this but lets ellaborate on the fact that he isnt even a Breeder.

His Previous Employee stated herself they take most dogs from out of the county. So in short he is himself supplying Puppy mills outside the US and even exposing our contry to potentially devistating viruses.

02-04-2007, 12:07 PM	#378
tegamom1 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 1,548	He says he is licensed to keep dogs from other countries for people that have to be in quarantine for a few months. Shouldn't this be reported to whatever govt. agency is in control of this? Importing/exporting???? Dept of Commerce? __________________ Mary Ann A'Lea Yorkshire Terriers

02-04-2007, 03:35 PM	#381
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	Brushy Creek - just how many names are you going to use? Valbholmes Sunshine268 Dobiedude BrushyCreek I don't mind the posts, but you're only allowed one user name - so please man up and pick one! Please quit playing these "games" - we all know it's you. It's a sad show of desperation and not helping your "cause". __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe

02-04-2007, 06:31 PM	#389
Bdmcs324 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 185	Do you not get the point that no matter how many happy, satisfied customers there are it still doesn't justify the fact that many other people received sick dogs or the wrong dog & some even received puppies that died. THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION. and Moore said every year they have 100s of returning satisfied customers....... IMO that is way too many .. just tells you the number of dogs that place is holding.. poor puppies __________________ Hold your head up.

02-04-2007, 11:46 AM	#376
woofshepherd Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2006 Location: baytown Posts: 176	I was told by my vet that the second puppy that had the kennel cough had a foreign strain that is from some other country and it is hard to cure here in the states.

02-04-2007, 04:03 PM	#382
sammiz No Longer a Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PORTERVILLE, CA Posts: 1,574	I have to say that none of this surprises me. Why, even with our blood children, their best needs aren't always met. I know of children that have been in abusive situations that have been returned to the same abusive home in order to 'preserve the family unit' and that is in Texas. I also know of children that have been in the system due to abuse and have been sent back home to receive more abuse and eventually die from it. So the fact that we cannot manage to do what is best for our animals is not shocking when compared. Shameful, yes. Disgusting, yes. Shocking, no. I had a Texas official tell me once that the only way to change laws is to lobby. Sad but true fact. Exposure is not always the route to remedy. The situation has to be grossly neglectful....maggots in cages, animals left in urine and feces for long periods of time, no medical care, no grooming, etc, etc. The animals must display results of severe neglect, emaciation, exposure to extreme weather, sores, mange, etc. I think it is good that there is an investigation going on. I just wouldn't count on much being done about it. The most that is likely to happen is that others will become enlightened. That is probably the best we can all hope for. While this seems criminal, according to our laws, it is the reality of the situation. Which means that we miserably fail the ones that we should be taking the best care of. The only true innocents. Our children and our animals.

02-04-2007, 04:54 PM	#385
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	I really dont think it is the same person but definately acquaintances of BC. The only one I think was actually BC was SparklinEyes. They could be using different computers even if they are the same person so it would be hard to say.

02-04-2007, 06:37 PM	#390
Buddah<3r Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tustin Posts: 226	I hate to keep going back to this but lets ellaborate on the fact that he isnt even a Breeder. His Previous Employee stated herself they take most dogs from out of the county. So in short he is himself supplying Puppy mills outside the US and even exposing our contry to potentially devistating viruses.