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CO_yorkie_momma · 02-03-2007, 11:18 PM

You know what? That is where you are wrong. I wanted to have faith in you. I would hate for anyone that has put so much of their lives into building something like you have lose it all over things people have said about you if it werent true. I did want you to come on and explain yourself. I know dogs get sick and there are times when there isnt a dang thing we can do about it and there are people out there that you just cant please no matter how hard you try. I know that papers get messed up and you cant get them out in a timely manner sometimes and what can go wrong will go wrong. People are human and they make mistakes, everyone does. I get it, alot of people here get it. It is the attitude you take that says you dont give a hoot who you hurt. How about coming on and explaing what you did to try to make it right. How you did the best you can to try to make these puppies healthy and to give all of your dogs the best life you can. How you are sorry about anyone that has suffered because they purchased a sick and dying dog from you and how they can contact you and you will do everything in your power to make it right. But instead you come on and make snide remarks to these people. You arent accomplishing anything by doing that, cant you see that? I can see you are angry, hurt, frustrated, sick of it, probably cant sleep at night with all of the bad publicity you are receiving here. I would be too. Maybe if you learn anything out of this, you have to take care of people after the sale. People wouldnt turn you in to the rip off report if they would have gotten a fair shake I am pretty sure. All I have to go by is what I read on here and what I see are people that felt they were wronged and you making your little comments to them. If you were me, who would you choose to believe?

sammiz · 02-03-2007, 11:24 PM

Very well stated.

Monday · 02-04-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dobiedude

Well for everyone who is one sided it is fine to just hear one side but I always like to see both sides and it is pretty bad when someone ask a question here they get all beat up for asking if fox news is going to do a full investigation or just a one sided story.

This is NOT about two sides to every story. Everyone who buys a dog SHOULD expect to get a healthy and sound dog, and respect and courtesy from the breeder. This is the NORM.
In the Guinness Book of records, you will see the TALLEST person in the world, and the SHORTEST person in the world. NOT the "normal" height person ....
They are NOT investigating happy dog stories, there are a million of them ... if any breeder lets ONE sick dog be sold and not taken care of by them prior to the sale ... that is ONE too many.

What problem do you have with that concept?

ArielsMom · 02-04-2007, 12:11 AM

Thanks to David and Fox for reporting this puppy mill!!! And, for all these new posters, who use the same style of writing, same termonology etc etc, well, it doesn;t take a genius to know who is involved in it all!! We are not stupid. Come on, it is actually ridiculous! It is impossible to care for all the hundreds of puppies in an acceptible manner!
And the lady who is happy with her 2 yorkies, can you take new pictures without your kids? If your story is true, I am very happy for you. It is great you have such cute and healthy puppies and you are loving them so much. This really is a great board with so much wonderful information and help! Welcome!

jmetts · 02-04-2007, 07:38 AM

what a post. I had planned on going to bed early last night, but instead was up into the wee hours reading, after finding this post for the first time. So, tired this morning....I have to put in my 2 cents.

Not to speak for others......but I think that the point of many here is that puppy mills are just not good. Dogs are not livestock that should be mass produced. Dogs are companion animals & need to form bonds with people from the start.

Yes, sometimes puppies do get sick & sometimes die......even with a reputable breeder, thats just nature. But with small breeding programs, if this were to happen, the breeder would not only be emotionally involved as much as the new forever owners, they would also try to uncover the why behind the sickness & work to ensure that it isn't something that is in their line. Good breeders take a lot of time and care when matching up a pair of dogs to breed to ensure not only breed standard, but optimum health.

When mass breeding dogs, each individual puppy is not getting the attention they need. Even if they are living in the most immaculate cage. If they have different staff members caring for them at different times, then who can really tell if there has been a change in the dogs personality, activity level, eating or bathroom habits, etc. that may indicate that there could be a health problem. Even if the staff are the most loving people on earth (and Im sure that most are).

I have no problem with anyone who has bought a dog from a mill, as I have in the past too. Not everyone knows the good and the bad. I fortunately never had bad luck, but now that I do know more......I will always find a small experienced breeder. I don't think anyone on here would not welcome a member just because of where they got their furbaby.

woofshepherd · 02-04-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BrushyCreek

Congratulations on saving "It's" life (calling the poor pup an it). What I don't understand is why on earth would you bring home another sick puppy? Do you not know the difference between a sick puppy and a healthy one?

Come on now, don't tell me you don't know the common english language... Wow what a come back.... by saying "it" of course it meant the poor puppy I got. I knew when I got it, it was going to be sick, because apparently thats the only kind of puppies you sell...sick ones. Therefore at your kennel there are no choices between sick and healthy! I was shown 2 puppies when I went to pick the last one up both of them had runny stools and low and behold the next day I had to take her to the vet and hook her to an IV. She had coccidia AND kennel cough with pnemonia/fluid in the lungs. I happen to know ALOT about dogs and diffrent conditions that they get, incubation period for kennel cough is 7-10 days and coccida 3-5 days so.... SHUT UP

tangobango · 02-04-2007, 08:53 AM

I just spent a good part of this morning reading the entire thread. I am going crosseyed. Brushy Creek is playing a game of odds. These odds are in favor of sick puppies. Is is a breeders responsibility to ensure that those odds are close to nill and he cannot possibly oversee this with the vast amount of babies he has. He stated that if he had a pasture full of horses or cattle nobody would complain. Yorkies are not cattle or horses. These little bundles of joy need love, comfort, and socialization from humans for them to be our beautiful companions. I would be interested to find out how many employees he has daily to care for the hundreds of babies he is mass producing. You would need a staff just for record keeping to ensure that you are not breeding cousins. Anyway you look at it it is a mill.

CO_yorkie_momma · 02-04-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BrushyCreek

Congratulations on saving "It's" life (calling the poor pup an it). What I don't understand is why on earth would you bring home another sick puppy? Do you not know the difference between a sick puppy and a healthy one?

Maybe she thought the first one was just a fluke and decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and take another chance. I guess she should have quit while she was ahead and not go back for the second one. Why are you asking her if she knows the difference between a sick and healthy puppy? You sell thousands of them and obviously you dont know the difference either.

woofshepherd · 02-04-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

Maybe she thought the first one was just a fluke and decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and take another chance. I guess she should have quit while she was ahead and not go back for the second one. Why are you asking her if she knows the difference between a sick and healthy puppy? You sell thousands of them and obviously you dont know the difference either.

Thank You.. my point exactly...

Gingergirlsmom · 02-04-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jmetts

what a post. I had planned on going to bed early last night, but instead was up into the wee hours reading, after finding this post for the first time. So, tired this morning....I have to put in my 2 cents.

Not to speak for others......but I think that the point of many here is that puppy mills are just not good. Dogs are not livestock that should be mass produced. Dogs are companion animals & need to form bonds with people from the start.

Yes, sometimes puppies do get sick & sometimes die......even with a reputable breeder, thats just nature. But with small breeding programs, if this were to happen, the breeder would not only be emotionally involved as much as the new forever owners, they would also try to uncover the why behind the sickness & work to ensure that it isn't something that is in their line. Good breeders take a lot of time and care when matching up a pair of dogs to breed to ensure not only breed standard, but optimum health.

When mass breeding dogs, each individual puppy is not getting the attention they need. Even if they are living in the most immaculate cage. If they have different staff members caring for them at different times, then who can really tell if there has been a change in the dogs personality, activity level, eating or bathroom habits, etc. that may indicate that there could be a health problem. Even if the staff are the most loving people on earth (and Im sure that most are).

I have no problem with anyone who has bought a dog from a mill, as I have in the past too. Not everyone knows the good and the bad. I fortunately never had bad luck, but now that I do know more......I will always find a small experienced breeder. I don't think anyone on here would not welcome a member just because of where they got their furbaby.

Very nicely put!

Boodad · 02-04-2007, 10:12 AM

Until there is legislation that regulates the dog trade world there will always be problems with good and bad breeders. There was a case 3 days ago in crestview FL, 102 dogs, 92 seized, and the dogs were pretty well kept. Maybe its catching on in certain towns that to many dogs is not acceptable. But until its regulated we you I cannot do anything about it. Think about all the horror stories in MO, PA, and other places that have been visited by inspectors, that are still up and running because they cant shut them down. It can be the worse of the worse and still nothing is done in the United States of America! I am just glad the few breeders that I have visited in my area are good breeders with values and good dogs. The only thing we can do is get the word out about the good and bad breeders.

Kona · 02-04-2007, 10:20 AM

I would love it if the investigation (or anything similar) would be broadcast nation wide. Or maybe the investigation could be posted on the net.

Good luck finding out the truth!

neersyorkies · 02-04-2007, 10:29 AM

Is it just me, or why have we never seen a person post here before that was so happy with the puppy they got from Brush creek . It must be the week for all the happy customers to come out and tell use .

Buddah<3r · 02-04-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BrushyCreek

Excuse me???? Who has been making the hateful remarks?? I have been beat up, abused, harrassed, and slammed since the day this site started and I am just sick of it. So excuse me if I called Ms. V a liar because that is how I feel. Her opinion does not make her accurate even if she is the queen of this site. I am human and it doesn't make feel very good either when I am accused of being a jerk, a scam artist, greedy, uncaring, etc...... You don't actually think that I believe you would might have changed your opinion about me do you? This group has their mind made up and its about slamming me! End of story. I am signing off for now!

I hadn't. I am new to this site and to the accusations against you. I having been keeping an eye on the thread as to gain some solid opinion. You came on here and everything you have said thus far makes me think these things are more likely true. You are not helping yourself.....and if you cant help yourself, who can?

Buddah<3r · 02-04-2007, 11:17 AM

Also Mr. Moore I see something terribly wrong with "breeding only some of your dog and bring the rest in from other countried"

How do you know where these puppies are coming from? If they are healthy? If you are not a puppy mill are you giving your money to one?

And further more....if you aren't breeding the dogs yourself you are not a breeder. You are a middle man for puppy mills in other countries. Looking at them with dollar signs just like big corporations that contract their work outside of the US to cut costs.

02-04-2007, 12:11 AM	#364
ArielsMom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 73	Thanks to David and Fox for reporting this puppy mill!!! And, for all these new posters, who use the same style of writing, same termonology etc etc, well, it doesn;t take a genius to know who is involved in it all!! We are not stupid. Come on, it is actually ridiculous! It is impossible to care for all the hundreds of puppies in an acceptible manner! And the lady who is happy with her 2 yorkies, can you take new pictures without your kids? If your story is true, I am very happy for you. It is great you have such cute and healthy puppies and you are loving them so much. This really is a great board with so much wonderful information and help! Welcome! __________________ Ariel's mom

02-04-2007, 10:12 AM	#371
Boodad Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pensacola Posts: 144	Until there is legislation that regulates the dog trade world there will always be problems with good and bad breeders. There was a case 3 days ago in crestview FL, 102 dogs, 92 seized, and the dogs were pretty well kept. Maybe its catching on in certain towns that to many dogs is not acceptable. But until its regulated we you I cannot do anything about it. Think about all the horror stories in MO, PA, and other places that have been visited by inspectors, that are still up and running because they cant shut them down. It can be the worse of the worse and still nothing is done in the United States of America! I am just glad the few breeders that I have visited in my area are good breeders with values and good dogs. The only thing we can do is get the word out about the good and bad breeders. __________________ Boo Monster In memory of Harley 2/13/1995-1/25/2007 Last edited by Boodad; 02-04-2007 at 10:13 AM. Reason: Add on.

02-04-2007, 10:20 AM	#372
Kona Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 1,877	I would love it if the investigation (or anything similar) would be broadcast nation wide. Or maybe the investigation could be posted on the net. Good luck finding out the truth! __________________ Kona Bernie

02-03-2007, 11:18 PM	#361
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	You know what? That is where you are wrong. I wanted to have faith in you. I would hate for anyone that has put so much of their lives into building something like you have lose it all over things people have said about you if it werent true. I did want you to come on and explain yourself. I know dogs get sick and there are times when there isnt a dang thing we can do about it and there are people out there that you just cant please no matter how hard you try. I know that papers get messed up and you cant get them out in a timely manner sometimes and what can go wrong will go wrong. People are human and they make mistakes, everyone does. I get it, alot of people here get it. It is the attitude you take that says you dont give a hoot who you hurt. How about coming on and explaing what you did to try to make it right. How you did the best you can to try to make these puppies healthy and to give all of your dogs the best life you can. How you are sorry about anyone that has suffered because they purchased a sick and dying dog from you and how they can contact you and you will do everything in your power to make it right. But instead you come on and make snide remarks to these people. You arent accomplishing anything by doing that, cant you see that? I can see you are angry, hurt, frustrated, sick of it, probably cant sleep at night with all of the bad publicity you are receiving here. I would be too. Maybe if you learn anything out of this, you have to take care of people after the sale. People wouldnt turn you in to the rip off report if they would have gotten a fair shake I am pretty sure. All I have to go by is what I read on here and what I see are people that felt they were wronged and you making your little comments to them. If you were me, who would you choose to believe?

02-03-2007, 11:24 PM	#362
sammiz No Longer a Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PORTERVILLE, CA Posts: 1,574	Very well stated.

02-04-2007, 07:38 AM	#365
jmetts YT Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: virginia Posts: 283	what a post. I had planned on going to bed early last night, but instead was up into the wee hours reading, after finding this post for the first time. So, tired this morning....I have to put in my 2 cents. Not to speak for others......but I think that the point of many here is that puppy mills are just not good. Dogs are not livestock that should be mass produced. Dogs are companion animals & need to form bonds with people from the start. Yes, sometimes puppies do get sick & sometimes die......even with a reputable breeder, thats just nature. But with small breeding programs, if this were to happen, the breeder would not only be emotionally involved as much as the new forever owners, they would also try to uncover the why behind the sickness & work to ensure that it isn't something that is in their line. Good breeders take a lot of time and care when matching up a pair of dogs to breed to ensure not only breed standard, but optimum health. When mass breeding dogs, each individual puppy is not getting the attention they need. Even if they are living in the most immaculate cage. If they have different staff members caring for them at different times, then who can really tell if there has been a change in the dogs personality, activity level, eating or bathroom habits, etc. that may indicate that there could be a health problem. Even if the staff are the most loving people on earth (and Im sure that most are). I have no problem with anyone who has bought a dog from a mill, as I have in the past too. Not everyone knows the good and the bad. I fortunately never had bad luck, but now that I do know more......I will always find a small experienced breeder. I don't think anyone on here would not welcome a member just because of where they got their furbaby.

02-04-2007, 08:53 AM	#367
tangobango Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hudson, Florida Posts: 238	I just spent a good part of this morning reading the entire thread. I am going crosseyed. Brushy Creek is playing a game of odds. These odds are in favor of sick puppies. Is is a breeders responsibility to ensure that those odds are close to nill and he cannot possibly oversee this with the vast amount of babies he has. He stated that if he had a pasture full of horses or cattle nobody would complain. Yorkies are not cattle or horses. These little bundles of joy need love, comfort, and socialization from humans for them to be our beautiful companions. I would be interested to find out how many employees he has daily to care for the hundreds of babies he is mass producing. You would need a staff just for record keeping to ensure that you are not breeding cousins. Anyway you look at it it is a mill.

02-04-2007, 10:29 AM	#373
neersyorkies Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Waller TX Posts: 385	Is it just me, or why have we never seen a person post here before that was so happy with the puppy they got from Brush creek . It must be the week for all the happy customers to come out and tell use .

02-04-2007, 11:17 AM	#375
Buddah<3r Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tustin Posts: 226	Also Mr. Moore I see something terribly wrong with "breeding only some of your dog and bring the rest in from other countried" How do you know where these puppies are coming from? If they are healthy? If you are not a puppy mill are you giving your money to one? And further more....if you aren't breeding the dogs yourself you are not a breeder. You are a middle man for puppy mills in other countries. Looking at them with dollar signs just like big corporations that contract their work outside of the US to cut costs.