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YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Mississippi
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| ![]() I would have no problem signing a contract agreeing to have my baby spayed or neutered. I have absolutely no desire to get into the breeding world. As they say, accidents can and do happen! I think a lot of the problems found in the breed today (whether it's yorkies, chi's, labs, etc) is from an accident that happens. The responsible thing to do to prevent unwanted pregnancies with your furbaby IS to have him/her altered. One only needs to visit their nearest animal rescue to see the truth in that sentence. So if you aren't planning on breeding or showing your new furbaby (again, this applies to all breeds), in my opinion, one shouldn't have a problem in signing a contract like that. However, what makes America so great is the fact that we all have different opinions on subject matters. I can appreciate each opinion that is different from mine. But my opinion on this subject is what I've already said, if you don't plan on breeding or showing your furbaby, then you shouldn't have a problem in signing a contract stating you will have him/her altered. It should be a "no brainer".
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Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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Yes, you're right all testing costs should be included in the price. Bottom line most people think that the breeder is making money, wrong, not if it's done correctly, you're very lucky if you break even. And most people think they'll pay more if they they buy their yorkies from a breeder/exhibitor, because they sell puppies to support their showing costs.......not so.
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Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA
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| ![]() No, not infront of the puppy's name - that would make the pup a champion. LOL I mean that the parents or grandparents are not even champions. Here for 1,500 champions are usually found in their pedigrees until the great-granparents. One girl I met gets (and she actually gets it) around 3,000 each for her pups and no champions until the 3rd generation. Even a baseball player not only bought one, but two of her dogs. She does take great photos though! It is really hard to find a good quality yorkie here in Georgia. I know, since I looked around here first when I was deciding to get back into showing/breeding. There are a few great ones - like Ava, but only a handful of great breeders/exhibitors. T. Last edited by topknot; 12-27-2006 at 05:58 AM. |
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Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA
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| ![]() I think 1,500 is normal for a pet puppy with testing included, but if the pedigree behind the pup is excepional then would warrent more. I cannot believe that one person can get 3,000. for not much of a pedigreed pup or should charge that much. On the other hand - It is though up to the breeder to set her/his price. T. |
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Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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$3,000 Wow!......amazing. Yes, Ava is great. There is a catch 22 going on here though. Responsible/Reputable Exhibitor/Breeders are getting more and more stringent with their contracts and who they sell their puppies to. Therefore, the puppymillers and BYB are raking in the buyers because of it.
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Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA
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| ![]() If you set your price too low - you also may risk the chance of one of your pups going into the hands of a mill or broker and then they turn and sell for more. This is why we have to be so cautious, because they (mill or broker)are actually doing this all the time! T. |
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Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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Most of the reputable/responsible exhibitor breeders here work very closely with other breeders, don't advertise or have websites, don't ship. Most of their adoptive families are repeat buyers and/or referred to them by people they know, those that aren't are interrigated thoroughly.
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Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee
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| ![]() As most of you know, I am in the search for a "show prospect" female. And the issue of contracts concern me too......not so much that I have to sign one, because I DO believe they are appropriate. My concern is, I the BUYER deserve to be protected too.......it worries me in general about contracts......maybe if someone could jump into WHAT INFO should be in a contract that protects BOTH the buyer and the seller, that would be most helpful too..... What is appropriate wording in a contract......about LP, LS, other genetic issues........and isnt LP an issue that occurs due to jumping from high couches and chairs??? or is it genetic and happens regardless????? Answers would be appreciated.... I do NOT have a fear of signing a contract, but mine is to include that the Yorkie will be shown, and efforts will be made to see that Yorkie get their Championship. I think this is a differenct contract than a Breeding Contract....right????And besides, I will need ALL the MENTORING help I can get to get where I want to be in the YORKIE WORLD. ![]() ![]() |
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Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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| ![]() Yes, Show Contracts and Companion Contracts are seperate with very concise wording. The contract should be there to protect both of you. Genetic defects should be incorporated in a show contract, just as it is in a companion yorkie contract. LP can be genetic or brought on by an injury. Wording should clarify that. Therefore, vet check records should accompany the puppy when it leaves the breeders home. What it boils down to you and your breeder must be in full trust of one another. My breeder has always stood behind everything that she's entrusted me with. I always walk out her door with a smile on my face, babbling, oh boy! another champion......she looks at me and says "we shall see". I finally figured out what that meant; anything can go wrong and she will take it back if the dog doesn't prove to be a show dog.......
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Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA
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1. Yes, breeding/showing contracts are and should be different than norm. pet contracts. Wording needs to be different and would be too wordy if one contract included both information. 2. From the research I have collected and asked experts Liver shunts is genectic and laxtaiting petellas can either be genetic or by accidents. An experienced vet would do x-rays and look at the damage such as scaring, exactly where the damage as occured, etc,,, very involved and costly to know for sure if it was genetic or accidents. This is why covering LP is usually not covered in contracts - genetics. But should be checked before buying. 2. I have signed contracts before and it should protect both the breeder and the buyer. This way everything is spelled out or should be. You can always change certain parts of the contract if both parties agree. In my last contract in which I bought a show prospect older pup (which I co-own with the breeder) - I have to show that I am making my best effort to show her and gain her championship and includes a pick of litter pup from first breeding and choice of stud is decided together with myself and breeder and then I would gain full ownership only after I show proof of her champion certificate. If something happens along the way and we know I tried everything to get her finished but she just won't be finishable we will talk and redo things.This is a normal contract you would have to follow by any top breeder. Oh, I also must show the breeders name in any advertising at my total cost. And that they are not responsible for any cost of care. But this is what you do if you really want a nice, really nice yorkie to show. I also paid a lot for her and I mean a lot! It is normal! Main thing is trust! You need to trust one another - it is mutual! 3. When I sell any of my pups - I am also including any mentoring - hours and hours of help if needed at no extra cost. This is what good reputable breeders do because we care ~ no difference if it is for a pet or for show! I have a male pup now that I hope will be good enough to show. You better be sure that I would want him in the right hands. T. | |
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Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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I forgot to add what you said, when you buy a show dog, you are also buying a mentor. I know that when I purchased my 1st one, my mentor/breeder was there from her 1st puppy match, when she championed and her very last show, before I retired her.
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YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nebraska
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| ![]() Okay back to the price issue. Most Yorkies with a S/N contract are cheaper than buying one with full registration. There are breeders out there that will offer you breeding rights, if they feel you are worthy, for a little extra. And just bc some of you think their prices are too high for a S/N dog, I'm guessing you aren't looking for a very good quality healthy pet, that is breed the way it is suppose to be, that is healthy and has healthy lines. I know that some out there will say they got their Yorkies for $200 or some other incredibly low price, but I guarentee that the breeder/broker you got it from wasn't of the highest quality. To breed and do it right is very expensive. Now to the person looking for a show quality female. You want to make sure that you spend the extra and don't have a S/N contract bc you can't show it if it is. Also make sure you are budgeting a pretty penny bc good high quality show Yorkies with good lines are spendy. Forget the $1500 mentioned earlier for pet Yorkies. You will probably end up spending twice that, Unless you have a real good eye and find one somewhere that has exceptional show qualities, but just doesn't have and CH in the pedigree. Good luck in your search.
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Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee
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| ![]() The price of 1500 never entered my mind......LOL........I am fully aware that my budget is dramatically different with my quest for a show Yorkie....as I have been in discussions over nearly the last two years searching for the right Yorkie...... I am buying more than the Yorkie, is the way I look at it.......I am buying over 30 years of experience........and the Yorkie is the icing on the cake so to speak........you absolutley get what you pay for..... Thanks for the well wishes....maybe sooner now than later.... |
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My Tiny Treasures Donating Member | ![]() I just wanted to add that I know if my dogs had come already spayed or neutered, I would have been very happy ! One less cost to pay in 6 months and less stress for me, having to put them under and worrying about them. It would have already been done! ![]() But I also like the choice of breeding as I've started my breeding program with my Yorkies. So I guess I'm in the middle. I agree to both. |
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