breeding small male with a larger female

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sashajade

imo im glad your breeding a larger or should i say normal healthier sized yorkie, yorkies where bigger when first bred and were also a lot healthier. so what about the so called breed standard, if you have homes for them and the new owners dont care about the size of the pup and will love it anyway what does it matter if they are not to be shown in the ring. i love mine for who they are not for what they look like, i wonder how us owners would feel if are dogs could speak and say oh hang on a min i dont want you as my mum cos your to fat or you have a big nose?

Not everyone feels that way. It's one thing if you are entirely honest, but what happens is people are thinking 5 pounds so when they see the size of the mother, they turn away.

So if you don't tell them how big the mother is and they buy, what they think is going to be a 4 to 5 pounder, (and many are even upset at that size, they want a "teacup" 2 to 3 pounds) then when it turns out to be oversized, they no longer want it and it ends up in a shelter or a rescue.


Many many people are odsessed with the size, Just read some of the threads on here. they get upset if the dog ends up at 7 pounds, they wanted a 3 pounder.

Besides health, size is a big factor. Most people can deal with the cottony coats and big ears etc, but they get very upset over the size issue.

[doortego]

I can't help wondering why those that say they don't care about the standard want a purebred Yorkie. If you are not interested in having a Yorkie that meets the standards, wouldn't it be better to rescue a mixed breed than to breed more nonstandard dogs?

I don't think anyone is saying that the dogs that don't meet the standard are not beautiful lovable pups but why would someone deliberately breed or purchase one that is not the standard of the breed you supposedly want?

I am not intending to offend, just really wonder.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Not everyone feels that way. It's one thing if you are entirely honest, but what happens is people are thinking 5 pounds so when they see the size of the mother, they turn away.

So if you don't tell them how big the mother is and they buy, what they think is going to be a 4 to 5 pounder, (and many are even upset at that size, they want a "teacup" 2 to 3 pounds) then when it turns out to be oversized, they no longer want it and it ends up in a shelter or a rescue.


Many many people are odsessed with the size, Just read some of the threads on here. they get upset if the dog ends up at 7 pounds, they wanted a 3 pounder.

Besides health, size is a big factor. Most people can deal with the cottony coats and big ears etc, but they get very upset over the size issue.

if a person is a loving good owner then they would never get rid of the dog if it was bigger than breed standard and if they did they should never of been sold the pup in the first place and dont deserve to have one. if the new owners are told the size of the mother and father so they no the pup could be big then its up to them if they get it or not. i dont think anyone should breed without having buyers all ready lined up and checked out no matter what size they think the pups might be.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by doortego

I can't help wondering why those that say they don't care about the standard want a purebred Yorkie. If you are not interested in having a Yorkie that meets the standards, wouldn't it be better to rescue a mixed breed than to breed more nonstandard dogs?

I don't think anyone is saying that the dogs that don't meet the standard are not beautiful lovable pups but why would someone deliberately breed or purchase one that is not the standard of the breed you supposedly want?

I am not intending to offend, just really wonder.

i think its kind of a country thing, in the uk i would say most people when looking for a yorkie want a healthy pup that is happy playful and loving and are not that bothered about the size of it, if it has floppy ears or not correct colouring so what if it loves you and you love it, a yorkie is not just about what it looks like its also about the personality of the breed. i would bet most people on here do not have a breed standard yorkie, its ears wont be right, its colour not perfect, its coat not good enough, its hind legs to long, there are so many other things than just the weight, but for some reason most people i see on here talking about breed standard dont worry that there dog has these other things wrong its just the size they worry about. and imo the breed standard is wrong and out of date and should be changed.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by doortego

I can't help wondering why those that say they don't care about the standard want a purebred Yorkie. If you are not interested in having a Yorkie that meets the standards, wouldn't it be better to rescue a mixed breed than to breed more nonstandard dogs?

I don't think anyone is saying that the dogs that don't meet the standard are not beautiful lovable pups but why would someone deliberately breed or purchase one that is not the standard of the breed you supposedly want?

I am not intending to offend, just really wonder.

good point. Just look at all the threads here where people are asking if their yorkie is a purebred.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by jacky

if you dont care about standard, then think about what happens when your trying to sell the pups. when buyers take one look at the mom, they are going to run for the hills. it usually doesnt "balance out" when it comes to weight, and its very likely that the pups end up HUGE. and people that want puppies for companion or not show purposes, are usually looking for tiny lil purse dogs.

well if they dont look at a yorkie pup and fall in love with it no matter what size it is then somethings wrong with them cos i no i couldnt

[ehunney]

Originally Posted by sashajade

well if they dont look at a yorkie pup and fall in love with it no matter what size it is then somethings wrong with them cos i no i couldnt

Good point!

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

good point. Just look at all the threads here where people are asking if their yorkie is a purebred.

thats why i said i think its a country thing, in the uk there are loads of large yorkies so we are use to seeing them and dont wonder if its a pure bred one or not.

[sashajade]

also ive seen people on here ask if there yorkie is a silky, well ive never seen a silky that i no of in the uk so i guess thats also why we dont think about it as much.

[doortego]

Originally Posted by sashajade

i think its kind of a country thing, in the uk i would say most people when looking for a yorkie want a healthy pup that is happy playful and loving and are not that bothered about the size of it, if it has floppy ears or not correct colouring so what if it loves you and you love it, a yorkie is not just about what it looks like its also about the personality of the breed. i would bet most people on here do not have a breed standard yorkie, its ears wont be right, its colour not perfect, its coat not good enough, its hind legs to long, there are so many other things than just the weight, but for some reason most people i see on here talking about breed standard dont worry that there dog has these other things wrong its just the size they worry about. and imo the breed standard is wrong and out of date and should be changed.

All Yorkies, regardless of size, are precious pets. I have had both the large & the small, I guess what I haven't had is the middle.

My first Yorkie was about 10# and I loved him to death but I would never have considered not having him neutered. I feel like I would have been very unfair to whoever got pups sired by him thinking they would be less than 7#. Although, as I said, I loved him to death and was devastated when he died, I was disappointed when I first began to realize that his ears would never stand and 7# passed us by pretty quickly. I felt like the breeder had lied to me. I feel like when someone sells a Yorkshire Terrier pup, the buyer should be able to expect it to be under 7# and perky ears. I know most of them will not be show quality but there should be some basic traits you could expect such as size, color, standing ears, roughly a square body. I'm just afraid that the more we continue to breed dogs that are far from the standard, the less a Yorkie will continue to look like a Yorkie.

If there is enough of a demand for a larger Yorkie, perhaps there could be a different designation but I really believe that most people breed bigger Yorkies because that is what they have and not what they want. Frequently they try to find a smaller stud hoping they will get smaller pups and then the buyers are again misled and perhaps, as I was, disappointed because let's face it, once that little pup is in your house, he's not going anywhere even if he grows to be the size of a great dane. They steal our hearts just that fast.

[chachi]

It must be a different country thing because My experience with having a bigger yorkie is people ask why they are so big and are you sure yours isnt a silky terrier

[sashajade]

my tye and zac are 10 pound and are 9 inches to there shoulder and i would say are what people in the uk would say was the normal size of a yorkie , they are the size we see most oftern, brandi is 15 pound and 12 inches to her shoulder and in the uk would be classed as a large yorkie, annie is 10 pound but over weight at the mo so should be about 6 pound and is just under 8 inches to her shoulder and would be concidered a small yorkie in the uk.

[Dena]

Originally Posted by chachi

It must be a different country thing because My experience with having a bigger yorkie is people ask why they are so big and are you sure yours isnt a silky terrier

Yeah, Wookie is long and skinny, but he's topping the scale around 7 lbs.. he's still tiny to me and i love him just as much.. but I've had a lot of people ask me if he is a silky. Sometimes it makes me mad, like I dont know what kind of dog i have??

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sashajade

if a person is a loving good owner then they would never get rid of the dog if it was bigger than breed standard and if they did they should never of been sold the pup in the first place and dont deserve to have one. if the new owners are told the size of the mother and father so they no the pup could be big then its up to them if they get it or not. i dont think anyone should breed without having buyers all ready lined up and checked out no matter what size they think the pups might be.

In a perfect world everyone would have a waiting list for their dogs. This is not a perfect world.

It's hard to sell a pfuppy 6 or 7 months down the road, when people want a puppy NOW, and there are so many available NOW. Most pet buyers do not want to wait, a breeder, or a show person will wait for the perfect one, but not people who want pets.

I argee that if the people were told the size of the parents and are willing to take a chance then it is their decision.

However, what happens is, no one wants to buy the pups because the mother is larger than standard, so eventually, the breeder becomes deceptive in order to sell, and as a result end up with unhappy customers.

I also agree that loving decent people would never be able to get rid of the dog once they had it, no mater what it's size, Again, this is not a perfect world. For what ever their reasons, if they want a 5 pound dog, they want a 5 pound dog, not a 10 pound one.

[chachi]

It makes me kinda mad too Chachi looks like a yorkie only bigger