breeding small male with a larger female

[vainchick5]

Originally Posted by sashajade

my tye and zac are 10 pound and are 9 inches to there shoulder and i would say are what people in the uk would say was the normal size of a yorkie , they are the size we see most oftern, brandi is 15 pound and 12 inches to her shoulder and in the uk would be classed as a large yorkie, annie is 10 pound but over weight at the mo so should be about 6 pound and is just under 8 inches to her shoulder and would be concidered a small yorkie in the uk.

I think every country is different. Some countries, even different cities allow for breeding with no regard to what the standard of the breed is, which is probably why it seems that our country is more concerned about size. Reputable breeders would never breed a large yorkie because that would encourage others to think it is ok to breed your dog no matter what size/shape/age. I'd want to get what I paid for and not be lied to. I wouldn't love my pup any less whether big or small but if I want a yorkie I want it as close to the standard as possible, otherwise there other plenty of toy breeds that are 10lbs and over and there are also plenty of small dogs at the local rescues.

[ehunney]

I don't know about anyone else but I like cute, and don't worry to much about size. I'm not going to lie though, I do adore the tinies (forever looking like puppies ), but at the same time I value a good temperment, great coat and cute face over anything else, including size! As long as those things are there I'm pretty much sold.

[Dena]

yes but i agree with everyone else who says... when you want to get a yorkie, you want a yorkie for specific reasons.. usually because of what the standard of the breed is.. and a 10lb yokie just isnt.

My breeder told me wookie would be a 5 lber.. well now he's 7, which isnt huge difference, but it sort of is when you're talking about yorkies.

My breeder was just wanting to sell him, cause wookie was 4 lbs at 4 months, it was plainly obvious he was going to be a little bit on the bigger side.. i was just soo excited and didn't bother to even research anymore after that

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

In a perfect world everyone would have a waiting list for their dogs. This is not a perfect world.

It's hard to sell a pfuppy 6 or 7 months down the road, when people want a puppy NOW, and there are so many available NOW. Most pet buyers do not want to wait, a breeder, or a show person will wait for the perfect one, but not people who want pets.

I argee that if the people were told the size of the parents and are willing to take a chance then it is their decision.

However, what happens is, no one wants to buy the pups because the mother is larger than standard, so eventually, the breeder becomes deceptive in order to sell, and as a result end up with unhappy customers.

I also agree that loving decent people would never be able to get rid of the dog once they had it, no mater what it's size, Again, this is not a perfect world. For what ever their reasons, if they want a 5 pound dog, they want a 5 pound dog, not a 10 pound one.

Excellent post.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by doortego

All Yorkies, regardless of size, are precious pets. I have had both the large & the small, I guess what I haven't had is the middle.

My first Yorkie was about 10# and I loved him to death but I would never have considered not having him neutered. I feel like I would have been very unfair to whoever got pups sired by him thinking they would be less than 7#. Although, as I said, I loved him to death and was devastated when he died, I was disappointed when I first began to realize that his ears would never stand and 7# passed us by pretty quickly. I felt like the breeder had lied to me. I feel like when someone sells a Yorkshire Terrier pup, the buyer should be able to expect it to be under 7# and perky ears. I know most of them will not be show quality but there should be some basic traits you could expect such as size, color, standing ears, roughly a square body. I'm just afraid that the more we continue to breed dogs that are far from the standard, the less a Yorkie will continue to look like a Yorkie.

If there is enough of a demand for a larger Yorkie, perhaps there could be a different designation but I really believe that most people breed bigger Yorkies because that is what they have and not what they want. Frequently they try to find a smaller stud hoping they will get smaller pups and then the buyers are again misled and perhaps, as I was, disappointed because let's face it, once that little pup is in your house, he's not going anywhere even if he grows to be the size of a great dane. They steal our hearts just that fast.

it depends if you think the breed standard is right or not though as i think its out of date now. years ago when yorkies were bigger they were shown, they had two classes small and large but there were not enough people who wanted to show the larger yorkies so it was scraped. yorkies were bred down in size for fashion no other reason, larger yorkies dont have a problem with low suger. i think a breeder should be honest and tell you the size of the mum and dad and also tell you your pup COULD be this or that weight but no one can tell as a large pup can pop up and then its up to you if you take that chance or not. i think its so sad seeing all these tiny yorkies getting smaller and smaller all cos of fashion and i would be happyier if yorkies where no smaller than 4 pound as i think that this would be better for the breed in the low run. lets face it if it was fashion to have a yorkie that was over 4 pound and thats all people saw on the streets and was the norm then no one would worry about the size of there dog or wonder if it was pure bred or not and no one would ask is that a silky.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by doortego

I can't help wondering why those that say they don't care about the standard want a purebred Yorkie. If you are not interested in having a Yorkie that meets the standards, wouldn't it be better to rescue a mixed breed than to breed more nonstandard dogs?

I don't think anyone is saying that the dogs that don't meet the standard are not beautiful lovable pups but why would someone deliberately breed or purchase one that is not the standard of the breed you supposedly want?

I am not intending to offend, just really wonder.

I agree. What originally attracted me to the Yorkie breed is the way they look ... the coloring, size, ears, tail, spunky personality, etc. If we keep breeding Yorkies of any size (and not only size but everything else that makes up the standard) and do not stick to the standard guidelines, we will eventually lose that Yorkie look at we all love so much.

[sashajade]

or saying that if most people had a yorkie that was over 10 pound no one would bat a eye if it was the norm and thats what you saw walking down the road most days, which is why i said its a country thing the same as docked and undocked tails, in the uk you will not see a docked tail that oftern so seeing a yorkie with its tail is no big thing its normal.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

I agree. What originally attracted me to the Yorkie breed is the way they look ... the coloring, size, ears, tail, spunky personality, etc. If we keep breeding Yorkies of any size (and not only size but everything else that makes up the standard) and do not stick to the standard guidelines, we will eventually lose that Yorkie look at we all love so much.

but larger yorkies still do look like yorkies and act like them they are just the same as small yorkies just larger. same ears same coat same breed just bigger.

[Dena]

Originally Posted by sashajade

it depends if you think the breed standard is right or not though as i think its out of date now. years ago when yorkies were bigger they were shown, they had two classes small and large but there were not enough people who wanted to show the larger yorkies so it was scraped. yorkies were bred down in size for fashion no other reason, larger yorkies dont have a problem with low suger. i think a breeder should be honest and tell you the size of the mum and dad and also tell you your pup COULD be this or that weight but no one can tell as a large pup can pop up and then its up to you if you take that chance or not. i think its so sad seeing all these tiny yorkies getting smaller and smaller all cos of fashion and i would be happyier if yorkies where no smaller than 4 pound as i think that this would be better for the breed in the low run. lets face it if it was fashion to have a yorkie that was over 4 pound and thats all people saw on the streets and was the norm then no one would worry about the size of there dog or wonder if it was pure bred or not and no one would ask is that a silky.

I know it's crazzzzzyyyy.. I found a breeder in arizona that sells yorkie pups under 1 lb at 15-16 weeks for like $6,000!! I was shocked. They were cute little faces, but so sad

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by sashajade

but larger yorkies still do look like yorkies and act like them they are just the same as small yorkies just larger. same ears same coat same breed just bigger.

But then the size isn't the same according to the breed standard (if they're bigger) and I LOVE the breed standard. If I wanted a bigger dog, I would have picked another breed. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[sashajade]

if it all about breed standard then should people with yorkies that dont have perfect ears, colour of coat, who dont have a silky coat thats perfect, the right size legs, head, body, eyes, nose, shape of head not breed then? so if your yorkie is not show quality then you should not breed with them as thats the only way to keep the breed standard of today.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

But then the size isn't the same according to the breed standard (if they're bigger) and I LOVE the breed standard. If I wanted a bigger dog, I would have picked another breed. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

what if the breed standard was changed then? to lets say 6 to 10 pound? that would be the new breed standard for a yorkie.

[vainchick5]

Originally Posted by sashajade

if it all about breed standard then should people with yorkies that dont have perfect ears, colour of coat, who dont have a silky coat thats perfect, the right size legs, head, body, eyes, nose, shape of head not breed then? so if your yorkie is not show quality then you should not breed with them as thats the only way to keep the breed standard of today.

Yea that's the basic principle. If your yorkie isn't within the standard, it should not be bred. But of course if everyone actually obided by that we wouldn't have mills, brokers, puppy stores, etc. where many out of standard yorkies are sold. If you don't care about the standard then why even get a yorkie??

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by Dena

I know it's crazzzzzyyyy.. I found a breeder in arizona that sells yorkie pups under 1 lb at 15-16 weeks for like $6,000!! I was shocked. They were cute little faces, but so sad

yep that is what i mean its not fair on the pups not fair on the breed. breed standard should be whats best for the breed , whats healthy for the breed not what looks good whats fashion. this so called breed standard has made is impossible for bulldogs to give birth cos they have made there heads so big and they have also made there noses so flat they cant breath. pugs the same problem but never mind they look good so who cares? well not the people who make the breed standard thats for sure.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by vainchick5

Yea that's the basic principle. If your yorkie isn't within the standard, it should not be bred. But of course if everyone actually obided by that we wouldn't have mills, brokers, puppy stores, etc. where many out of standard yorkies are sold. If you don't care about the standard then why even get a yorkie??

so is your yorkie breed standard then? perfect in everyway ? i got a yorkie cos i love the personality of a yorkie and i also love the way they look, the way they look is what IM use to here in the uk, what i see, i wanted a healthy happy pup and im glad mine have never been under 6 pound in weight as i would hate to have a dog go in to shock cos of low blood suger just cos some bright spark somewhere said oh wouldnt it be cute to make them smaller so we can carry them around in are bags like some kind of fashion thing i got a yorkie cos i wanted one and size dont matter to me cos i think the breed standard is WRONG.