money for a yorkie

[candybaby]

Originally Posted by daisysis

Well i plan to breed and get money for them. How ever. I have promised two pups free and the rest will be at resondable price. for us poor folks can have one of these loveable dogs. People want more $$$$$$$$$$. than the dog weighs. lol.. I am just say I know alot of good people that want an yorkie but can not pay $800.00 or more for a dog.

[Kathryn_V]

And so folks... the back yard breeder is born! Followed by the larger scale operations.... Mills.... Turning out Cheap puppies for the masses!!!

Puppies who, in many cases, have not had a proper upbringing, vet care, Vac's, and whatnot!

But hey... poor folks can afford the vet bills when those poorly bred pups fall ill or their genetic faults show up right??? Or do they become the Yorkies that other Poor Folks rescue from the Pounds only to realize that they can't afford to care for them either.... I wonder how many times some of those dogs get shuffled around before someone who Can afford them adopts them.... ????

Maybe Poor Folks should not be spending money on Dogs??? They require a serious amount of upkeep Financially! And it goes WAY BEYOND the cost of Procurement! With Yorkies you are looking at a 15 to 20 year long Commitment! Check ups, Vac's, and preventive care can really add up.... If you properly care for your dog.... You'll spend MANY thousands on it over the years... and I mean your dog could be a down payment on a car by the time your done... Heck, some could pay for a new car outright!

And Did it ever cross anyones mind that a breeder just might charge a really high price in an effort to find a home that CAN afford to give their puppy the life it deserves? The care it needs? The financial security we all would want our Babies to have??

Call me crazy??? But this is how I see it! When I was much younger and paying for gas with Dimes and Quarters... I did not have a Yorkie... I wanted one.... But I could not afford one... End of story!

[sylvan]

The costs for a true hobby breeder to produce healthy pups bred to the standard cannot be summed up with a simple listing of vet expenses for shots etc...for the pups. The list of expenses is beyond what most people even consider. I've done a brief sum up of some of this before, but let's get Stacy real depressed and do it again.
First, spend a lot of time and money doing research on the breed, going to shows to see good examples of the standard so you know what you're looking at, buying umpteen books on the subject, taking days off paying work to hang out with your mentor and watch and listen and learn.
Then find good healthy examples from healthy pedigrees for your breeding program and expect to pay $2,500.-$3,500. for each one of them. Off to the vet for testing to insure that they are healthy by running a whole battery of tests. Blood Panels, x-rays, bile acid etc... cha-ching..and let's not forget..where do they live? hmmm add in for crates, ex-pens, pee pads, bedding,towels, harnesses, leads, water bottles, food dishes, chew toys, slipcovers for the furniture...cause you know they gotta hang with you at movie time and fence in the yard so they're safe outside and if you're really nutty build them their own decked play areas fenced within your fenced-in yard so if someone doesn't close the first gate..nobody's escaping. Oh, and make sure you've got the areas separated to keep the boys from playing with girls when they musn't. That's all about another couple of thousand.
Continue to spend more time and money learning and researching and keeping current on the latest innovations in vet care, training etc..
Next..while we're hanging out waiting for that magical litter of pups that will make our fortune....we gotta take care of the little buggers. Okay, so premium food, plus the weekly extras like yogurt, treats and the filet mignon you'll even try grinding up to try to get the stud boys to eat SOMETHING when they start dropping weight because someone is in heat and they forget about food. Vitamins, wormers, nutrical, goats milk, esbilac...keep shopping the carts not full yet. Let's consider hygiene, shall we? Flea and tick stuff, heartworm preventative, Weekly baths..that's a couple hours of work, add in for shampoos, conditioners, coat treatments, nail and hair clippers, scissors, combs, brushes, wipes, toothpaste and the stuff that goes in the water for their teeth and still you have a nice hefty bill for yearly dentals at the vet.
Gotta keep the little darling's happy home clean too so add in for mountains of paper towels, cases of Odo-Ban,sweeping and mopping supplies and the amount of time you spend bent over picking up poo and doing dog laundry.
So now whoopee, you've had a successful tie and are expecting a litter. Whelping kit including box, hemostats, syringes, ky, heating pad, digital thermometer and scale...etc... check(yes, you get to write another one or two). Then off to the vet for x-rays..cha-ching again and cross fingers for a free whelp. Good news, this one did fine and you only missed one week of work waiting for the 'day' and 4 nights of sleep 'til the little angels were out of the woods. No big deal supplementing just one every couple hours round the clock. Now let's do tails and dew claws and immunizations and spend lots more time socializing and training and monitoring their growth and testing their temperment so you can match them well with the new owners...who? oh yes, the people that you have decided should be a good placement and you've spent time teaching them about care and training and after spending hours on the phone,on-line, answering inquiries, hosting visits from a whole slew of maybe interested people. (some of this is fun, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, but it does take a lot of time). You also realize you are at their disposal permanently. You will gladly take calls in the middle of the night to hear about poo.
OOps, forgot paperwork expenses...registration fees, licenses, microchipping..
Now, all that big money that you just hauled in from the sale of those pups...well, you can't touch that for a year, because you have a money back up to purchase price guarantee to cover congenital problems. Well okay, you've done your homework, so that shouldn't be an issue, but still..you gotta wait...so you're still in the red.
Next breeding girl doesn't take, oh well, wait 6 months try again.you still love her.
Next litter, not so great, uterine inertia, emergency C-section (in the middle of the night of course) no viable pup and a mom who throws a blood clot and goes into a coma and requires ICU. Kiss $5,000. goodbye. After a week in ICU you bring her home and nurse her back to health for the next few months. Special diet, syringe feeding..lots of TLC and you don't want to take a chance with her again...so add in the loss of the $3,000. you paid for her. No pups, no profit and you've been taking care of her for a couple years so let's just call it 9K down the tubes....gulp.
Don't forget puppies sometimes do crazy things just to keep you on your toes. Diarhhea and throwing up over a holiday weekend for no apparent reason...they just thought you looked to well rested and you really wanted to spend $450. at the ER for tests and pedialyte.
Do we hope one of these pups produced has show potential?..heck yes, that's the whole point of knowing you're on the right track...so add in for training time, handling classes, show expenses and more time running around.
Are we getting the picture yet? It's a hobby, done correctly and with just the normal amount of good and bad luck, a very expensive hobby for people that love the breed and don't like to add up sums...
Now I will try to not think about this again for awhile...and if I forgot anything, don't remind me, okay?

[JCarlson2004]

Kathryn and Stacy ... great posts!

[Kathryn_V]

Bravo Stacy, Bravo!!!! Drinks are on me tonight!!! Send me the bill!!!

You are exactly the reason I have NO PROBLEM Paying good money for a Quality Pup!!! Thank you for all that you do!!!

(I'm serious about the Drink!!)

[sylvan]

Hey Kathryn....thanks for getting it.

[lolabella]

Wow. Thank you so much for your post sylvan. I really appreciate good breeders much much more now. Everyone that is considerng breeding should read your post.
I am repeating myself, but I really cannot thank you enough for helping us realize the effort that goes into breeding these little babies.

[candybaby]

Originally Posted by sylvan

The costs for a true hobby breeder to produce healthy pups bred to the standard cannot be summed up with a simple listing of vet expenses for shots etc...for the pups. The list of expenses is beyond what most people even consider. I've done a brief sum up of some of this before, but let's get Stacy real depressed and do it again.
First, spend a lot of time and money doing research on the breed, going to shows to see good examples of the standard so you know what you're looking at, buying umpteen books on the subject, taking days off paying work to hang out with your mentor and watch and listen and learn.
Then find good healthy examples from healthy pedigrees for your breeding program and expect to pay $2,500.-$3,500. for each one of them. Off to the vet for testing to insure that they are healthy by running a whole battery of tests. Blood Panels, x-rays, bile acid etc... cha-ching..and let's not forget..where do they live? hmmm add in for crates, ex-pens, pee pads, bedding,towels, harnesses, leads, water bottles, food dishes, chew toys, slipcovers for the furniture...cause you know they gotta hang with you at movie time and fence in the yard so they're safe outside and if you're really nutty build them their own decked play areas fenced within your fenced-in yard so if someone doesn't close the first gate..nobody's escaping. Oh, and make sure you've got the areas separated to keep the boys from playing with girls when they musn't. That's all about another couple of thousand.
Continue to spend more time and money learning and researching and keeping current on the latest innovations in vet care, training etc..
Next..while we're hanging out waiting for that magical litter of pups that will make our fortune....we gotta take care of the little buggers. Okay, so premium food, plus the weekly extras like yogurt, treats and the filet mignon you'll even try grinding up to try to get the stud boys to eat SOMETHING when they start dropping weight because someone is in heat and they forget about food. Vitamins, wormers, nutrical, goats milk, esbilac...keep shopping the carts not full yet. Let's consider hygiene, shall we? Flea and tick stuff, heartworm preventative, Weekly baths..that's a couple hours of work, add in for shampoos, conditioners, coat treatments, nail and hair clippers, scissors, combs, brushes, wipes, toothpaste and the stuff that goes in the water for their teeth and still you have a nice hefty bill for yearly dentals at the vet.
Gotta keep the little darling's happy home clean too so add in for mountains of paper towels, cases of Odo-Ban,sweeping and mopping supplies and the amount of time you spend bent over picking up poo and doing dog laundry.
So now whoopee, you've had a successful tie and are expecting a litter. Whelping kit including box, hemostats, syringes, ky, heating pad, digital thermometer and scale...etc... check(yes, you get to write another one or two). Then off to the vet for x-rays..cha-ching again and cross fingers for a free whelp. Good news, this one did fine and you only missed one week of work waiting for the 'day' and 4 nights of sleep 'til the little angels were out of the woods. No big deal supplementing just one every couple hours round the clock. Now let's do tails and dew claws and immunizations and spend lots more time socializing and training and monitoring their growth and testing their temperment so you can match them well with the new owners...who? oh yes, the people that you have decided should be a good placement and you've spent time teaching them about care and training and after spending hours on the phone,on-line, answering inquiries, hosting visits from a whole slew of maybe interested people. (some of this is fun, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, but it does take a lot of time). You also realize you are at their disposal permanently. You will gladly take calls in the middle of the night to hear about poo.
OOps, forgot paperwork expenses...registration fees, licenses, microchipping..
Now, all that big money that you just hauled in from the sale of those pups...well, you can't touch that for a year, because you have a money back up to purchase price guarantee to cover congenital problems. Well okay, you've done your homework, so that shouldn't be an issue, but still..you gotta wait...so you're still in the red.
Next breeding girl doesn't take, oh well, wait 6 months try again.you still love her.
Next litter, not so great, uterine inertia, emergency C-section (in the middle of the night of course) no viable pup and a mom who throws a blood clot and goes into a coma and requires ICU. Kiss $5,000. goodbye. After a week in ICU you bring her home and nurse her back to health for the next few months. Special diet, syringe feeding..lots of TLC and you don't want to take a chance with her again...so add in the loss of the $3,000. you paid for her. No pups, no profit and you've been taking care of her for a couple years so let's just call it 9K down the tubes....gulp.
Don't forget puppies sometimes do crazy things just to keep you on your toes. Diarhhea and throwing up over a holiday weekend for no apparent reason...they just thought you looked to well rested and you really wanted to spend $450. at the ER for tests and pedialyte.
Do we hope one of these pups produced has show potential?..heck yes, that's the whole point of knowing you're on the right track...so add in for training time, handling classes, show expenses and more time running around.
Are we getting the picture yet? It's a hobby, done correctly and with just the normal amount of good and bad luck, a very expensive hobby for people that love the breed and don't like to add up sums...
Now I will try to not think about this again for awhile...and if I forgot anything, don't remind me, okay?

This statement right here, "a very expensive hobby for people that love the breed and don't like to add up sums..." is why people should not charge alot for puppies because they do it as a hobby and they love to do it so why charge for something you love to do. If someone is going to complain about all the stuff that needs to be done for the puppies then they should not breed them. And the ones that don't complain then breed them, but just don't expect a high price for them.

There are other dogs that require all that you stated and are top quality and the breeders do not charge thousands of dollars for them. Do you see a pug going for thousands of dollars, a dachshund going for thousands or a chi going for thousands. I mean come on its ridiculous I even seen a yorkie priced at $5000. An A.K.C judge even stated once that a replicable breeder should charge no more than $800-$1000 for a well bred show yorkie and $400-500 for a pet quality. I'm going to find her name and let you know where you can read that article. And I know this judge knows all the costs that goes into breeding a quality yorkie. Breeders charge this for YORKIES because they know people will pay the price for them. But, in reality the yorkies really don't cost that much.

[candybaby]

Originally Posted by Kathryn_V

And so folks... the back yard breeder is born! Followed by the larger scale operations.... Mills.... Turning out Cheap puppies for the masses!!!

Puppies who, in many cases, have not had a proper upbringing, vet care, Vac's, and whatnot!

But hey... poor folks can afford the vet bills when those poorly bred pups fall ill or their genetic faults show up right??? Or do they become the Yorkies that other Poor Folks rescue from the Pounds only to realize that they can't afford to care for them either.... I wonder how many times some of those dogs get shuffled around before someone who Can afford them adopts them.... ????

Maybe Poor Folks should not be spending money on Dogs??? They require a serious amount of upkeep Financially! And it goes WAY BEYOND the cost of Procurement! With Yorkies you are looking at a 15 to 20 year long Commitment! Check ups, Vac's, and preventive care can really add up.... If you properly care for your dog.... You'll spend MANY thousands on it over the years... and I mean your dog could be a down payment on a car by the time your done... Heck, some could pay for a new car outright!

And Did it ever cross anyones mind that a breeder just might charge a really high price in an effort to find a home that CAN afford to give their puppy the life it deserves? The care it needs? The financial security we all would want our Babies to have??

Call me crazy??? But this is how I see it! When I was much younger and paying for gas with Dimes and Quarters... I did not have a Yorkie... I wanted one.... But I could not afford one... End of story!

No matter how much money you have the fact of the matter is breeders are charging too much for the yorkie breed and it's getting ridiculous. I have funds and I think its too much I bought my house, "cash" no payments, I bought my car, "cash" no payments, so not all people complaining about the high priced yorkies are poor.

[SnowWa]

It's only fair that people should be paid for their breeding efforts and hard work.

I, personally, couldn't take a little puppy from someone without paying something for it. It's only fair that people be compensated as much as possible for their expenses - and then even more (if they are professional breeders) for their efforts to maintain and produce high quality purebreeds.

Not paying - is almost like saying that all the farmers should get their chickens, pigs, horses, and cows free also ---

Very few things in life are free. And, being compensated assures most breeders that they can afford to take very good care of their little puppies - their shots, deworming, docking, dew claws removed - vet trips when necessary, etc. And, it helps them with any expenses the mother dog might incur also.

Though $$$$ are what encourage a lot of puppymills, poor breeders, etc.

$$$ (being compensated) are also what help our very best breeders do the wonderful jobs they do also. Few people could breed if every penny had to come out of their own pocket....

Carol Jean

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by lolabella

Wow. Thank you so much for your post sylvan. I really appreciate good breeders much much more now. Everyone that is considerng breeding should read your post.
I am repeating myself, but I really cannot thank you enough for helping us realize the effort that goes into breeding these little babies.

Thank you for 'paying' attention...

[Snow Yorkies]

Hummm... $75.00 dollars for a bunny???? With out a money back guarentee???? Geeesh what happen to the hobby???? Isn't these price exorbitant???

Great Post Stacy and Kathryn_V !!!! And to all of the rest of you that understand us breeders that want to make sure you get the best, healthest, and well solicatized pup that we can produce for loving homes.

[ginnysanchez]

nobody yell at me, but I think it would be ludicrous to expect a breeder to not be paid for their time, to reimburse their expenses, etc. Someone pointed out that there's a difference between working because you "have" to, and working because you "love" what you do (as breeders say).

I'll put this argument in perspective to myself. I "have" to work. Almost every adult person I've ever run into has bills to pay, and so you work to pay them. So I "have" to have a job. However, I also work in radio, and I "love" radio because it's so fun it's not like holding a 'real' job. Because I love it, should I earn no money for it? Should I only be reimbursed for work that I hate--say, I go be a DJ for free on weekends, but get paid to do something that I'd really hate to do Monday-Friday? I should only be allowed to get paid for doing things that I dislike, and should do things that I love for free, simply because I love it?

Did we just time-warp back to the U.S.S.R. or something?

Anyway yes, I believe you should be paid for what you do.

I also believe the high cost of a dog is a DETERRENT to both to irresponsible owners who would get a dog as an impulse purchase, and to good-intentioned owners who would be wonderful pet parents "if only"...if only they could afford the vaccinations...the obedience lessons...the spay/neutering...had enough time to spend...the list goes on and on and on.

The burden is put on the buyer of the dog, then, to seek out responsible breeders...even to look at rescues & shelters as a first stop on the road to pet ownership. I did that, but alas all I could find was pit bulls and I don't think I'd be a good "pet parent" to a breed of dog that I am wary and downright afraid of.

And the burden is on the breeder to responsibly breed, and to sell to people they feel could care for their babies. I personally like the questions breeders ask potential customers on TOP of charging money. To me, that's a mark of responsiblity. They are, after all, tranferring the care of a living being to another person.

[Kona]

Thanks Kathryn and Stacy for those posts...especially Stacy, I went back over that one and read it again. That should be pinned somewhere!

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Hummm... $75.00 dollars for a bunny???? With out a money back guarentee???? Geeesh what happen to the hobby???? Isn't these price exorbitant???

Great Post Stacy and Kathryn_V !!!! And to all of the rest of you that understand us breeders that want to make sure you get the best, healthest, and well solicatized pup that we can produce for loving homes.