Please Help Me With Questions About Selling My Babies!!! PLEASE!!!

[TeddyandTiffy]

I'm sorry U got burned but this is not me and I'm TRYING to be a GOOD Breeder who sells her babies to good homes!

Thanks So Very Much & Hugs, Lee & Babies
Tiffanie "Tiffy" Ranae:
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Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt:
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Originally Posted by Kizzys Mom

I did not mean to come down on all breeders. But I've been ripped off two times as far as puppies being what the breeders claimed. So I guess now I just don't trust many. I mean I know a breeder can not say a dog will be x amt of pounds or x amount of coat and such. But when one tells you the puppy WON'T be over 4 lbs or she would keep her for breeding then you pay her 300 more for that one than the other one and she knew it was because of size she quoted with point blank positive talk and how she had 2 breeders try to buy it and she wouldnt sell it to them, then to me that is just not right. Dont get me wrong. I love kizzy and I want another one, but I would never buy anything from either breeders i've bought from before. I know some people will send in and get registeration papers for like 5 pups. then maybe one or two die and they take a couple from another litter which have bigger parents and register them to the smaller parents and I also know some DO have kennels somewhere on their property and just a few small cages in their house and pretend these puppies are all raised in this clean house and all then you find out they had kennels some place way off on their land where you dont see them and raise all breeds rather than the 3 breeds they claimed was all they had. SEE why I feel like I do. That is why i posted what I did, because I am reading more and more that breeders want your history as to show how you are gonna treat this dog yet you dont get that on them. I have learned a lot now from the two I did business with. I wont say all breeders are bad or do any of the things I just mentioned but I will say next one I buy will come from someone I know or get references on pups she/he has sold before. I think the info should go both ways personally. I've never put either of these breeders names on here as I feel I was ripped off by them but I am not into a smear campaign against anyone that I cant prove did something unscruptous. One puppy I gave 300 dollars for, mixed maltese and poodle, so maltepoo and I totally gave it away and lost everything I had put into it. Even had it neutered and all. It was so hyper it wasnt still except when it was asleep. and I know the breeder couldnt say it wouldnt be. But it kept growing and growing and it was suppose to stay under 6 lbs and last time he was weighed he weighed 8 lbs and still growing. So I gave him to a lady for her little 9 year old daughter whos puppy had got killed. She felt that if he had a child to run and play outside with he would be ok. I was upfront about everything with her before she took the dog. She came to my house and saw exactly how hyper he was. So now you see why I am leary of people. I sure hope you all understand and do not hate me for stating my opinion here. But if so, so be it. I just been thinking on my post since I wrote it and didnt want people to think I meant all breeders are bad. But it is something you learn about some as you go I suppose. Next time anyone tells me distinctively a puppy WILL NOT be over x amt of lbs I will make sure I get it in writing, or I will NOT buy it, since they feel so knowlegible and positive about it they want 300 extra bucks for it. I think she must have seen me coming and she knew I fell in love with it when I saw it. The reason I know some breeders do take some that are not the true puppies is because my neice had 5 snauzers and a guy came to her and wanted to buy them all and he told her that sometimes one or two of his puppies die and he buys others (cheaper ones) to use the registration papers for, hers were ckc and he sold akc. So she wouldnt sell him any of hers. So that to me is very very unethical and down right sorry of him. So please understand why I posted what I did. Sorry for the long post.

[daisysis]

Originally Posted by Kizzys Mom

I personally would never buy any dog from anyone that wanted my life history, background check, references on me. Not that I have anything to hide, but people who buy puppies are gonna have to pay you johnny on the spot. If they wanted all of that info from me, I would expect in return, a 100% guarantee that I could get my money(cash) back not a replacement dog from the same person as I might get the same thing I got from you in the first place. People, wake up and smell the roses. All buyers are not idiots. People are not buying a house from you and making payments on it. Once a dog is sold, to me, its none of the persons business what I do once it leaves their hands. If people are so worried about what is gonna happen to them, why dont they just keep them so they will know what happens. Personally once I buy a dog, I feel like its my baby and I dont even like the idea of people saying whether you can breed one or not. I mean once something is bought and paid for to me it is my property, meaning, NO LONGER YOURS. This sounds like grandparents trying to tell their kids what they can or cant do with their own children. So people can keep adding all their rules in their contracts and wanting to know your history and soon their will be a lot of breeders and back yard breeders with a house full of dogs if others feel like I do. I feel like its bad business to sell anything and have the right of taking their money and then telling them what to do with what they bought, yet nobody that I know of will give you back your money if the dog is suppose to be a certain size and isnt or a certain color or isnt. the buyer can not guarantee you their gonna always keep this particular dog if their not happy with it, but once purchased, its is theirs whether they like how it turns out or not. I would never throw mine away but its my business if I sell it to someone else or give it away or breed it. So anyone on here dont like the way I feel and want to come down on me for it, put yourself in the buyers shoes for a minute. Are you gonna give me references, and can I do a back ground ck on you and can I tell you if this dog gets bigger than 4, 5, etc lbs or its color ends up being yuck or coat being matty, or not shiny or whatever that you have to give me back my money? NO.
So think about what YOU would expect from a seller if you gave them all that info and get nothing in return of what their selling as a guarantee of your money, other than a health guarantee of no genetic defects and such.

This has alot of truth in it something to think about

[YorkieGuru]

I have to agree with some things that were said. I personally want every dog to go to a good home. But the thing that bothers me is, as we ask those questions, they could be lying through their teeth, and how are we suppossed to know any different?
I have never been asked all those questions, but have always voluntered the answers. Once you get me talking about these wonderful furbabies, I can't shut up. I'll tell ya what I'm gonna do with my pup, and tell ya if my backyard is fenced in or not. But I just feel that if someone was to ask me all those questions, i would feel uncomfortable. (even though I know why, they feel, they need to ask) I'm not saying I think you shouldnt ask those questions, I am just saying that I would feel like you think I'm gonna rob a bank or something.
Another thing that bothers me is when I'm told I HAVE to have my dog fixed. If I pay the amount of money that yorkies are going for now-a-days, I should have my choice as to whether or not it is fixed. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, it's just my opinion. My male is going to be fixed but I just hate being told I HAVE to.
But good luck on selling your babies. And I do have to say, I went and looked at your babies, and they are good looking pups. If I was still looking, I'd def. give ya a call.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Yes there is truth to every post here and I will think about and keep in mind everyones thoughts!
Thanks So Very Much & Hugs, Lee & Babies
Tiffanie "Tiffy" Ranae:
http://www.dogster.com/?316369
Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt:
http://www.dogster.com/?316383

[Kizzys Mom]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

Well I've set back and thought about U're thoughts here and they have bothered me all day long so here it goes...



I don't know how I'll write my puppy contract up but it will be in the best intrest of ALL parties involved!!! All I want is them to go to good homes and be well taken care of!!!!!!!!
Thanks for U're thoughts & I will keep in mind how U the buyer might feel as I've been one myself!


Thanks So Very Much & Hugs, Lee & Babies
Tiffanie "Tiffy" Ranae:
http://www.dogster.com/?316369
Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt:
http://www.dogster.com/?316383

well, I wasn't expressly talking ABOUT YOU. I was talking about breeders in general, see the s. that means different ones, not just one. I understand you dont want the yorkies running all around town uncared for as neither would I, but not just yorkies. But do you really think breeders can actually stop a person that buys a dog from you to make sure it doesnt? I know people who are good people and they have a dog, and they love it but it roams around anytime it wants in other peoples yards, but it goes home when its hungry or just ready to go in. So to me their not responsible owners and it makes other people hate the dog but its the owners fault, not the dog. but as I've found out, nothing I can do to stop it but shoot the dog and there is no way I could do that. So I fenced in my yard for not only my dogs safety from going out of my yard but for her safety from others coming in my yard. I am responsible for my dog not their dogs. Dogs ramblin Not only put themselves in jeopardy but also the welfare of people.
I want you to know, that when you ask people all this stuff their answers might not mean crap just like asking some breeders questions and their answers dont mean anything either. It is the way lots of people are. But breeders (in general, not meaning you personally), can gather all the info in the world on anyone and never stop the people from buying, breeding, selling and sending dogs to the pound to be killed or just turn them out to be on their own. It seems to me breeders who care do try to stop all dogs from harm, well it aint gonna happen. No matter how much info you have. Too many people into breeding now just for money. Just like I can ask some breeders questions and get references and bg's on them and it aint gonna stop puppy mills. But in reference to you saying it like I was personally talking about you, I wasnt. I sincerely apologize if you were offended but if you read it close I was referring to bad breeders in general that dont worry about disappointing a buyer and those kind know who they are. I saw your puppies and I think they are adorable and I admire you for telling the truth and not trying to sell them off to someone that isnt yorkie smart and end up disappointing people. I admire people for honesty as I was honest with my opinions on breeders. ( breeders in general again).
so with all that said, goodluck selling your pups to good homes. But I still have my same opinion on contracts being equal for both parties as there are crooks on both sides and good people on both sides. And I still dont agree to give anyone my personal info for a bkgrd ck after all, i'm not under investigation for a crime. I am willing to answer questions that I feel are appropriate and ask the same of the breeder.

[MyTrixie143]

I have watched this thread for some time now and now I am going to give you my two cents....

TeddyandTiffanie, I feel you are doing everything right and I applaude you for wanting to be a great breeder and for truly caring about your puppies, keep up the good work!!!

I believe the truly good breeders should ask questions and your history on past dogs. After you have been breeding for awhile, you can sort out the liars from the truly good caring people. Just ask the most respected breeders here at YT. Same goes for the buyer, you can sort out the honest and good breeders from the decietful and bad ones. So, I have to disagree with Kizzy'smom, breeder should ask the right questions and have a right to know about your history with dogs. I am talk about a backround check like something you would get done for a particular job. I am talking about your history of past and present animals. And the breeder does have the right to know what is going on with the puppy they sold. Because of that breeder, that puppy was brought into the world and cared for, so it is the breeder's responsibilty that it gets a good home. I could never ever live with myself knowing that a puppy I sold went to a puppymill or ended up in a shelter. The breeder is merly taking responsibilty by saying that the puppy must be spayed/neutered. Do you know how many accidental breedings there are?? Or how about, the dog simply is not suitable for breeding and should not be bred? Or how about all the health risks of keeping a dog that is not spayed/neutered?? All in all, the breeder is doing the best by requiring you to spay/neuter that puppy. If the breeder feels that the puppy is suitable for breeding and feels that you would be a responsible caring breeder, than they can allow you to breed the puppy. If you don't want to spay/neuter the puppy like the breeder said, then you don't deserve that puppy. The breeder has every right to know your intentions with the puppy. And alot of breeder that I know, do check up on the puppies they sold and have every right to do so. If all breeders never did any of this, then there would be alot more puppymill puppies or puppies ending up in a shelter. Buying a puppy is a commitment, a commitment to the puppy as well as the breeder, if you can't handle it buy a puppy from someone else.

You also said to take it from the buyer's shoes. I would have no problem buying a puppy with a spay/neuter contract if that is what they wanted. And I want them to know what my intentions are and what I will being doing with the puppy. Also, when you buy a puppy from a great breeder then sure they will give you references and even a history if you ask them.

Oh and one more thing, breeders, can not guarantee weight, color, or coat type. It just is not possible. It would be like saying you are going to have 3 kids in your entire lifetime or in two days you are going to get a car wreck. People can not predict the future and that is what you are asking them to do. The good breeder can tell you what past litters have turned out to look like or even give you and estimate of what the puppy will turn out to be like, but it is after all only a guess. Unless, the puppy is a year old or close to it, they really have no way of predicting what the puppy will look like, that would be predicting the future. Any breeder that says they guarantee a puppy will be a certain size or color is not a good breeder.

[candybaby]

I have also been reading all the threads and what I don't agree with is the spay/neuter contract. If everyone spayed/neutered their dogs then where would we buy our new puppies from?????????????????????????????? Oh, it's okay for you guys to breed but nobody else can. How do you know the people purchasing the puppies won't be good breeders. Afterall, somebody gave you breeders a chance or you would not be breeding, because you all would have spayed/neutered your yorkies.

BUT, I do understand that their are people out there that will just breed for money and not care about the animals health. I think our government should step in and make a law that states, "if you breed a dog and not care about their health then that person should be imprisoned", but then how would you find the bad breeder. I truly don't know if there is an answer that could solve this problem, but I know by not letting everyone not breed is not right. There are alot of good people out there that would love to breed and raise puppies.

[Kizzys Mom]

Originally Posted by MyTrixie143

I have watched this thread for some time now and now I am going to give you my two cents....

TeddyandTiffanie, I feel you are doing everything right and I applaude you for wanting to be a great breeder and for truly caring about your puppies, keep up the good work!!!

I believe the truly good breeders should ask questions and your history on past dogs. After you have been breeding for awhile, you can sort out the liars from the truly good caring people. Just ask the most respected breeders here at YT. Same goes for the buyer, you can sort out the honest and good breeders from the decietful and bad ones. So, I have to disagree with Kizzy'smom, breeder should ask the right questions and have a right to know about your history with dogs. I am talk about a backround check like something you would get done for a particular job. I am talking about your history of past and present animals. And the breeder does have the right to know what is going on with the puppy they sold. Because of that breeder, that puppy was brought into the world and cared for, so it is the breeder's responsibilty that it gets a good home. I could never ever live with myself knowing that a puppy I sold went to a puppymill or ended up in a shelter. The breeder is merly taking responsibilty by saying that the puppy must be spayed/neutered. Do you know how many accidental breedings there are?? Or how about, the dog simply is not suitable for breeding and should not be bred? Or how about all the health risks of keeping a dog that is not spayed/neutered?? All in all, the breeder is doing the best by requiring you to spay/neuter that puppy. If the breeder feels that the puppy is suitable for breeding and feels that you would be a responsible caring breeder, than they can allow you to breed the puppy. If you don't want to spay/neuter the puppy like the breeder said, then you don't deserve that puppy. The breeder has every right to know your intentions with the puppy. And alot of breeder that I know, do check up on the puppies they sold and have every right to do so. If all breeders never did any of this, then there would be alot more puppymill puppies or puppies ending up in a shelter. Buying a puppy is a commitment, a commitment to the puppy as well as the breeder, if you can't handle it buy a puppy from someone else.

You also said to take it from the buyer's shoes. I would have no problem buying a puppy with a spay/neuter contract if that is what they wanted. And I want them to know what my intentions are and what I will being doing with the puppy. Also, when you buy a puppy from a great breeder then sure they will give you references and even a history if you ask them.

Oh and one more thing, breeders, can not guarantee weight, color, or coat type. It just is not possible. It would be like saying you are going to have 3 kids in your entire lifetime or in two days you are going to get a car wreck. People can not predict the future and that is what you are asking them to do. The good breeder can tell you what past litters have turned out to look like or even give you and estimate of what the puppy will turn out to be like, but it is after all only a guess. Unless, the puppy is a year old or close to it, they really have no way of predicting what the puppy will look like, that would be predicting the future. Any breeder that says they guarantee a puppy will be a certain size or color is not a good breeder.

Any breeder that says they guarantee a puppy will be a certain size or color is not a good breeder.
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Exactly what I said. But one that says a puppy WILL NOT BE OVER 4 LBS and is a breeder should give you that guarantee when they emphasize this over and over and say they already turned down 2 breeders offer to buy her because she would NOT be big enough to breed. To me she should of been honest and said it doesnt seem the dog will ever get very big but I wont say she will NOT since you never know. I am talking about the very thing that makes a breeder bad, and that is lying when they totally have no way of promising that. So like I said, there is good and bad on both sides and whether you agree with me or not is no concern to me. I still have a right to my opinion same as everyone else. Now you tell me I dont deserve a dog just because I dont feel like they have a right to say you CAN'T unless you have it spade/neutered and give let someone I dont even know do a bg ck on me? That is absurd. I deserve to buy whatever I am willing to buy that someone wants to sell me. I didnt say a dog should not be spayed/neutered, I'm saying all these breeders want to put it in contracts but until a breeder talks to the buyer and sees what kind of person is buying the dog then that should not be in the contract if they are responsible people unless there is a good reason it should HAVE to be done. I also couldnt care less what anyone here thinks of me on my post, I can promise you, Kizzy's breeder couldnt have bought her a better home with better care or more loving people, but she has not called once to see how she is after thinking she would be so tiny so apparently she didnt care if she was ok or not, she also let her go at 6 weeks old. Dont tell me about breeders and buyers. There is all kind of people in this world. And asking for personal info for a back ground ck to me is just totally something I would never go for. Their not hiring me for a job, I am buying my job from them. Their not gonna pay me a dime more or less if I take care of her or not. So that is my 2 cents for what its worth. And how many dogs have you ever took back and gave the buyer actual cash for or does your contract say, replace with another dog of equal quality and value and if you dont have another then it says they get their money back. Well why would anyone want a dog from the same person that sold them a bad one in the first place? But I do understand bad dog as in a health problem it has when you buy it. But that is the contract you sign from any breeders that I've seen or heard of. I was never ask for info for a back ground ck or anything else for that matter. I did not say anything whatsoever about teddyandtiffany being bad breeders. It was merely what I think about some breeders and some contracts going to far. She ask opinions for what should be put in it. That was my opinion. If you recall, I havent ask for your opinion I dont have to defend my opinions as you dont either. we all have one. But I also didnt ask her to predict my dogs future size but she did. That would be like me predicting nobody here would tell me I dont deserve a dog if I dont want to give them my history for a bg chk and I still wouldnt. But for your info Kizzy will be spayed next month out of the love I have for her, not because it was in a contract. Same as I had my last puppy neutered.

[MyTrixie143]

I think things were misinterpeted, so I will try to explain myself.

Exactly what I said. But one that says a puppy WILL NOT BE OVER 4 LBS and is a breeder should give you that guarantee when they emphasize this over and over and say they already turned down 2 breeders offer to buy her because she would NOT be big enough to breed. To me she should of been honest and said it doesnt seem the dog will ever get very big but I wont say she will NOT since you never know.

I agree with you and it was stupid on her part, she should have said that I am only guessing this and she can get bigger than 4 pounds and I am sorry you had to deal with this situation.

I am talking about the very thing that makes a breeder bad, and that is lying when they totally have no way of promising that. So like I said, there is good and bad on both sides and whether you agree with me or not is no concern to me. I still have a right to my opinion same as everyone else.

Now you tell me I dont deserve a dog just because I dont feel like they have a right to say you CAN'T unless you have it spade/neutered and give let someone I dont even know do a bg ck on me?

Perhaps I just don't understand why you would not want to spay/neuter the pup. The breeder should be a good judge on whether the pup is suitable for breeding and if it is not, then why not spay/neuter??? Other than for breeding a dog, why would you keep him/her intact, unless you plan to show?? Oh and if the dog is suitable for breeding then I would not see why the breeder would not wait until they talked to the person to see whether or not the dog would be spayed/neutered.
As for the back round check, the only thing I would check on is vet records and potential buyers agree to this, the breeder does not do it behind their backs without them knowing about it. I would not care or need other personal information such as are you married, have you committed a crime, where do you work, is just is not relevant. Just a simple vet check to see if you keep up with the care of your dogs, vaccinations and preventatives. I don't see the harm in that....

That is absurd. I deserve to buy whatever I am willing to buy that someone wants to sell me. I didnt say a dog should not be spayed/neutered, I'm saying all these breeders want to put it in contracts but until a breeder talks to the buyer and sees what kind of person is buying the dog then that should not be in the contract if they are responsible people unless there is a good reason it should HAVE to be done. I also couldnt care less what anyone here thinks of me on my post, I can promise you, Kizzy's breeder couldnt have bought her a better home with better care or more loving people, but she has not called once to see how she is after thinking she would be so tiny so apparently she didnt care if she was ok or not, she also let her go at 6 weeks old. Dont tell me about breeders and buyers. There is all kind of people in this world. And asking for personal info for a back ground ck to me is just totally something I would never go for. Their not hiring me for a job, I am buying my job from them. Their not gonna pay me a dime more or less if I take care of her or not. So that is my 2 cents for what its worth.

And how many dogs have you ever took back and gave the buyer actual cash for or does your contract say, replace with another dog of equal quality and value and if you dont have another then it says they get their money back. Well why would anyone want a dog from the same person that sold them a bad one in the first place?

My personal preference would be to either have a full refund, yes cash, or
replace the puppy with another one. I don't think it is fair to just say you will can only have a puppy replaced and no refunds otherwise. I also like to buy from only breeders that have both options, it makes more sense and I feel more comfortable with it. Like you said why would you want another puppy from the same person if the puppy you had you were not happy with, it just does not make sense.

But I do understand bad dog as in a health problem it has when you buy it. But that is the contract you sign from any breeders that I've seen or heard of. I was never ask for info for a back ground ck or anything else for that matter. I did not say anything whatsoever about teddyandtiffany being bad breeders. It was merely what I think about some breeders and some contracts going to far. She ask opinions for what should be put in it. That was my opinion. If you recall, I havent ask for your opinion I dont have to defend my opinions as you dont either. we all have one. But I also didnt ask her to predict my dogs future size but she did. That would be like me predicting nobody here would tell me I dont deserve a dog if I dont want to give them my history for a bg chk and I still wouldnt. But for your info Kizzy will be spayed next month out of the love I have for her, not because it was in a contract. Same as I had my last puppy neutered.

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by candybaby

I have also been reading all the threads and what I don't agree with is the spay/neuter contract. If everyone spayed/neutered their dogs then where would we buy our new puppies from?????????????????????????????? Oh, it's okay for you guys to breed but nobody else can. How do you know the people purchasing the puppies won't be good breeders. Afterall, somebody gave you breeders a chance or you would not be breeding, because you all would have spayed/neutered your yorkies.

BUT, I do understand that their are people out there that will just breed for money and not care about the animals health. I think our government should step in and make a law that states, "if you breed a dog and not care about their health then that person should be imprisoned", but then how would you find the bad breeder. I truly don't know if there is an answer that could solve this problem, but I know by not letting everyone not breed is not right. There are alot of good people out there that would love to breed and raise puppies.

I never said every single puppy should be required a spay/neuter contract and if I implied that then I am sorry, that is not what I meant at all.
I believe if the puppy is suitable for breeding, the breeder should give the owner the option. I do understand to a point though why some breeders will insist on a spay/neuter contract with no exceptions but like you said if everyone did this, there would be very few puppies. Take biewers for example, their are very few here because all the breeder insist on a spay/neuter contract no exceptions and in my opinion this is not right, they won't even take it in consideration, even if you are a top breeder and raise the best dogs and have the best care for them. Someone is going to have to give in, or there won't be any biewers here. I myself see no problem with letting someone breed the puppy they buy if it is suitable for breeding and if the owner is responsible and cares for them. If he/she is not suitable for breeding, then why would you want to breed him/her? Why not spay/neuter?? You don't want to make the breed worse but better and this would be where a spay/neuter contract would come up.

I wish too that the goverment would make such a law, but I highly doubt that will ever happen, it would be too much like living in a perfect world which will never happen.

[Kizzys Mom]

I think things were misinterpeted. I am wondering who misinterpeted it.

Perhaps I just don't understand why you would not want to spay/neuter the pup. The breeder should be a good judge on whether the pup is suitable for breeding and if it is not, then why not spay/neuter??? Other than for breeding a dog, why would you keep him/her intact, unless you plan to show??


Maybe you need to re read my post.
I said: "See what kind of person is buying the dog then that should not be in the contract if they are responsible people unless there is a good reason it should HAVE to be done. this is my last words on this subject. so have a nice day.

[TeddyandTiffy]

I want to THANK Each of U that has posted to my questions...I truely appreciate them...I didn't mean to get anyone on here upset or step on anyones toes!! I just wanted to see what U all thought I should do after all there are what I'd say experts here!! As far as the back ground check...NO I will NOT do that!! I too myself think that is going a little to far and really if one was to think about it how would it help with find out how someone will care for a puppy?? (Unless there was one who had been in jail for mistreating animals or something of that sort, U do here of that here...In the next city from mine there was a man who had horses that were starving (He already had been told to NEVER have any more horses) and the city fined him and he was put in jail!) As far as Vet records now I do think that is a good idea!! For that way we might be able to tell how they treated their other dogs they may of had...Such as shots...If the puppy say broke a leg, did they take it back for it's check up if the Vet said they had to?? I see no wrong ini the Vet references. Please don't think I'm being hateful here I'm not and I too apologize to anyone I offended here...I'm not angry at anyone here for anything said. I am very glad I did ask this question and I hope it will help others who may wonder what I do! All our opinions do mean something weither or not others agree or not...U all are the best and I'm glad I joined here!
Thanks So Very Much & Hugs, Lee & Babies
Tiffanie "Tiffy" Ranae:
http://www.dogster.com/?316369
Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt:
http://www.dogster.com/?316383

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Kizzys Mom

well, I wasn't expressly talking ABOUT YOU. I was talking about breeders in general, see the s. that means different ones, not just one.
No Offense taken!
I understand you dont want the yorkies running all around town uncared for as neither would I, but not just yorkies. But do you really think breeders can actually stop a person that buys a dog from you to make sure it doesnt? I know people who are good people and they have a dog, and they love it but it roams around anytime it wants in other peoples yards, but it goes home when its hungry or just ready to go in. So to me their not responsible owners and it makes other people hate the dog but its the owners fault, not the dog. but as I've found out, nothing I can do to stop it but shoot the dog and there is no way I could do that. So I fenced in my yard for not only my dogs safety from going out of my yard but for her safety from others coming in my yard. I am responsible for my dog not their dogs. Dogs ramblin Not only put themselves in jeopardy but also the welfare of people.


I want you to know, that when you ask people all this stuff their answers might not mean crap just like asking some breeders questions and their answers dont mean anything either. It is the way lots of people are. But breeders (in general, not meaning you personally), can gather all the info in the world on anyone and never stop the people from buying, breeding, selling and sending dogs to the pound to be killed or just turn them out to be on their own. It seems to me breeders who care do try to stop all dogs from harm, well it aint gonna happen. No matter how much info you have. Too many people into breeding now just for money. Just like I can ask some breeders questions and get references and bg's on them and it aint gonna stop puppy mills.
I know this & It doesn't hurt to let the people who are buying U're babies know that U are a caring breeder & Very concerned about how this baby will be taken care of. & I would like to know if they are going to be able to spend the time Yorkees need with them or will they be working 10 or 12 hours a day and my puppy be crated all that time? Anyone knows ANY dog couldn't take that!

But in reference to you saying it like I was personally talking about you, I wasnt. I sincerely apologize if you were offended but if you read it close I was referring to bad breeders in general that dont worry about disappointing a buyer and those kind know who they are. I saw your puppies and I think they are adorable and I admire you for telling the truth and not trying to sell them off to someone that isnt yorkie smart and end up disappointing people. I admire people for honesty as I was honest with my opinions on breeders. ( breeders in general again).

No U're fine, no offense taken here!!...I'm not mad and I respect U're thoughts too!!! Thank U so much and I do deeply love my babies so much! I don't want anyone to be disappointed in my babies...They WILL NOT be TINEYs!! But they do have hearts of gold and lots of puppy kisses to give just like a TINEY and others can put their hair up in bows (I won't tell U they will stay in bows! LOL!) ...Dress them and such just like TINEYs


so with all that said, goodluck selling your pups to good homes. But I still have my same opinion on contracts being equal for both parties as there are crooks on both sides and good people on both sides. And I still dont agree to give anyone my personal info for a bkgrd ck after all, i'm not under investigation for a crime. I am willing to answer questions that I feel are appropriate and ask the same of the breeder.

Thank U again!
Thanks So Very Much & Hugs, Lee & Babies
Tiffanie "Tiffy" Ranae:
http://www.dogster.com/?316369
Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt:
http://www.dogster.com/?316383

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by YorkieGuru

I have to agree with some things that were said. I personally want every dog to go to a good home. But the thing that bothers me is, as we ask those questions, they could be lying through their teeth, and how are we suppossed to know any different?

We really don't...We just have to say a prayer every night like I have done since these babies were born, for God to watch over them & keep them safe! God has richly blessed me with a house full of love!! Human, Dog & Puppy!!

I have never been asked all those questions, but have always voluntered the answers. Once you get me talking about these wonderful furbabies, I can't shut up. I'll tell ya what I'm gonna do with my pup, and tell ya if my backyard is fenced in or not.

See that is me...They too are my life!! I'd be lost with out my babies (Human and dogs...They are so easy to get attached to!!

But I just feel that if someone was to ask me all those questions, i would feel uncomfortable. (even though I know why, they feel, they need to ask) I'm not saying I think you shouldnt ask those questions, I am just saying that I would feel like you think I'm gonna rob a bank or something.

See I understand...But I just wish my breeders would of ask me questions...Not either one of them ask me a THING!!!!!!! I just bought them and was gone!! So I've learned from that too!!

Another thing that bothers me is when I'm told I HAVE to have my dog fixed. If I pay the amount of money that yorkies are going for now-a-days, I should have my choice as to whether or not it is fixed. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, it's just my opinion. My male is going to be fixed but I just hate being told I HAVE to.

I thought that too on another post I made...It really upset me when the person told me that I need to have them fixed...At 1st I didn't understand it at all and was very upset...After reading why and others thoughts about it and seeing that pretty little YORKEE of my neighbors running loose now I 100% understand why!!! And I myself think it's a good idea...I KNOW mine are PET QUALITY not SHOW so there is NO reason for the new owners not to fix them...Neither one of my Tiffanies or Teddys breeders said anything about fixing mine...I got NOTHING but my babies!! No contracts nothing...

But good luck on selling your babies. And I do have to say, I went and looked at your babies, and they are good looking pups. If I was still looking, I'd def. give ya a call.

Thanks so very much...They in my eyes are so pretty/handsome!

Thanks So Very Much & Hugs, Lee & Babies
Tiffanie "Tiffy" Ranae:
http://www.dogster.com/?316369
Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt:
http://www.dogster.com/?316383

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by MyTrixie143

I have watched this thread for some time now and now I am going to give you my two cents....

TeddyandTiffanie, I feel you are doing everything right and I applaude you for wanting to be a great breeder and for truly caring about your puppies, keep up the good work!!!

Thank U so very much!! I just want to learn and try not to make mistakes that would harm my babies! Or any future litters we may have.

I believe the truly good breeders should ask questions and your history on past dogs. After you have been breeding for awhile, you can sort out the liars from the truly good caring people. Just ask the most respected breeders here at YT. Same goes for the buyer, you can sort out the honest and good breeders from the decietful and bad ones.

I hope I can learn & weed them out!! I see no problem in asking questions either!

So, I have to disagree with Kizzy'smom, breeder should ask the right questions and have a right to know about your history with dogs. I am talk about a backround check like something you would get done for a particular job. I am talking about your history of past and present animals. And the breeder does have the right to know what is going on with the puppy they sold. Because of that breeder, that puppy was brought into the world and cared for, so it is the breeder's responsibilty that it gets a good home. I could never ever live with myself knowing that a puppy I sold went to a puppymill or ended up in a shelter.

Yes this is why I'm concerned about who and where my babies go!

The breeder is merly taking responsibilty by saying that the puppy must be spayed/neutered. Do you know how many accidental breedings there are?? Or how about, the dog simply is not suitable for breeding and should not be bred? Or how about all the health risks of keeping a dog that is not spayed/neutered?? All in all, the breeder is doing the best by requiring you to spay/neuter that puppy.

Yes this is ALL true & I see nothing wrong in asking to spay/neuter puppies.


If the breeder feels that the puppy is suitable for breeding and feels that you would be a responsible caring breeder, than they can allow you to breed the puppy. If you don't want to spay/neuter the puppy like the breeder said, then you don't deserve that puppy. The breeder has every right to know your intentions with the puppy.

Yes we do have the right to know anyones intentions as far as buying puppies from breeders.


And alot of breeder that I know, do check up on the puppies they sold and have every right to do so. If all breeders never did any of this, then there would be alot more puppymill puppies or puppies ending up in a shelter. Buying a puppy is a commitment, a commitment to the puppy as well as the breeder, if you can't handle it buy a puppy from someone else.


Yes I would like to call them from time to time and ask for photos too...Teddys owner was calling me like every day and that did bother me!! He finally stopped doing it & I haven't talked to him in like 14 months!! It was something for him to call all the time when we 1st bought him and then just not call anymore...Maybe he was missing him?? I won't call people and drive them crazy. U're right about the puppy mills and puppies going to shelters for someone who bought a puppy and then decided they couldn't handle it!

You also said to take it from the buyer's shoes. I would have no problem buying a puppy with a spay/neuter contract if that is what they wanted. And I want them to know what my intentions are and what I will being doing with the puppy. Also, when you buy a puppy from a great breeder then sure they will give you references and even a history if you ask them.

Yes I will give histroy and references (Altho I don't have any breeder references yet as this is our 1st litter!)

Oh and one more thing, breeders, can not guarantee weight, color, or coat type. It just is not possible. It would be like saying you are going to have 3 kids in your entire lifetime or in two days you are going to get a car wreck. People can not predict the future and that is what you are asking them to do. The good breeder can tell you what past litters have turned out to look like or even give you and estimate of what the puppy will turn out to be like, but it is after all only a guess. Unless, the puppy is a year old or close to it, they really have no way of predicting what the puppy will look like, that would be predicting the future. Any breeder that says they guarantee a puppy will be a certain size or color is not a good breeder.

Thanks So Very Much & Hugs, Lee & Babies
Tiffanie "Tiffy" Ranae:
http://www.dogster.com/?316369
Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt:
http://www.dogster.com/?316383