[Kizzys Mom]

Originally Posted by MyTrixie143

I have watched this thread for some time now and now I am going to give you my two cents....

TeddyandTiffanie, I feel you are doing everything right and I applaude you for wanting to be a great breeder and for truly caring about your puppies, keep up the good work!!!

I believe the truly good breeders should ask questions and your history on past dogs. After you have been breeding for awhile, you can sort out the liars from the truly good caring people. Just ask the most respected breeders here at YT. Same goes for the buyer, you can sort out the honest and good breeders from the decietful and bad ones. So, I have to disagree with Kizzy'smom, breeder should ask the right questions and have a right to know about your history with dogs. I am talk about a backround check like something you would get done for a particular job. I am talking about your history of past and present animals. And the breeder does have the right to know what is going on with the puppy they sold. Because of that breeder, that puppy was brought into the world and cared for, so it is the breeder's responsibilty that it gets a good home. I could never ever live with myself knowing that a puppy I sold went to a puppymill or ended up in a shelter. The breeder is merly taking responsibilty by saying that the puppy must be spayed/neutered. Do you know how many accidental breedings there are?? Or how about, the dog simply is not suitable for breeding and should not be bred? Or how about all the health risks of keeping a dog that is not spayed/neutered?? All in all, the breeder is doing the best by requiring you to spay/neuter that puppy. If the breeder feels that the puppy is suitable for breeding and feels that you would be a responsible caring breeder, than they can allow you to breed the puppy. If you don't want to spay/neuter the puppy like the breeder said, then you don't deserve that puppy. The breeder has every right to know your intentions with the puppy. And alot of breeder that I know, do check up on the puppies they sold and have every right to do so. If all breeders never did any of this, then there would be alot more puppymill puppies or puppies ending up in a shelter. Buying a puppy is a commitment, a commitment to the puppy as well as the breeder, if you can't handle it buy a puppy from someone else.

You also said to take it from the buyer's shoes. I would have no problem buying a puppy with a spay/neuter contract if that is what they wanted. And I want them to know what my intentions are and what I will being doing with the puppy. Also, when you buy a puppy from a great breeder then sure they will give you references and even a history if you ask them.

Oh and one more thing, breeders, can not guarantee weight, color, or coat type. It just is not possible. It would be like saying you are going to have 3 kids in your entire lifetime or in two days you are going to get a car wreck. People can not predict the future and that is what you are asking them to do. The good breeder can tell you what past litters have turned out to look like or even give you and estimate of what the puppy will turn out to be like, but it is after all only a guess. Unless, the puppy is a year old or close to it, they really have no way of predicting what the puppy will look like, that would be predicting the future. Any breeder that says they guarantee a puppy will be a certain size or color is not a good breeder.

Any breeder that says they guarantee a puppy will be a certain size or color is not a good breeder.
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Exactly what I said. But one that says a puppy WILL NOT BE OVER 4 LBS and is a breeder should give you that guarantee when they emphasize this over and over and say they already turned down 2 breeders offer to buy her because she would NOT be big enough to breed. To me she should of been honest and said it doesnt seem the dog will ever get very big but I wont say she will NOT since you never know. I am talking about the very thing that makes a breeder bad, and that is lying when they totally have no way of promising that. So like I said, there is good and bad on both sides and whether you agree with me or not is no concern to me. I still have a right to my opinion same as everyone else. Now you tell me I dont deserve a dog just because I dont feel like they have a right to say you CAN'T unless you have it spade/neutered and give let someone I dont even know do a bg ck on me? That is absurd. I deserve to buy whatever I am willing to buy that someone wants to sell me. I didnt say a dog should not be spayed/neutered, I'm saying all these breeders want to put it in contracts but until a breeder talks to the buyer and sees what kind of person is buying the dog then that should not be in the contract if they are responsible people unless there is a good reason it should HAVE to be done. I also couldnt care less what anyone here thinks of me on my post, I can promise you, Kizzy's breeder couldnt have bought her a better home with better care or more loving people, but she has not called once to see how she is after thinking she would be so tiny so apparently she didnt care if she was ok or not, she also let her go at 6 weeks old. Dont tell me about breeders and buyers. There is all kind of people in this world. And asking for personal info for a back ground ck to me is just totally something I would never go for. Their not hiring me for a job, I am buying my job from them. Their not gonna pay me a dime more or less if I take care of her or not. So that is my 2 cents for what its worth. And how many dogs have you ever took back and gave the buyer actual cash for or does your contract say, replace with another dog of equal quality and value and if you dont have another then it says they get their money back. Well why would anyone want a dog from the same person that sold them a bad one in the first place? But I do understand bad dog as in a health problem it has when you buy it. But that is the contract you sign from any breeders that I've seen or heard of. I was never ask for info for a back ground ck or anything else for that matter. I did not say anything whatsoever about teddyandtiffany being bad breeders. It was merely what I think about some breeders and some contracts going to far. She ask opinions for what should be put in it. That was my opinion. If you recall, I havent ask for your opinion I dont have to defend my opinions as you dont either. we all have one. But I also didnt ask her to predict my dogs future size but she did. That would be like me predicting nobody here would tell me I dont deserve a dog if I dont want to give them my history for a bg chk and I still wouldnt. But for your info Kizzy will be spayed next month out of the love I have for her, not because it was in a contract. Same as I had my last puppy neutered.