New dog bites puppies, help, anyone on how to stop this?

[Lady of Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Key2Yorkies

Sylvia,
It sounds like there's way to many"RAGING HORMONES" in one House

My Roxy gets quite irritable when she starts her heat. This poor little girl needs a break from chaotic lifestyles. I agrees with Yorkie3, I would give her one more heat cycle before breeding her. She needs a period of readjustment and getting used to the routine around your home/kennel. I also agree with SnowWa, I would definitely find her a new home

rather than put her down.
PLEASE,PLEASE! DON'T DO THAT !!
You could probably get what you paid for her. So I wouldn't worry about that. If you post her here you will probably find a loving home for her where she is not expected to be anything other than a little girl that needs a break! LOL
Key2Yorkies ~ Jan

Thanks, but I really don't want to put her down. None of it is her fault. I'm not mad at her in the least. My kids are confused by her behaviour but they seem to understand that what she has been thru has made her feel lost and alone and afraid to trust. She does trust people but I'm sure she doesn't trust situations. I just want to be able to deal with the situations that crop up in a knowledgeable manner. If I were really considering putting her down or getting rid of her, I wouldn't have asked for help. I'm looking for options. Sylvia

[Lady of Yorkies]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Hmmm...my suggestion would be that maybe you should keep her and the puppies completely separated for now. I don't think it was the most ideal situation to bring a new dog in around such little ones. Lol...seems you may have gotten in over your head bringing in a new, obviously dominant, female to an environment where you already have your hands full caring for two litters?
In any case, if she is loving otherwise and is just not getting along with the dogs you already have, I would not think the logical choice would be to have her put down, but maybe rather have her put in another home with someone who has more time and patience to give her the attention she needs to adapt to a new home.
Good Luck!

Thank you. I am keeping them separated and it was only yesterday that my little girl decided to try to take on Tinker. I have always had such easy going dogs that it never occured to me that there would be a problem with the babies. My xpen where the babies are is 4 ft high. It didn't occur to me that she would jump from the back of the sofa into the pen. It's a wonder she didn't hurt herself. I think she really, really, REALLY wants babies. Other than that one problem she is fine in the household. She gets along with the other mother and all the other dogs, including a chow/lab mix my dil has. I really don't want her to move again, I don't want her to have trust issues. I think that if we just give it time and I gather some more training tips that things will work out. She's such a nice dog. Sylvia

[Lady of Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Susanbee51

Unless you plan on not having any more litters, it might not be a bad idea to find a new loving home to place Tinker in. Since she is new in your home, she hasn't had time to adjust to her new surroundings. It would be better to place her now instead of waiting to see how she does, and after she has bonded with your family. If you plan on keeping her, I would wait to breed her. You have one in heat now that you plan on breeding. One litter at a time would be better than having two, especially with the uncertainty of how Tinker is going to handle her pups.

You fell in love with her. I am sure another family would too.

Yes, we have fallen in love with her and I know how my family will react to most situations. I would be afraid to pass her on, I wouldn't know if someone would get mad because she does something and hit her. I think she might be highstrung enough right now that if someone were cruel to her she could go mean. The last owner kept her out in the kennel and she said it was because she wasn't house broken. Other than the day we got her home, she hasn't had any accidents in the house. Sylvia

[ytsirk27]

yes...please keep them seperated. I guess I dont understand why you would put her down??? What you expect really??? Maybe you should have thought this thru alittle more but thats JMO. not trying to be harsh but thinking of putting a dog down when shes really done nothing wrong besides the puppy thing but thats where you gotta come in and think everything thru.

[Lady of Yorkies]

Originally Posted by ytsirk27

yes...please keep them seperated. I guess I dont understand why you would put her down??? What you expect really??? Maybe you should have thought this thru alittle more but thats JMO. not trying to be harsh but thinking of putting a dog down when shes really done nothing wrong besides the puppy thing but thats where you gotta come in and think everything thru.

No, I will go thru all options before I have to do that. I tend to try to think too far ahead. I am just trying to gather all options to try to prevent anything from going that far. If things don't work out here I will be consulting with my vet and keeping in contact with him about her. I don't know how long it will take but I'm one of those people that keep going long after everyone else has given up. I just want to be prepared in all ways for anything that could come up. Sylvia

[ytsirk27]

Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies

No, I will go thru all options before I have to do that. I tend to try to think too far ahead. I am just trying to gather all options to try to prevent anything from going that far. If things don't work out here I will be consulting with my vet and keeping in contact with him about her. I don't know how long it will take but I'm one of those people that keep going long after everyone else has given up. I just want to be prepared in all ways for anything that could come up. Sylvia

I guess im just not understanding....shes 22 months old and she attacked some puppies....and your going to breed her when you have seen her reaction to other puppies???that makes no sense and just sounds like money money money to me. I would personally not breed her but im not a breeder either i guess. If she is so wonderful in the house except for the puppy thing why not resell her instead of putting her down...that makes NO sence whats so ever!!!

[Lady of Yorkies]

Right at this moment I feel like I've made a mountain out of a mole hill. It feels like things have gotten blown out of proportion. Let me state a couple of things clearly. I don't want to get rid of Tinker and I don't want to put her to sleep. She is not caged all day, she has run of the house for a couple of hours every day and she goes outside for a couple of hours too. She is allowed to play with all the other dogs except the babies, the males and now my little Autumn. She plays with and loves on all the humans in the house. She loves to sit on your lap and be petted. She is in heat and she is in a new home. I know how I would feel in her situation and I tend to humanize her feelings, if I'm wrong, well then I err on the side of good. Sylvia

[Lady of Yorkies]

Originally Posted by ytsirk27

I guess im just not understanding....shes 22 months old and she attacked some puppies....and your going to breed her when you have seen her reaction to other puppies???that makes no sense and just sounds like money money money to me. I would personally not breed her but im not a breeder either i guess. If she is so wonderful in the house except for the puppy thing why not resell her instead of putting her down...that makes NO sence whats so ever!!!

Forget putting her down, ok? When it comes to breeding her, it's a situation where if she has puppies she might turn around and be a fully functioning dog like she should be. There is only one way to find out. If she hurts puppies and she is around babies she could transfer her feelings to a baby. I need to know this before I place her anywhere else. I have heard stories like this. I lack lots of information about her that I was told "I don't know" or "I'll try to get that information for you." I liked the dog well enough to go ahead and get her. I, myself will not place a dog without completely telling the prospective buyers as much about the dog as I know. With the information I have how could I pass this dog on to someone else? Perhaps the last owner knew how she was with puppies and just chose not to tell me because then maybe I wouldn't have bought her. I believe there is a home for problem dogs, it just takes some time to find the right situation. If I tell someone that this dog shouldn't be around puppies but otherwise she is a very loving dog they can choose if they want her or not. It doesn't hurt me to keep her and look for a better home for her if they choose not to take her. If I don't disclose all I know about her, she could be abused and become mean. That would be my fault and I would have to face God over it. I would rather do that with a clear consience. Sylvia

[ytsirk27]

Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies

Forget putting her down, ok? When it comes to breeding her, it's a situation where if she has puppies she might turn around and be a fully functioning dog like she should be. There is only one way to find out. If she hurts puppies and she is around babies she could transfer her feelings to a baby. I need to know this before I place her anywhere else. I have heard stories like this. I lack lots of information about her that I was told "I don't know" or "I'll try to get that information for you." I liked the dog well enough to go ahead and get her. I, myself will not place a dog without completely telling the prospective buyers as much about the dog as I know. With the information I have how could I pass this dog on to someone else? Perhaps the last owner knew how she was with puppies and just chose not to tell me because then maybe I wouldn't have bought her. I believe there is a home for problem dogs, it just takes some time to find the right situation. If I tell someone that this dog shouldn't be around puppies but otherwise she is a very loving dog they can choose if they want her or not. It doesn't hurt me to keep her and look for a better home for her if they choose not to take her. If I don't disclose all I know about her, she could be abused and become mean. That would be my fault and I would have to face God over it. I would rather do that with a clear consience. Sylvia

I understand what your saying...i really do i I know I came off as hard but I guess I just would not breed her in the off chance shell kill her babies..I see that as experimenting and hoping everything will work out...its not the puppies fault but they may take chance at being hurt or killed Is that fair? NO. Maybe you should just tell the prospective buyer what happened to your puppies and that maybe she shouldnt be bred and whatnot. SHould find her a home with no babies or kids since you dont know! Thats is probably why she was sold in the first place and has never been bred....Did you not think about that... Kinda odd isnt it????

[livingdustmops]

Sylvia - I am very involved with Yorkie Rescue and deal with these kind of situation a great deal. Most of these little ones that come through rescue have been moved from home to home but given time and trust they usually work out. Not all Yorkies are meant to be used as breeding dogs so if you are considering selling her then sell her to a pet home only after you have spayed her. Not everyone wants to deal with puppies. I will tell you that the longer you keep her the more confused she will get if you sell her down the road. There really is no need to even consider putting her down at this stage of the game as I am sure rescue would step in and place her in a home without other dogs or puppies and spay her. The only time Rescue will consider putting a dog down is if they are human biters and in my situation I have adopted 4 of the biters that were turned over to rescue. Also, don't get all caught up in the Alpha situation unless you have read a great deal about it, more harm can be done. The most important thing is to give her a calm environment for the time being and stop thinking in terms of human emotions when it comes to what she does. Also, if you read any reputable Yorkie website it will tell you Yorkies should not go into a home with someone under 12 years of age. Now we all know there are exceptions to the rule but generally speaking Yorkies don't like little kids because of the noise level and the action. It would also not be good to place her in a home with another large dog because she could feel the need to defend herself and provocate an attack. She is confused, scared and not sure what her boundries are and only time and love will correct some of her issues. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.

[Susanbee51]

Excellent post Cindy. My feelings exactly. If I were in that situation, I would have her spayed and placed into a loving home. Therefore, eliminating any worry of what she might do if she had babies. I believe that would be in the best interest of this little girl.

[YorkieRose]

The way a bitch acts with others pups has absolutely no bearing how she will react to her pups...Charlotte, Kate's mom hated puppies near her, but became a wonderful mother herself. Same with my Ivy..what a bitch she was when a pup would pull on her hair..but when she had her first litter, she turned into "Mother of the Year"..and both her and Char adored all pups after that time...

Sometimes people expect all their dogs to live like one big happy family..well, dogs have their own rules and I never put a strange bitch with pups of another..or even allow her in the same room unless they are penned. Slowly, allow her to adjust...and I must of misunderstood...who mentioned putting her down...what jackXXX suggested that? SORRY...but that is insane!
I would never destroy a dog for biting/attacking another dog in a kennel situation..we do not udnerstand the rules in the dog world...if a dog is dangerous to humans, that is another story, but dogs fight for perfectly normal "dog" reasons...they just need to be kept away from the offenders.

Charlotte and Ruby are two of the most wonderful Yorkie girls in this world..but never let them see one another...they hate to the bone..but love everyone and everything else in the world..so they live in different places.

[sashajade]

first of all a yorkie is a terrier who was bred to kill rats so this dog could be attacking the pups as to her they are small furies, she hasnt been around pups so she doesnt know what they are. a dog should never be pts just cos of something like this. i expect she would be fine with her own pups and then with other dogs pups but sounds like you have enough pups at the moment and maybe it would be best for her to find a nice pet home.

[Lady of Yorkies]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Sylvia - I am very involved with Yorkie Rescue and deal with these kind of situation a great deal. Most of these little ones that come through rescue have been moved from home to home but given time and trust they usually work out. Not all Yorkies are meant to be used as breeding dogs so if you are considering selling her then sell her to a pet home only after you have spayed her. Not everyone wants to deal with puppies. I will tell you that the longer you keep her the more confused she will get if you sell her down the road. There really is no need to even consider putting her down at this stage of the game as I am sure rescue would step in and place her in a home without other dogs or puppies and spay her. The only time Rescue will consider putting a dog down is if they are human biters and in my situation I have adopted 4 of the biters that were turned over to rescue. Also, don't get all caught up in the Alpha situation unless you have read a great deal about it, more harm can be done. The most important thing is to give her a calm environment for the time being and stop thinking in terms of human emotions when it comes to what she does. Also, if you read any reputable Yorkie website it will tell you Yorkies should not go into a home with someone under 12 years of age. Now we all know there are exceptions to the rule but generally speaking Yorkies don't like little kids because of the noise level and the action. It would also not be good to place her in a home with another large dog because she could feel the need to defend herself and provocate an attack. She is confused, scared and not sure what her boundries are and only time and love will correct some of her issues. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.

I know that a lot of people will think I'm wrong but I want to keep her and I have decided to breed her. I can't take the chance that she will find a way to hurt Laci's babies. I think if she is busy with her own babies they will be her whole world. I will continue to keep her separate for all the babies safety and I will be right there when she whelps to protect them if they need it.

I do think like you said that she has a lot of confusion and is scared. I lock the puppies up and let her run the house. I sit next to the xpen where the babies are and if she tries to get close to the pen, I growl. She backs off immediately. I was told that this teaches her that I am the alpha and the babies are mine. She will come and get in my lap but as long as she stays away from the pen I am silent. I don't think the challenges are over but I think she knows I'm the one she has to deal with.

My future dil has a chow/lab mix and Tinker gets along with all the other dogs and humans in the house. I don't know if it is the noise the babies make or if she thinks that if she can't have any none should exist. She is a wonderful dog, I just can't see letting her go at this point. Sylvia

[Lady of Yorkies]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

The way a bitch acts with others pups has absolutely no bearing how she will react to her pups...Charlotte, Kate's mom hated puppies near her, but became a wonderful mother herself. Same with my Ivy..what a bitch she was when a pup would pull on her hair..but when she had her first litter, she turned into "Mother of the Year"..and both her and Char adored all pups after that time...

Sometimes people expect all their dogs to live like one big happy family..well, dogs have their own rules and I never put a strange bitch with pups of another..or even allow her in the same room unless they are penned. Slowly, allow her to adjust...and I must of misunderstood...who mentioned putting her down...what jackXXX suggested that? SORRY...but that is insane!
I would never destroy a dog for biting/attacking another dog in a kennel situation..we do not udnerstand the rules in the dog world...if a dog is dangerous to humans, that is another story, but dogs fight for perfectly normal "dog" reasons...they just need to be kept away from the offenders.

Charlotte and Ruby are two of the most wonderful Yorkie girls in this world..but never let them see one another...they hate to the bone..but love everyone and everything else in the world..so they live in different places.

ROTFLMBO - I am the jackxxx who brought up the subject of putting her to sleep. I wanted everyone to know I have considered all avenues in my experience and that I am looking for other options. I was afraid that someone else might suggest it. I guess I should have known that no one wants to give up on a good dog.

So you had 2 females that did a complete turnaround? This is what I am praying for with Tinker. Only time will tell but she's such a sweet dog that I am hoping for the best. She will get up in your face and just kiss you to death. She will lay in your lap quietly and let you pet her for hours. I really pray that things will work out for her here. Sylvia