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06-07-2006, 03:15 PM | #76 |
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| think i need to clear something up here, i love all yorkies tiny 1 pounders right up to big 20 pounders ive had one 20 pound and one 5 pound and loved them just the same. i have nothing against small yorkies or people who have them and when i get another yorkie when i move i have no idea what size it will be 2 pounds or 20 pounds i dont mind just aslong as its healthy, but if i did want a yorkie that was breed standard and paid for one then yes i would want some money back if it wasnt. pedigree is a lot more important here if it has champs you pay more. i think the little ones are cuter than most of the big ones but i dont think its fair when people say its not a yorkie cos its big or its a cross, i will do a post and i bet most people havent got a breed standard yorkie. i only have a problem with breed standard as its unfair and out of date, they dropped the larger size due to fashion at the time so as fashion changes so should the breed standard back to how it was, yorkies were breed down for fashion and how they looked not at one point did there health come in to play and what would be best for the breed, breed standard should be about how the dog should look to look its best but it should also be about its health too,thats my problem with it. i hope i have cleared it up now and im sorry if anyone thought i was angry im not see
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06-07-2006, 03:34 PM | #77 | |
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06-07-2006, 06:38 PM | #80 |
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06-07-2006, 07:34 PM | #81 |
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| A good breeder knows their line.........yes, to a point. There is always the possibility that one pup from any given litter could continue to grow. This is not something that breeders can predict. And just the opposite is true, a pup may stop growing at an early age and stay very small, all within the same litter. That doesn't make them any less of a yorkie, nor does it make the breeder out to be one who misrepresents. Just as with children, you DO NOT KNOW how big they are going to be as adults when they are young, even if you look at the grandparents. What is bothering me the most with some on this thread is the suggestion that a breeder needs to be psychic in predicting their yorkie pups adult size. I do a best guess estimate and make sure the buyer knows it's just that, a guess based on past litters. That doesn't mean I am going to be correct all the time. Our Reggie was 8.5 pounds, she came from 4 and 4.5 parents, and the same small size for grandparents. Her sisters grew to 4 and 5 pounds and her brother to 2.5 pounds. Based on all that information according to some here, there is no way Reggie could have grown that big or be from the same litter. I know for a fact exactly where she came from. I've been following another thread for some time. Perhaps some of you might want to take a look at the over-sized teapots that without a doubt are pure yorkies. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34802
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06-08-2006, 12:13 AM | #82 |
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| First of all I think your guy is a doll! I do think you and the breeder need to come to a resolution. Anyoone I sell a puppy to I guarantee it to an extent, I have only taken back one puppy though and that was because the new owners were in their 60's and had never owned a dog in their lives. They did not realize how much work a puppy was and I ask that I be notified if they decide to rehome them. I even went so far as to take the dog back to get her crate trained for night ( she was still in the whining puppy stage and the lady could not sleep) ANYWAY, I usually keep my puppies until I am pretty confident in what they are going to be like If you see enough of them you have a pretty general idea on whether they are following even a smidge close to the standard. If I have any that seem like they are verring off they are sold with a spay neuter contract or limited registration at a very reduced price or I contact the many hundreds of people who contact me "wanting a yorkie all their life but not able to pay the big big bucks" and give them a dog. I have not had many that have been large but I did do a breeding some years back to an outside male and he threw a puppy that had a roached back.I also had a puppy with a very long muzzle . They are both beautiful dogs and very very much loved by their owners but they also knew in advance in fact they both are pleasantly surprised and say they got just what they expected. I could pick apart nearly every yorkie I see and find many things that do not fall within the breed standard, drop muzzle, roached back,oversize,wide set eyes, drop ears, tail too low, tail too high,wavy coat, curly coat and so on. Fact of the matter is, when I chose to breed my girls I made it a point to be very choosy on whom I chose. I especially did not choose any that had the same faults that in my eyes my females had . To the eye they look perfect but they had structural things that could have aggravated had I bred them to a dog that had the same things. I have been very lucky and I do mean lucky since sometimes what you see is not what you get. I studied very closely genetics and recessive/dominant factors. I do not have perfect yorkies, I dont have perfect puppies and I am sure there are a few out there that got larger, stayed smaller, or had other faults that you cannot foresee. What I am trying to say is, just because you put 2 dogs together that are pure bred , oyu can still get one that is not exactly like either parent. BUT, when there is a known fault in either one I do think they should not be sold as one who follows the standard, I feel they should be sold to pet homes. I so much wish it were as esy as taking 2 dogs and meeting up as this would have saved me years of research and an endless search. Surely you and the breeder come to an understanding . I am sure it was not purposeful. Can I ask how the others in the litter turned out? If we are talking about breed standard I can see things that are just as much a derailment from the breed standard as the height issue but people dont seem to look at that when they see you ont he street, fiddle front runs int he line somewhere, curly wavy hair, as well as color. It drives me crazy when someone wants to tell YOU what YOU have. I have owned 3 generation litters and still have one occasionally that threw me off. IT is no different than my 7 year old who has blonde hair,blue eyes, My husband has black hair dark brown eyes I have dark auburn hair and dark bronw eyes. It still has the neighbors speculating. I am glad you did ask someone as if you would have bred him and sold them you may have been going through the same problems when your buyers. The best thing I did before I bought or bred was HOMEWORK. Bon |
06-08-2006, 05:31 AM | #83 | |
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06-09-2006, 08:22 AM | #84 | |
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This is EXACTLY how I feel. I didnt come on here to discuss my love for Ralphie because that is not what is in question... but I would love a pound puppy just as much.. I dont love him based on his looks. My point was that he was very expensive and grew up to be something different than he was suposed to be. I dont think any of you, would be happy about that happening to you or that you wouldnt care because you love your dogs, You woud still love them and be upset or feel an injustice.
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06-09-2006, 08:55 AM | #85 | |
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Also just to clarify a few questions i see over and over on here: - We never discussed my breeding ralphie before I got him. I again just (ASSumed that he would be a standard yorkie, look like his mom and like all the dogs i see on this website. and would not be a problem. - I never saw any pictures of his grandfather until Tuesday. That picture is what worries me b/c that is where his traits came from. I now know that but never knew that beforehand. - The size was discussed via email between myself and the breeder and she said he would not exceed 5lbs. - I am not just upset because Ralphie is so big. I am also upset that he doesnt look much like a yorkie in terms of his fur and white spots.His hair will not grow out and is not straight. so the main 2 visual traits of yorkies is not existent in him. His 2 brothers however, DO look like yorkies. - I believe my breeder (in an earlier post)said she thought it would be "ridiculous " to refund my money so small claims court would be our only option. - I dont feel that this was a purposeful manipulation, just irresponsible breeding, and failure to take responsibilty for the end result ** And Again, please understand that this is not about not liking all yorkies or big yorkies or anything like that. This is only about the fact that I did not get what I paid for , or what i thought i was buying" Your comments and participation in this has been very educational though, and i thank you for that.
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