Different Sized Yorkies

[JiggityJig]

Originally Posted by ralphie's mom

Well, i feel like most people who buy yorkies, are doing so because they are so small. Lots of breeds around the 10-12lb size are cute (and much cheaper).

ExACTly. The $$$ factor is why I feel sorry for yorkie buyers who end up with a larger-than-expected dog. NOT because your pet is inferior or less love-worthy....but because basically, you've been ripped off.

Obviously genetics are tricky things, and funky traits can pop up in ANY line--- but deliberately breeding from a line that you KNOW is way off standard, and selling them to people EXPECTING standard yorkies...that's irresponsible. And done all the time, unfortunately.

I know in your heart it must be hard to balance that feeling that, while you wouldn't take all the money in the world for him, he is NOT what you thought you were paying for. I guess if I were you, I'd just let go of the dream of breeding him, and continue to enjoy him as the wonderful and adorable pet that he is.

[I love Lucy]

Originally Posted by RLC12345678

Whether you should refund any or all of the money or not really depends on what the buyer was expecting. Did you advertise that the puppy would stay small? The buyer has a picture of the grandsire that she posted. Did the buyer see the parents and the grandsire before she bought the puppy? Unless you told her or guaranteed her that the puppy would stay small, then there is no reason, legally, that you should refund the money. I do see both sides of the issue, though. I definately think that all three dogs -- mother, father, grandsire -- are 100% yorkie, even though they don't all meet the standard.

Good luck getting the issue resolved!

I think I would not breed this larger guy again unless you want to keep the pups for yourself or if your fam/friends want a pup...having been well aware that this guy produces or can produce a larger Yorkie. As for refunding money....I don't think so, unless the owners were totally not aware of what the parents looked like and were told they would be a certain size.( although size can never be fully guaranteed ). Also if you sold them for a lot of money too..if they were a reduced price etc..it may be different...I just wouldn't sell these larger ones on purpose again-which you didn't really mean to anyways. I think they are full yorkies though and very cute and many families like larger ones but they should be aware they are possibly getting a bigger one. My Lucy is bigger than the 4lbs that was told to me..she is twice that but I am fine with it, she is still small. She is a great size to me but if I was set on a really small one and were told this without all the other info, I would be bummed. I wouldn't really expect a refund but I wouldn't use/recommend the breeder again if she gave me false info. This seems like an isolated case so I would just get a smaller different stud for your breeding program.

[ilovemyabbie]

That is sorta out of the picture - he is fixed now, the grandsire that is. I only bred him so I could get a baby. I don't do this for a living or anything.

[ilovemyabbie]

Originally Posted by I love Lucy

I think I would not breed this larger guy again unless you want to keep the pups for yourself or if your fam/friends want a pup...having been well aware that this guy produces or can produce a larger Yorkie. As for refunding money....I don't think so, unless the owners were totally not aware of what the parents looked like and were told they would be a certain size.( although size can never be fully guaranteed ). Also if you sold them for a lot of money too..if they were a reduced price etc..it may be different...I just wouldn't sell these larger ones on purpose again-which you didn't really mean to anyways. I think they are full yorkies though and very cute and many families like larger ones but they should be aware they are possibly getting a bigger one. My Lucy is bigger than the 4lbs that was told to me..she is twice that but I am fine with it, she is still small. She is a great size to me but if I was set on a really small one and were told this without all the other info, I would be bummed. I wouldn't really expect a refund but I wouldn't use/recommend the breeder again if she gave me false info. This seems like an isolated case so I would just get a smaller different stud for your breeding program.

i am the breeder, and no i didn't give false info - just for the record

[JiggityJig]

Originally Posted by ilovemyabbie

That is sorta out of the picture - he is fixed now, the grandsire that is. I only bred him so I could get a baby.

But you're still breeding his son, right? So the genes are still right there. Isn't that Raphie's dad? (just trying to follow this!)

[ralphie's mom]

Originally Posted by RLC12345678

Whether you should refund any or all of the money or not really depends on what the buyer was expecting. Did you advertise that the puppy would stay small? The buyer has a picture of the grandsire that she posted. Did the buyer see the parents and the grandsire before she bought the puppy? Unless you told her or guaranteed her that the puppy would stay small, then there is no reason, legally, that you should refund the money. I do see both sides of the issue, though. I definately think that all three dogs -- mother, father, grandsire -- are 100% yorkie, even though they don't all meet the standard.

Good luck getting the issue resolved!

To answer your question, I was told over email "THERE ARE THREE THE ONE WITH THE WHITE SPOT ON HIS BACK IS ALREADY TAKEN. THE TWO FOR SALE WEIGHED 2 OZ AT BIRTH. THEY WILL PROBABLY GET NO BIGGER THAN 4 LBS. THEIR MAMA IS 5 LBS. THEIR DADDY IS 4 LBS. BOTH ADORABLE GREAT FIGURES AND COLOR. I WILL ALSO ATTACH A PIC OF THE MOMMY.. OK "

I also never saw a picture of the grandfather until today when this all started being discussed, or I would have been weary, and probably would have backed out.

So yes i was expecting a much smaller dog. It is my opinion that a breeding standard exist for a reason, same as papers etc which is to identify a breed. Dogs who are not within that standard to me are not really in that breed. When reading the standards online, i dont feel that Ralphie has really met any of those, except coloring. I just dont think there is any point in getting a yorkie that doesnt look like a yorkie. I will not be breeding him anymore, after hearing what everone says and knowing that his puppies could turn out like him which is not what a yorkie buyer is seeking. and yes i also agree with everyone that he is SO CUTE. ha i just love him, but i am truly disappointed in how big he is getting.

I will say that I did a great deal of reading before I got Ralphie and i was terrified of getting an unhealthy yorkie. I know that is a reoccuring problem and ralphie has been the picture of health since day one, and for that I am grateful.

[ilovemyabbie]

Originally Posted by ralphie's mom

To answer your question, I was told over email "THERE ARE THREE THE ONE WITH THE WHITE SPOT ON HIS BACK IS ALREADY TAKEN. THE TWO FOR SALE WEIGHED 2 OZ AT BIRTH. THEY WILL PROBABLY GET NO BIGGER THAN 4 LBS. THEIR MAMA IS 5 LBS. THEIR DADDY IS 4 LBS. BOTH ADORABLE GREAT FIGURES AND COLOR. I WILL ALSO ATTACH A PIC OF THE MOMMY.. OK "

I also never saw a picture of the grandfather until today when this all started being discussed, or I would have been weary, and probably would have backed out.

So yes i was expecting a much smaller dog. It is my opinion that a breeding standard exist for a reason, same as papers etc which is to identify a breed. Dogs who are not within that standard to me are not really in that breed. When reading the standards online, i dont feel that Ralphie has really met any of those, except coloring. I just dont think there is any point in getting a yorkie that doesnt look like a yorkie. I will not be breeding him anymore, after hearing what everone says and knowing that his puppies could turn out like him which is not what a yorkie buyer is seeking. and yes i also agree with everyone that he is SO CUTE. ha i just love him, but i am truly disappointed in how big he is getting.

I will say that I did a great deal of reading before I got Ralphie and i was terrified of getting an unhealthy yorkie. I know that is a reoccuring problem and ralphie has been the picture of health since day one, and for that I am grateful.

I didn't mean to not tell you about the grandsire, I sent the pics with the other emails to the other pot. buyers.

I am truely sorry - It was an overlook. I dont' do this for a living so I am not a "breeder" so to speak ya know with oodles and oodles of Dogs - I just bred abbie for a friend who lost hers by a bigger dog eating it. I did it out of the goodness of my heart, and sold Ralphie. I again am truely sorry -

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by ilovemyabbie

so your saying that just because the pup isn't what the buyer wanted I should give back the money- are you serious. that was 6 months or so ago. And really like you jsut said I can't tell if the pup is going to be 3 or 13 lbs.

a dog to a dog lover is like there children. That is like adopting a child and saying well i wanted a smaller built child so ..... I am gonna give you back or they should give me my money back for taking you-

I dont' think this owner is concerned about the money - so this isn't directed to her- but that would be crazy to do. Cause you have no way of knowing. That is the draw back to breeding... people know that

I do understand that no one can tell you what size they are going to be but if the buyer was told that this dog would be small and suitable for breeding, then yes, you should give her money back because he is not suitable at all for breeding. Maybe nothing was said to this buyer about the dog being small or suitable to breed, I really don't know and i don't mean to offend you at all. I'm sorry if you were offended. I just kep reading about breeding this dog in this thread and he clearly is not suitable for breeding. At least to someone that wants to try to breed to the standard.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Skittles_Momma

Sugar's Mom, I agree, not all yorkies are cute, just like babies! I agree that her big yorkie should not have been bred. Tho I am not a breeder, I think those that do chose to produce yorkies should follow the standard, that is the least they can do. I also agree on refunding her some/all of her money.

Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say. I am not always tactful. I think she should at least pay to have this dog neutered. I figured I would be cruicified for saying not all yorkies are beautiful.

[Peters]

my yorkie is about 7 lbs she's still the cutest to me! but why does this puppy have a white chest? it looks like his front is white? i have seen yorkies tiny and bigger they are all really cute . but i don't think i would breed him either.he wasn't bought just to breed though was he?

[I love Lucy]

Originally Posted by ilovemyabbie

i am the breeder, and no i didn't give false info - just for the record

Hi,
Oh I didn't mean to offend you or anything or assume you gave false info..I was just saying if a breeder did do this. Also like you said you you were breeding this guy with good intentions. Did your buyer ask if he would be good for breeding material stock, just out of curiousity? Did they want to breed so they can get a puppy out of this or to start a breeding program? Because I think you need to start off with good stock, AKC registered, lineage back 3 gen and champions and to the standard as much as possible if there aren't any ch. I do understand if this was told that the dog is pet quality..and sold as at a reduced rate...or to know they are not breeding quality...

[YORKIE7]

Originally Posted by ralphie's mom

To answer your question, I was told over email "THERE ARE THREE THE ONE WITH THE WHITE SPOT ON HIS BACK IS ALREADY TAKEN. THE TWO FOR SALE WEIGHED 2 OZ AT BIRTH. THEY WILL PROBABLY GET NO BIGGER THAN 4 LBS. THEIR MAMA IS 5 LBS. THEIR DADDY IS 4 LBS. BOTH ADORABLE GREAT FIGURES AND COLOR. I WILL ALSO ATTACH A PIC OF THE MOMMY.. OK "

I also never saw a picture of the grandfather until today when this all started being discussed, or I would have been weary, and probably would have backed out.

So yes i was expecting a much smaller dog. It is my opinion that a breeding standard exist for a reason, same as papers etc which is to identify a breed. Dogs who are not within that standard to me are not really in that breed. When reading the standards online, i dont feel that Ralphie has really met any of those, except coloring. I just dont think there is any point in getting a yorkie that doesnt look like a yorkie. I will not be breeding him anymore, after hearing what everone says and knowing that his puppies could turn out like him which is not what a yorkie buyer is seeking. and yes i also agree with everyone that he is SO CUTE. ha i just love him, but i am truly disappointed in how big he is getting.

I will say that I did a great deal of reading before I got Ralphie and i was terrified of getting an unhealthy yorkie. I know that is a reoccuring problem and ralphie has been the picture of health since day one, and for that I am grateful.

I am sorry to hear that you are disappointed with Ralphie being large, but you said ''I did a great deal of reading before I got Ralphie', did you not research the breeder before purchasing Ralphie? It seems like it is a hard lesson to learn but you know what to look out for next time you buy a puppy. I think also that the larger yorkie shouldn't have been bred, however at the end of the day, you have a beautiful boy, that is healthy, and that is the most important thing (imo)

[dezertblu]

I have posted twice on this forum about Yorkie sizes,maybe this will put it all into perspective. The original genes in the beginning of the Yorkie breed were of medium to larger sized dogs....very hearty and robust.The small little creatures we know today as our babies, is due to fashion, it became fashionable for the yorkie to be carried about and seen, so they were bred down to be smaller, as they no longer were only used as rat killers and such.If you look outside of the "showey" circle of yorkies you will find 3 basic sizes of yorkie, they may not conform to mans standard of what a yorkie "should be", but it does not mean they aren't 100% yorkie.There are small , medium, and larger sized yorkies, the breeding programs want to keep them to the standard they set out on paper, hence the size must conform.....all it means if your yorkie is larger is that it may have throw back genes to the larger to medium gene pool from way back when.I live in the North of England, where the Yorkie breed originated....and you will see them toddling about our sidewalks in all sizes, no the medium to larger ones wont pass for show standard, and probably shouldn't be bred for high money, but there are pet quality yorkies and show quality.My Moe is definately a medium to small, not tea cup or little.....and he is 100% yorkie.The original Yorkies topped 30 to 50 pounds in weight, and stood to a mans knees, it serves to reason, you will find bigger yorkies outside of a stringent breeding program, due to the original ancestry.

[r1138]

I am new to this-actually new to a computor!please excuse. I have two l3 wk old brothers (same litter). got at 9 wks. Paddy is problably over 6lbs now, & seamus is 3.8lbs. They do everything different- from eating to peeing but had the same mom & dad - yes, I met them.5 & 6lbs. Not new to Yorkieville - my 15yr old 4lb. Chelsey passed away several months ago. She was sold as "pet only", etc. etc. and she ended up picture perfect -- also litterbox trained within first wk, and so on - so......you just don't know. But I love these boys so much already. and am greiving cause I have to send the big fella to live with my daughter.

[YorkieRose]

This is what I have done for many years...if you are not happy with my pup and if at maturity it is NOT what I said it would be..you may keep the dog and I will refund your money...the reason I have not had to refund money is I do not place a pup the buyer does not want..size, color, coat etc...too much stress for me to deal with unhappy pet owners..so don't screw up, Pat LOL

Looking at the grandsire, the breeder had to know there were oversized, mixed trait dogs in the line...many traits like size can skip a generation. The grandsire will continue to pass his strong size genes..so next time this breeder will know ahead of time and not make the same mistake again...double the 12 week weight, works for most lines I know..but spayed/neutered pets tend to add weight to their frame..best wishes

PS...you do not predict puppy weight from birth weight..I have had huge 6 oz pups sectioned out of mom and grew up tp be 3 pounds..my KC was a perfect example...a 2 oz can be 7 poudns..the breeder was in too much of a hurry to get these pups sold before knowing what they had...