Different Sized Yorkies

[sashajade]

yorkies have been breed down in size for fashion not health or for a better breed, breed standard does not mean the yorkie will be good enough for show. look at all the breeds of dogs that now have breathing problems due to having such flat faces cos thats breed standard all you have to do is look on here at all the sick yorkies with so many more problems, the breed never had so many problems and maybe the size of the breed has something to do with it ie breeding the so called runts together to get smaller pups, these were called runts has they hadnt done very well in the mum then not been as healthy as the other pups ie with feeding and putting on weight normaly, if someone came on here saying they were gonna breed there sick yorkie everyone would go mad at them.

[sashajade]

also breed standard says the yorkie should have a certain type of coat colour and shape so i bet most peoples yorkies on here would not pass the breed standard to a judges eye. imo there should be 2 sizes for the breed standard 4 pound up to 10 pound and then 11 up to 17 pound and that would be the breed standard that would be for the betterment of the breed.

[JiggityJig]

you say for the betterment of the breed? the larger yorkies are healthier than the small yorkies so if it was about whats best for the breed then the breed standard should not include yorkies under 4 pound.

And it DOESN'T.

also the breed standard like i said did include the larger yorkies but was dropped not cos they were seen as not a good yorkie and shouldnt be breed with but cos not enough people with that size yorkie wanted to show them

It doesn't matter if you're talking yorkies or persian cats or clydesdale horses, or hairless guinea pigs....at some point "desired traits" were set, and were bred for, for WHATEVER reasons, until a breed standard was established. That's what makes the breed the BREED.

I know that it is difficult, since everyone loves their pet and is PROUD of them, but we all have to realize the fact that saying that your yorkie isn't a good example of the BREED (b/c it's too big, or what have you) is not the same as saying that your dog is an inferior PET.

A non-standard dog definitely doesn't deserve to get that "snob snub" from the stranger in the park or Petco, and let's face it, people who do that just must be jerks in ALL facets of their lives. However, that doesn't mean that they should be continued to be willfully bred, producing ever greater and greater dilution of the (registered) breed.

[sashajade]

all the sites ive seen says there is no lower weight limit but small ones should not be breed with. also yes there should be a breed standard but it should be whats best health wise for the dog and looks were at the moment its just on looks and who cares about the health of the dog thats my point. ive had breed standard and ive had large yorkies so i do know about both, my scampi in his younger days was about 7 pound perfect coat and had 5 or 6 cruff champs in his pedigre but why should he be allowed in the show ring but a dog who is perfect in everyway apart from there 3 pound heavyer isnt allowed. poodles have 2 sizes as do other breeds, breed standard changed due to fashion and should now be changed again.

[Kizzys Mom]

This is my sister in laws yorkie, the bigger blonde one and Kizzy when I first got her. well my sister in laws is 10 years old and weighs 8'2lbs and she is what made me so determined to get a yorkie. she looked just like Kizzy when she was Kizzys age. talk about changing. But I did hope Kizzy would get no more than 5 lbs but I think the other yorkie is beautiful and if kizzy turns out to be 8 lbs and looks near this pretty, I just wont care at all. Some of the bigger ones are so beautiful to me.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by ralphie's mom

No, My line of thinking was to avoid the puppies that are mass produced and more or less bred for income, because I was scared it wouldnt be as healthy, and to look to someone local with just one litter. If i had know that so much variation existed, I would have done more research, and i should have. But I have always had dachsunds my whole life and no matter where I got them from, they were always long and looked like a weiner dog... so I just assumed this would be the same way.Now I know better.

However I do feel like i deserve atleast a partial refund. This is how I explained to a friend:

say for your whole life you always wanted a mustang then finally in 2006 you have the money and you have been looking at pictures of them everywhere , so you order you one and they ship it to you, well when you get it, it doesn’t look like a 2006 mustang, it s doesn’t really look like a mustang at all. so you call them up and what they tell you is " Naw baby . its still got the mustang leather, the mustang engine and the mustang emblem. it’s a mustang! you don’t want your car to look like every other car you see out on the road. that one's SPECIAL" you would still be upset because it doesn’t look like what you wanted. it doesn’t look like any mustang you see on TV, the internet , the interstate , and the whole reason you wanted a mustang and saved up your money is because you liked the way they LOOK.

that is how I feel, except you can sell a car and I can not sell ralphie, i love him too much. and yes he is wonderful and cute but my point is he was expensive and not as advertised. And now i have lost the option to breed him as he has these undesirable traits...

There is always the option of small claims court but I feel if she were an ethical breeder, she would refund your money willingly and if she doesn't have it right now, she out to sign some sort of paper promising to pay you and let you keep Ralphie.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by sashajade

all the sites ive seen says there is no lower weight limit but small ones should not be breed with. also yes there should be a breed standard but it should be whats best health wise for the dog and looks were at the moment its just on looks and who cares about the health of the dog thats my point. ive had breed standard and ive had large yorkies so i do know about both, my scampi in his younger days was about 7 pound perfect coat and had 5 or 6 cruff champs in his pedigre but why should he be allowed in the show ring but a dog who is perfect in everyway apart from there 3 pound heavyer isnt allowed. poodles have 2 sizes as do other breeds, breed standard changed due to fashion and should now be changed again.

I don't mean to offend you but yourposts have taken this thread totally off topic. It is not about breed standard. It is about someone being told they were getting one kind dog and ended up with another that looks almost like a mix.

[RLC12345678]

Originally Posted by sashajade

you say for the betterment of the breed? the larger yorkies are healthier than the small yorkies so if it was about whats best for the breed then the breed standard should not include yorkies under 4 pound.

FYI -- I have a yorkie that is 3 lbs. who is perfectly healthy. I know many many others on here do, too. My parents also have a yorkie who is 12 lbs who is not perfectly healthy. So, I don't think we can make a generalization based on weight.

I agree that this thread has gotten WAY off topic. Maybe we should hear from the originator of the thread to see if her issues have been resolved. If they have, then we can all quit arguing and just agree to disagree.

[YorkieRose]

Sashajade...Yes, I agree, the Yorkie was much larger until around 1930, we are 76 yrs away from those times and the standard has been revised AND BY the same people who developed the breed in the first place.

What is important is the standard....a breeder either adheres to or gives every effort to adhere to the standard or stops calling their dogs Yorkies.
If they change the standard to include larger Yorkies, then I have the option to breed larger..at this point I do not have this option IF I want to be a reputable, honest breeder.

Yorkies are companion dogs, spending 24 hrs with their owners..many people want one they can travel with, handle with little effort. Not all are able to groom a 15 pounder...infact as I started downsizing my grooming business..(I had to because of arthitis in my fingers) I stopped grooming anything over 10 pounds...and it is not easy to carry a 10 pounder when traveling.

If we do not like the rules, change them, but we can not toss them out because we do not like or agree with them....the workers in the mills and mines in Manchester, Leeds.etc needed a large Yorkie to kill vermin...I have never in all my years had a potential pet buyer want a Yorkie for rat control..
BUT if the day comes we are run over by rats and mice again, perhaps they will see a need to revise the standard.

What this post boils down to is this...the breeder said the pup would be what it is not..the buyer paid for one thing and got another...if I ask the baker for an elcair and I get home finding an APPLE in the bag..I am not going to accept the bakers explaination that the apple is better for me then the elcair..I want what I asked and paid for..once again, common sense dog breeding 101.

[MyTrixie143]

Off topic poodles come in 3 different sizes, standard, minature, toy.

Originally Posted by sashajade

poodles have 2 sizes as do other breeds,

I don't know the terms of the sale that went on but here is my two cents. If the buyer was looking for a standard yorkie with plans on breeding him and they told the seller this and the seller told them that he would be standard size and great for breeding,
then if the dog does not turn out to be what they agreed on, standard size, then they should be refunded atleast a partial amount because they can't breed him like they had planned.

Now, if the buyer never mentioned wanting to breed him or did not have the intent of breeding him then the seller has every right not to refund them, the dog would have been sold as pet quality which is what you got rather than breeding quality

Not trying to offend anyone
but
If I looked at this dog and the parents and had plans on breeding him I would not have bought him for this purpose because looking at the pictures the parents even grandfarher are not standard to the breed. If I remember He is of pet quality as is his parents and I do believe even the person who breed them said that they were pet quality not breeding or show quality. Whether the seller told the buyer that, I do not know. I do know that if the pup was bought as pet quality that you got exactly what you paid for a nice pet yorkie.

This all is one big miscommunication between the buyer and the seller. The seller should be clear to the buyer what to expect from this puppy and what quality it should be. As well as the buyer should be clear to the seller exactly what they were looking for in the pup, size, color, whatever it may be and the motives the buyer has for the pup, show, pet, or breeding.

In my opinion, it sounds like both sides need to be better in communicating in what they want and what to expect. So it sounds like both of you are at fault for the way things turned out. One may be at more fault than the other but nonetheless it is what it is.

[YorkieRose]

If this buyer came me and said they wanted a 4 to 5 pounder..I would ask how important is size? If the dog goes 2 pounds over, will you still be happy?...just about 100% say that is not a problem...but to expect 5 pounds and get 12 is not the same...I would expect my money return, IF these things were discussed before hand...all depends on what the breeder promised...and they should write it out so no one gets confused...and most certainly, if the buyer said they were thinking of breeding before hand, they deserve a refund..

It is so much easier to show people the parents, grandparents etc...tell them it will be a healthy, pet quality pup at the time of the sale. Have the vet weight from check up and calulate adult weight from there...but if size is the main issue, tell them to go elsewhere..

[speck103]

I'm so tired of hearing these kinds of complaints. Yes, breeders try to breed to standard, but there can never be a guaruntee. That's impossible that all yorkies will be born to standard or to look like their parents. It's just like with people, you can estimate a size and weight, but that's it. My Merlot weighs 10 pounds. His Mom was 5.5 and dad 4 pounds. He comes from award winning show yorkies. Who knows why he weighs more, but of course he is all yorkie!
I think that breeders should be honest with people and tell them these things before selling any animals. I personally don't care what size he came out to be as long as he wasn't the size of a german Shepard (I live in an apartment), but many people do, so honesty and education is key in these situations!

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I don't mean to offend you but yourposts have taken this thread totally off topic. It is not about breed standard. It is about someone being told they were getting one kind dog and ended up with another that looks almost like a mix.

you didnt offend me im sorry if you think i was being off i was making a comment towards other people on this who said this dog shouldnt be breed with cos of its size. and like i said if the breeder said the dog would be breed standard then she should give some money back but if not then she shouldnt. the dog doesnt look like a mix imo it looks like a large yorkie.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by RLC12345678

FYI -- I have a yorkie that is 3 lbs. who is perfectly healthy. I know many many others on here do, too. My parents also have a yorkie who is 12 lbs who is not perfectly healthy. So, I don't think we can make a generalization based on weight.

I agree that this thread has gotten WAY off topic. Maybe we should hear from the originator of the thread to see if her issues have been resolved. If they have, then we can all quit arguing and just agree to disagree.

im sorry if you think i was arguing i wasnt i was just giving my opinion, yes there are a lot of fit and healthy small yorkies and dont get me wrong i think small ones are cute and have had them my point was they were breed down in size cos thats what people wanted not for the good of the breed.

[sashajade]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Sashajade...Yes, I agree, the Yorkie was much larger until around 1930, we are 76 yrs away from those times and the standard has been revised AND BY the same people who developed the breed in the first place.

What is important is the standard....a breeder either adheres to or gives every effort to adhere to the standard or stops calling their dogs Yorkies.
If they change the standard to include larger Yorkies, then I have the option to breed larger..at this point I do not have this option IF I want to be a reputable, honest breeder.

Yorkies are companion dogs, spending 24 hrs with their owners..many people want one they can travel with, handle with little effort. Not all are able to groom a 15 pounder...infact as I started downsizing my grooming business..(I had to because of arthitis in my fingers) I stopped grooming anything over 10 pounds...and it is not easy to carry a 10 pounder when traveling.

If we do not like the rules, change them, but we can not toss them out because we do not like or agree with them....the workers in the mills and mines in Manchester, Leeds.etc needed a large Yorkie to kill vermin...I have never in all my years had a potential pet buyer want a Yorkie for rat control..
BUT if the day comes we are run over by rats and mice again, perhaps they will see a need to revise the standard.

What this post boils down to is this...the breeder said the pup would be what it is not..the buyer paid for one thing and got another...if I ask the baker for an elcair and I get home finding an APPLE in the bag..I am not going to accept the bakers explaination that the apple is better for me then the elcair..I want what I asked and paid for..once again, common sense dog breeding 101.

i agree and had already put that if the dog was sold as breed standard then some money should be given back. the people who gave the breed standard were not the people who developed the breed the people who first breed the yorkie were normal every day working men with familys not the kennel club, also as i said it was about fashion at the time which as with clothes changes over years, it wasnt set for the best health and looks of the dog it was just looks.