What is a quality breeder to YT?

[Tashasmom]

Then I would have to totally disagree with that vet..right is right and wrong is wrong..

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

Reputable breeders let their dogs retire to the good life after their time contributing to the breed.

Meaning that show dogs have a "bad life?"

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Meaning that show dogs have a "bad life?"

no, meaning they have a different life than what Tasha described as the perfect "pet life"

as I stated the lives of show dogs varies. not everyone treats them the same. the main difference i saw was the steps one has to go through, to protect the coat. oiled and wrapped up...or staying off the grass seemed like something most of us wouldn't do with our pets.

[Tashasmom]

Dogs are meant to run play bark dig sniff ect. ect. Those are the reasons I have a dog..or dogs shall i say..If i wanted something that was to be kept in a cage i'd get a hamster or a fish..why get any dog if you can't enjoy doing with them what dogs love to do the most..thats just silly if you ask me..yep she looks pretty..she walks pretty..oh no she can dig up a bone..nope she can't swim in a pond..oh no no no she can't walk in a park..no can't do that either..but she sure can hold her head just right and look at that coat..oh that is just beautiful..

[Olivier]

I have 4 yorkies and show them . They all stay in my house . I have a room for mother and pups .

Saying that all showdogs don't have good life is unrealistic . As in everythings in the world , there are good and bad . A medal have and will always have two sides .

[fl24019]

Originally Posted by Tashasmom

Dogs are meant to run play bark dig sniff ect. ect. Those are the reasons I have a dog..or dogs shall i say..If i wanted something that was to be kept in a cage i'd get a hamster or a fish..why get any dog if you can't enjoy doing with them what dogs love to do the most..thats just silly if you ask me..yep she looks pretty..she walks pretty..oh no she can dig up a bone..nope she can't swim in a pond..oh no no no she can't walk in a park..no can't do that either..but she sure can hold her head just right and look at that coat..oh that is just beautiful..

I see where you're coming from, but I have had the opposite experience. Show dogs I have known are pampered and catered to and doted on. They get the best possible diet, exercise and training. While they have some restrictions while their coats are in wraps, when they are young and when their show careers are over, their coats are cut down and they live a normal dogs life. Showing is not something everyone wants to do, but it's hard to listen to an argument that show dogs are somehow abused. I'm sure some are, but so are some people's children. Generally speaking, they get the best care any dog ever gets.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

no, meaning they have a different life than what Tasha described as the perfect "pet life"

as I stated the lives of show dogs varies. not everyone treats them the same. the main difference i saw was the steps one has to go through, to protect the coat. oiled and wrapped up...or staying off the grass seemed like something most of us wouldn't do with our pets.

Oooh OK...you had me worried there for a minute.

[Tashasmom]

Originally Posted by fl24019

I see where you're coming from, but I have had the opposite experience. Show dogs I have known are pampered and catered to and doted on. They get the best possible diet, exercise and training. While they have some restrictions while their coats are in wraps, when they are young and when their show careers are over, their coats are cut down and they live a normal dogs life. Showing is not something everyone wants to do, but it's hard to listen to an argument that show dogs are somehow abused. I'm sure some are, but so are some people's children. Generally speaking, they get the best care any dog ever gets.

Maybe I've come across wrong here. I don't feel they are abused. And it does make me feel better to hear that they spend the majority of their life being a dog (after their show career is over). I'm not saying show dogs are kept in cages treated cruelly..i meant that any breeder whether they show or not that keeps their breeding dogs or any dogs in cages..does not sit right with me. I feel it is wrong. Now keep in mind it's how I feel. How I feel toyou or anyone else means nothing. It's just my opinion and my preference.
No I wouldn't show a dog. I don't have what it takes to show a dog. I enjoy being outdoors too much and want my dogs with me when I am. My dog would never achieve a show coat because I coudn't keep her inside. If you and your dog enjoy that then that's fine. I am happy that you get to do what you enjoy. I would like to think some are happy with what i'm doing. But if they aren't then that is fine too. I do what I do because it pleases me and my family. Just as I'm sure you do as you do for the same reason.
I know i got heated on the discussion of showing. I am sorry for that. I have seen your side and agree with some of it. I don't beleive you have to show a dog to breed quality yorkies. I beleive you have to be educated to breed quality anything. Showing to me in my eyes is a hobby nothing more. It to me doesn't prove that you have quality dogs. It proves to me that you have one dog that can win in a ring (if it has) that is all it says to me. I would have to see your breeding dogs, see your references, talk to your vet ect. ect. for me to say you have quality dogs. Just because one judge or 5 judges say you do doesn't mean anything to me. Its your knowledge of the breed and your quality of the breed that means something to me. Showing for you would be icing on the cake to me it woould me oh he or she enjoys showing..how nice..

[yorkieK9trainer]

Everyone involved w/ this breed (in a breeding text) should be out to stick w/ the standard and if you're interested, make a name for yourself in the breeding community in a positive light. If there is something about the standard that you don't like-come up w/ your own reasons, join a club and voice yourself! Take it to the AKC w/ good backing and you'll be heard.
If you haven't any reason to disagree w/ the standard, breed to it. No "teacup" this/that- they're just small Yorkies (out of standard) and shouldn't be encouraged. Remember how far this breed has come from Ben back in the day around 15 lbs. I mean, we've come a LONG way w/ this breed in a relatively short time-which is why we have such a variety today. But there are those of us that truely love the breed as a breed and want it to thrive for even many more years and it can't and won't if the breeders of today don't hold themselves to a higher standard from the breeders from yesteryear. And that means taking advantage of the new tests we've created for these little dogs and showing people (thorugh showing is a fabulous campaign) that the breed as a whole is getting healthier, and still fitting the standard!
I LOVE YORKIES!!!

ps a good standard coat is desired and should be closely looked for, but more importantly structure (which can greatly affect health), health, and temperment.

[yorkieK9trainer]

"No I wouldn't show a dog. I don't have what it takes to show a dog. I enjoy being outdoors too much and want my dogs with me when I am. My dog would never achieve a show coat because I coudn't keep her inside. If you and your dog enjoy that then that's fine."

One more note-you can show your Yorkie clipped up! If his/her structure is nice, you'll do just fine. What show am I talking about?? You can go to a fun match (breed specific or not) and "show" your clipped Yorkie. It doesn't go on the record books for the AKC and most judges are more than happy to evaluate the structural soundness of any Yorkie if it fits the standard (w/ exception to the coat) and give you a heads up on that dogs strong point and weak points. I would trust that the hoops that judge had to jump through to get his title would make him more qualified and have a more valued opinion than the person showing. If the person who is showing could be a better judge, then become one. If you don't have the time, keep it zipped or report the judge.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Everyone involved w/ this breed (in a breeding text) should be out to stick w/ the standard and if you're interested, make a name for yourself in the breeding community in a positive light. If there is something about the standard that you don't like-come up w/ your own reasons, join a club and voice yourself! Take it to the AKC w/ good backing and you'll be heard.
If you haven't any reason to disagree w/ the standard, breed to it. No "teacup" this/that- they're just small Yorkies (out of standard) and shouldn't be encouraged. Remember how far this breed has come from Ben back in the day around 15 lbs. I mean, we've come a LONG way w/ this breed in a relatively short time-which is why we have such a variety today. But there are those of us that truely love the breed as a breed and want it to thrive for even many more years and it can't and won't if the breeders of today don't hold themselves to a higher standard from the breeders from yesteryear. And that means taking advantage of the new tests we've created for these little dogs and showing people (thorugh showing is a fabulous campaign) that the breed as a whole is getting healthier, and still fitting the standard!
I LOVE YORKIES!!!

ps a good standard coat is desired and should be closely looked for, but more importantly structure (which can greatly affect health), health, and temperment.

I don't think that anyone disagrees with you here. I am very stongly against breeding tinies, please understand that. But could you please advise as to where you get your information as to them being "out of the standard?" I am aware of the maximum wieght guidelines...what are the minimum guidelines...or do you just go by the "common sense" method?

[yorkieK9trainer]

I want to say "Well put" on the lap warmers segment on this thread.

Further, what I meant was that some people who attend shows go in w/ an air about them that their dogs back home (whom they are planning on breeding) are breed worthy Yorkies and go into a show thinking that the "supposedly show/good quality" Yorkies couldn't possibly be much different than what they have at home. I've had a large handful of my clients who were those very people, go to a show w/ me and put there hands on these dogs and talk to breeders/owners/handlers (after these people have alreayd had their chance in the ring and actually had time to chat) and put their breeding regimine on hold back home because they realized what they were missing! Now two have mentors and while they don't have the finances to show (showing in Rally can be cheaper, just pick something) and since that was the case realized they also didn't have the money up front for a C-section should they need to or have the money to replace their bitch if she died due to complications. If you're making money as a breeder, you're doing something wrong (most likely).

So, I think I may have just mis-worded myself once more. In regards to the size, I go by the "common sense" method, or proportion method. Remember these are supposed to be square dogs. If a breeder achieves that and stays under the seven pound mark, only half their work is done. Everything in moderation and everything in proportion.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Everyone involved w/ this breed (in a breeding text) should be out to stick w/ the standard and if you're interested, make a name for yourself in the breeding community in a positive light. If there is something about the standard that you don't like-come up w/ your own reasons, join a club and voice yourself! Take it to the AKC w/ good backing and you'll be heard.
If you haven't any reason to disagree w/ the standard, breed to it. No "teacup" this/that- they're just small Yorkies (out of standard) and shouldn't be encouraged. Remember how far this breed has come from Ben back in the day around 15 lbs. I mean, we've come a LONG way w/ this breed in a relatively short time-which is why we have such a variety today. But there are those of us that truely love the breed as a breed and want it to thrive for even many more years and it can't and won't if the breeders of today don't hold themselves to a higher standard from the breeders from yesteryear. And that means taking advantage of the new tests we've created for these little dogs and showing people (thorugh showing is a fabulous campaign) that the breed as a whole is getting healthier, and still fitting the standard!
I LOVE YORKIES!!!

ps a good standard coat is desired and should be closely looked for, but more importantly structure (which can greatly affect health), health, and temperment.

I found this post very interesting.

I don't believe in "teacup" either, but there is no minimum size stated in the standard, only a maximum of 7 pounds. Personally I think between 5 and 7 is a good size.

Then you point out that Ben was 15 pounds
Well if they had set the standard at that and kept it there we wouldn't be breeding 7 pound dogs.

I do not know about the history of other breeds of dogs. but the really unique thing about yorkies is that they are a breed that their beginning can be traced back to it's very origin. And it has evolved over the years.

I imagine there were people back then that protested any deviation from what they personally felt that the standard should be set at. Just as there are those today, that do not feel that any deviation from the standard should be accepted.

[yorkieK9trainer]

ps, if you can find a yorkie that is considered a "tea cup" that is within standard-proper bone for its sexroper biteroper colorroper movement &c. then I wouldn't be so against the steriotypical "tea cup" yorkie!! Also, you'd see them popping up at shows, somewhere!
(I'm not talking about Ch. backgrounds that produced a tea cup, I'm talking about a tea cup being shown because it conforms to standard.)

[yorkieK9trainer]

The 15 lbs Yorkie was changed to it's smaller counter part of today for many reasons. One of them being the health problems that occured in the larger Yorkies, much like the health problems that occur in the extreme of the breed today (tea cups) and that is why BOTH are frowned upon and the standard is what it is today up to seven pounds.
(so the standard was changed, thankfully enough people w/ common sense got together and changed it. That may happen again one day, until then...)

"Then you point out that Ben was 15 pounds
Well if they had set the standard at that and kept it there we wouldn't be breeding 7 pound dogs."