What is a quality breeder to YT?

[shelbysmom]

I find it pretty amazing that breeders that show have to defend what they are doing on a board for pure bred dogs. If you are against showing dogs then you do not understand the reason that AKC exists or why people compete. It is not a beauty contest, it is a way to measure quality specimens of the standard of each breed. If there weren't shows pure bred dogs would disappear.

In my opinion breeders should ONLY breed if they have good specimens to breed. They don't have to show, but people that show usually understand the standard and are striving for the best. If you don't show, you should have your dogs evaluated by someone that understands the breed before you breed.

Anyone can say their dogs are good enough to breed and they make good lap warmers. There are many lap warmers available at shelters throughout the country. That is NOT the reason to be involved with pure bred dogs.

If you breed, don't dilute the breed with poor quality pups. It's sad when people own Yorkies and no one recognizes what kind of dog they have.

[dskeeter1983]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I find it pretty amazing that breeders that show have to defend what they are doing on a board for pure bred dogs. If you are against showing dogs then you do not understand the reason that AKC exists or why people compete. It is not a beauty contest, it is a way to measure quality specimens of the standard of each breed. If there weren't shows pure bred dogs would disappear.

In my opinion breeders should ONLY breed if they have good specimens to breed. They don't have to show, but people that show usually understand the standard and are striving for the best. If you don't show, you should have your dogs evaluated by someone that understands the breed before you breed.

Anyone can say their dogs are good enough to breed and they make good lap warmers. There are many lap warmers available at shelters throughout the country. That is NOT the reason to be involved with pure bred dogs.

If you breed, don't dilute the breed with poor quality pups. It's sad when people own Yorkies and no one recognizes what kind of dog they have.

Well some people are less fortunate and dont have the money to show , ,some just preferr not to show and I am one of those people but i dont breed either , but I still dont understand what people have against ( lap warmers ) that is what you all cal them but to people who have nothing they are more then that . I think anyway. If I was a breeder maybe I would show my dog , but I will never know. because I dont want to breed.

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by dskeeter1983

Well some people are less fortunate and dont have the money to show , ,some just preferr not to show and I am one of those people but i dont breed either , but I still dont understand what people have against ( lap warmers ) that is what you all cal them but to people who have nothing they are more then that . I think anyway. If I was a breeder maybe I would show my dog , but I will never know. because I dont want to breed.

I have nothing against pure bred lap warmers, I have plenty against BREEDING pure bred lap warmers. ( By lap warmer I am talking about pet quality Yorkies that are not up to standard.)

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

In my opinion breeders should ONLY breed if they have good specimens to breed. They don't have to show, but people that show usually understand the standard and are striving for the best. If you don't show, you should have your dogs evaluated by someone that understands the breed before you breed.

Thank you.. I agree with this completely.

[dskeeter1983]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I have nothing against pure bred lap warmers, I have plenty against BREEDING pure bred lap warmers. ( By lap warmer I am talking about pet quality Yorkies that are not up to standard.)

well my dogs come from a good line of show dogs I have seen paper's. and trophie's . My yorkies are of good quality and I do not breed and i wont breed.
my dogs are of good quality to me weather they are showen or not showen

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Like? I'm ignorant on this. I myself cannot think of a better way to get to know a breed and get into touch w/ it's standard than to see and put my hands on these dogs that supposedly "conform to standard" than to go to a dog show.

I am confused? Is this to assume that the only dogs that "conform to standard" are those in the ring? There are many aspects to breeding as we all know? Which part are you talking about?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by shelbysmom

I find it pretty amazing that breeders that show have to defend what they are doing on a board for pure bred dogs. If you are against showing dogs then you do not understand the reason that AKC exists or why people compete. It is not a beauty contest, it is a way to measure quality specimens of the standard of each breed. If there weren't shows pure bred dogs would disappear.

In my opinion breeders should ONLY breed if they have good specimens to breed. They don't have to show, but people that show usually understand the standard and are striving for the best. If you don't show, you should have your dogs evaluated by someone that understands the breed before you breed.

Anyone can say their dogs are good enough to breed and they make good lap warmers. There are many lap warmers available at shelters throughout the country. That is NOT the reason to be involved with pure bred dogs.

If you breed, don't dilute the breed with poor quality pups. It's sad when people own Yorkies and no one recognizes what kind of dog they have.

Show breeders should not have to defend what they do. But one does not have to show to get quality dogs. I believe that going to shows and talking to breeders is a good way to get to know the breed. But you can breed quality dogs without showing them. Just as there are many talented artists in the world that no one has ever heard of, simply because they did not care to take the road to stardom. And there are many beautifful women who have never won a beauty pagent, because they did not have the time or money or desire to get up on the runway.

Champions can come from anywhere. I do agree that it is important to know the breed, but I don't believe that showing is the only way to accomplish that.

[dskeeter1983]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I am confused? Is this to assume that the only dogs that "conform to standard" are those in the ring? There are many aspects to breeding as we all know? Which part are you talking about?

i dont know either I am just sticking up for breeders and dogs that dont show or get showen.
i love my dogs and that is all that matters to me it dont meen they are not of good quality.

[yorkieskater]

I like the part where it said that the breeder was willing to take questions and criticisms. I found a lot of breeders who would not answer questions and who were rude over the phone. If I'm paying $1000 or even more...I have the right to ask questions.
I had a long list of questions, but I knew what I wanted. My biggest thing was that I wanted a line of dogs with minimal health problem history, natural feeding (cooked homemade, natural dog food, or raw), limited vaccines in the line. to some people, this may not be important but to me it was. I found a breeder who was everything I was looking for and answered lengthy emails AND let me come and visit the dogs. She also picked out a dog and set it aside for me because she knew it was the type I was looking for. I pick him up in 2-3 weeks. Counting down the days.
suzie

[BamaFan121s]

Oh Suzie...I know you are so excited. We just spent a long time looking for that "just right" dog and finally picked him up this past Sun....I know you are about to explode with excitement.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Show breeders should not have to defend what they do. But one does not have to show to get quality dogs. I believe that going to shows and talking to breeders is a good way to get to know the breed. But you can breed quality dogs without showing them. Just as there are many talented artists in the world that no one has ever heard of, simply because they did not care to take the road to stardom. And there are many beautifful women who have never won a beauty pagent, because they did not have the time or money or desire to get up on the runway.

Champions can come from anywhere. I do agree that it is important to know the breed, but I don't believe that showing is the only way to accomplish that.

Very nicely said....

This was an interesting thread. As a non breeder I do appreciate all the time and effort that goes into breeding....and personally...I'm glad there are breeders out there that breed to better the breed but may not show...As someone who would love another yorkie... I have a feeling most of us couldn't afford a true 'show' yorkie with CH / Titles in their lines......

[Gazou]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

And you get many of your experiences first hand by owning these dogs, competing and breeding right? Did you learn by a mentor and then just getting out there are doing it?

That's my understanding so far and if so, you are the kind of breeder I would recommend any day. I wish there were even more people out there like you than there are now.

I started showing dogs ( different breeds ) as a junior handler . I learned about Yorkies with my mentor . Believe me I worked hard to be able to have 2 pups from her . It wasn't a piece of cake everyday . I learned how to take care of coats ( wrappers , oiling etc ,etc ) , training a puppy , helping a mother to be ,
taking care of orphan puppy . I learned the good and worst part . The worst part was cleaning the xpens , floors , etc .

[Tashasmom]

You know it doesn't bother me so much that people show. If that is what they want to do..i say go for it. There is only one thing that bothers me about some breeders period. And yep i'm gonna tell ya what that is.
Keeping way too many females and males for that matter and not just that but keeping them in kennels, cages ect. I don't understand how anyone can say they love dogs and yet keep them in a cage. This doesn't pertain to crates..i think crates are important to training as well as safety when you aren't home if you have a new pup...
I have been to kennels..licensed kennels ....to a kennel where the owner had some show dogs type of kennels..and i've never felt such heartbreak.
I bought a dog a few years ago (as a pet) from a licensed kennel and she had never felt grass under her feet. She didn't know what it was like to roll around in dirt or swim in a lake. So really when it comes down to it..thats what bothers me.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Tashasmom

You know it doesn't bother me so much that people show. If that is what they want to do..i say go for it. There is only one thing that bothers me about some breeders period. And yep i'm gonna tell ya what that is.
Keeping way too many females and males for that matter and not just that but keeping them in kennels, cages ect. I don't understand how anyone can say they love dogs and yet keep them in a cage. This doesn't pertain to crates..i think crates are important to training as well as safety when you aren't home if you have a new pup...
I have been to kennels..licensed kennels ....to a kennel where the owner had some show dogs type of kennels..and i've never felt such heartbreak.
I bought a dog a few years ago (as a pet) from a licensed kennel and she had never felt grass under her feet. She didn't know what it was like to roll around in dirt or swim in a lake. So really when it comes down to it..thats what bothers me.

I agree with you on that. If they are not going to be in the family home, then they should at least have a run that goes out into a grassy area. Although I did read, in a book, written by a vet, that if the dog has never known any difference, then they don't mind, as long as their cages are kept clean, etc. That may be true, but I still feel sorry for them.

[shelbysmom]

Originally Posted by Tashasmom

You know it doesn't bother me so much that people show. If that is what they want to do..i say go for it. There is only one thing that bothers me about some breeders period. And yep i'm gonna tell ya what that is.
Keeping way too many females and males for that matter and not just that but keeping them in kennels, cages ect. I don't understand how anyone can say they love dogs and yet keep them in a cage. This doesn't pertain to crates..i think crates are important to training as well as safety when you aren't home if you have a new pup...
I have been to kennels..licensed kennels ....to a kennel where the owner had some show dogs type of kennels..and i've never felt such heartbreak.
I bought a dog a few years ago (as a pet) from a licensed kennel and she had never felt grass under her feet. She didn't know what it was like to roll around in dirt or swim in a lake. So really when it comes down to it..thats what bothers me.

That would bother me too. I never saw that type of kennel in my search and I wouldn't buy from anyone that did that. (which is why I wouldn't buy from a commercial breeder EVER)

The breeders I visited all show their dogs and the dogs lived in a variety of environments. Some of the dogs spent time in crates but many pets spend time in crates while owners go to work right?

And remember, their life as a "show" dog is temporary. Reputable breeders let their dogs retire to the good life after their time contributing to the breed. (they can't "run in the grass" while they are showing b/c it cuts their hair)