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BamaFan121s · 03-14-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

The question was of ethics on this thread. Not quality. And your dogs are not in question here, nor are any specific dogs. More of a breed and those who are ethical and breed to try and produce progeny that fit our breeds' standard. Whether those puppies go on to be lap warmers or show contestants!

Question/discussion understood.

dskeeter1983 · 03-14-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say it meant nothing. I was trying to make a point that I personally don't feel like it is the only way to go about reaching your goal. I think that it is a great place to start for those who don't have other places to go for guidance. My point is, there are others ways to go to reach the very same goal.

and I agree with you .

dskeeter1983 · 03-14-2006, 10:12 AM

i dont think there is anything wrong with lap warmers.

but opinions very and I guess is goes on to again you are right and I am wrong , I will defend my dogs and anyone elses on here ok ,

there is no such thing as having to show , for a good breeding dog
and that again is my opinion.

Gazou · 03-14-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

"A quality breeder is for me , someone who is able to point out the good and bad points of his dogs without lying to himself ."

To himself OR buyers. I think that was on the list at the beginning of this thread. Glad I didn't miss it!
Thanks.

To himself first . If a breeder have so so dogs and he or she isn't able to evaluate them , how do you think he or she will be able to explain the quality to the potential owners ?

yorkieK9trainer · 03-14-2006, 10:13 AM

"My point is, there are others ways to go to reach the very same goal."

Like? I'm ignorant on this.

I myself cannot think of a better way to get to know a breed and get into touch w/ it's standard than to see and put my hands on these dogs that supposedly "conform to standard" than to go to a dog show. These are quite beneficial traits that are necc. to know that what you are producing is within standard. Not just read a manual, but also see and feel finished products. Honestly, if you know of another way-they must exist-or even a better way, please inform me!
I've been known to be wrong on a thing or two (you won't hear me say that often, so take it while ya can! lol) but honestly, what ways are you proposing?

Please dear god don't say "Trial and error" because I really liked what I had for breakfast and don't need to see it again. Oh, and I'm drinking a pepsi right now and would like to keep IT off MY keyboard! LOL

mustangbee · 03-14-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gazou

A quality breeder is for me , someone who is able to point out the good and bad points of his dogs without lying to himself .

That's it in a nut shell!!!

yorkieK9trainer · 03-14-2006, 10:14 AM

"To himself first . If a breeder have so so dogs and he or she isn't able to evaluate them , how do you think he or she will be able to explain the quality to the potential owners ?"

Where do you advise that "breeders" learn to evaluate their dogs properly?

dskeeter1983 · 03-14-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

"To himself first . If a breeder have so so dogs and he or she isn't able to evaluate them , how do you think he or she will be able to explain the quality to the potential owners ?"

Where do you advise that "breeders" learn to evaluate their dogs properly?

Well if it came down to me being a breeder I would tell them that how unfortunate I am but I do not show but The grandparents of my dogs where champions .

lol lol lol lol.

good thing I am not a breeder.

BamaFan121s · 03-14-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

Please dear god don't say "Trial and error"

Oh dear God no!

NEVER!

YorkieRini · 03-14-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

"To himself first . If a breeder have so so dogs and he or she isn't able to evaluate them , how do you think he or she will be able to explain the quality to the potential owners ?"

Where do you advise that "breeders" learn to evaluate their dogs properly?

Well as Steve is already showing his Yorkies and has referenced his mentor many times. It's obvious Steve is speaking of himself and his experience..Steve, I hope I'm right as I say this..lolol

Tashasmom · 03-14-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Oh dear God no!

NEVER!

lol this is killing me..too funny..
oh bama i'm with ya 100%

Gazou · 03-14-2006, 10:37 AM

Yes , I show my Yorkies . I am really proud to do it .

Rarely I will answer for other persons . I was only telling what I believe about the subject . Referring on my experiences .

yorkieK9trainer · 03-14-2006, 10:44 AM

And you get many of your experiences first hand by owning these dogs, competing and breeding right? Did you learn by a mentor and then just getting out there are doing it?

That's my understanding so far and if so, you are the kind of breeder I would recommend any day. I wish there were even more people out there like you than there are now.

fl24019 · 03-14-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

I agree with that statement. We've already established that you don't have to SHOW to breed quality dogs,. You just have to SHOW if you want champion in front of their name. There are a lot of quality yorkies out there that have NO champions in their pedigrees. And there are a lot that have champion in their pedigree but are not quality.

I would have to respectfully disagree with you. I can honestly say I have never met what I would consider a quality yorkie that had no champions in their pedigree. I have met many wonderful, desireable, healthy ones, but none I would consider true quality.

I think the list of qualities a good breeder should have that was in the original post in this thread is perfect.

fl24019 · 03-14-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

"My point is, there are others ways to go to reach the very same goal."

Like? I'm ignorant on this.

I myself cannot think of a better way to get to know a breed and get into touch w/ it's standard than to see and put my hands on these dogs that supposedly "conform to standard" than to go to a dog show. These are quite beneficial traits that are necc. to know that what you are producing is within standard. Not just read a manual, but also see and feel finished products. Honestly, if you know of another way-they must exist-or even a better way, please inform me!
I've been known to be wrong on a thing or two (you won't hear me say that often, so take it while ya can! lol) but honestly, what ways are you proposing?

Please dear god don't say "Trial and error" because I really liked what I had for breakfast and don't need to see it again. Oh, and I'm drinking a pepsi right now and would like to keep IT off MY keyboard! LOL

Couldn't agree with you more. Talking with judges after judging, talking with other breeders, attending breed seminars, etc. are all an important part being a responsible breeder in my opinion.

There are "satellite" breeders who may not show their dogs, but are making breedings based on the advice and with dogs bred by a mentor who is. This is becoming more and more common. If you want to breed but don't want to show, this is a great alternative.

03-14-2006, 10:12 AM	#18
dskeeter1983 YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 380	ok i dont think there is anything wrong with lap warmers. but opinions very and I guess is goes on to again you are right and I am wrong , I will defend my dogs and anyone elses on here ok , there is no such thing as having to show , for a good breeding dog and that again is my opinion. __________________ Live , Love , Learn Callie And Tia Last edited by dskeeter1983; 03-14-2006 at 10:12 AM. Reason: spelling

03-14-2006, 10:13 AM	#20
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	BamaFan" " "My point is, there are others ways to go to reach the very same goal." Like? I'm ignorant on this. I myself cannot think of a better way to get to know a breed and get into touch w/ it's standard than to see and put my hands on these dogs that supposedly "conform to standard" than to go to a dog show. These are quite beneficial traits that are necc. to know that what you are producing is within standard. Not just read a manual, but also see and feel finished products. Honestly, if you know of another way-they must exist-or even a better way, please inform me! I've been known to be wrong on a thing or two (you won't hear me say that often, so take it while ya can! lol) but honestly, what ways are you proposing? Please dear god don't say "Trial and error" because I really liked what I had for breakfast and don't need to see it again. Oh, and I'm drinking a pepsi right now and would like to keep IT off MY keyboard! LOL __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

03-14-2006, 10:14 AM	#22
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	"To himself first . If a breeder have so so dogs and he or she isn't able to evaluate them , how do you think he or she will be able to explain the quality to the potential owners ?" Where do you advise that "breeders" learn to evaluate their dogs properly? __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

03-14-2006, 10:44 AM	#28
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	Gazou And you get many of your experiences first hand by owning these dogs, competing and breeding right? Did you learn by a mentor and then just getting out there are doing it? That's my understanding so far and if so, you are the kind of breeder I would recommend any day. I wish there were even more people out there like you than there are now. __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

03-14-2006, 10:37 AM	#27
Gazou YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,180	Yes , I show my Yorkies . I am really proud to do it . Rarely I will answer for other persons . I was only telling what I believe about the subject . Referring on my experiences .