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12-28-2014, 07:36 PM | #31 | |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
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12-28-2014, 08:45 PM | #32 | |
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This is a nuanced and multi-faceted discussion. First all dogs of ALLBREEDS have genetic issues, laying back somewhere in their lines. And if a breeder disclosed to me what-ever the genetic issue was I would be happy they did so. It is up to me as the purchaser to decide if I want to invest in this puppy, to request certain additional testing, or to pass. All lines if you can go back far enough will have some health issues in them. You seem to think that the health history is a clear book. It quite frankly is not! The health registries have only been up for about 25 or so years, and all breeders do NOT post their results. It has been for many many years word of mouth sharing amongst breeders. Breeders make a decision to breed based upon the whole dog. Weighing the faults and attributes of each dog and each mating pair. In my breed we have two genetic tests - true genetic tests. I will disclose if my puppy is a carrier for either one, but as a pet dog never to be bred it truly means nothing. If I sell a dog as a breeding dog, then it means something to the breeder. And just so you know a carrier is NOT affected by the disease but is a genetic carrier of the disease. HD and ED and LP all fall into the polygenetic recessive arena. And there are known studies that show proper rearing and exercise can affect both the severity and even the clinical manifestation of all these diseases. And for most of that it is a joint responsibility of the breeder and the future owner! The world is not black n white, not in dog breeding, horse breeding, or even taxes. I have posted before about the three strike rule. Many breeders abide by this.
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12-28-2014, 08:54 PM | #33 | |
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12-28-2014, 09:13 PM | #34 | |
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To the OP, good luck in your search.
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12-28-2014, 09:15 PM | #35 | |
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I disagree, and I tried to explain why in my post. But believe what you will. There are certain issues that automatically disqualifies a dog from breeding and certain concerns that do not.
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12-28-2014, 09:42 PM | #36 | |
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12-28-2014, 09:44 PM | #37 |
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| I believe in the end though that comes down to what someone's opinion is of that issues whether they think it's a big deal to breed a dog with that issue or not. Everyone's opinion will be different about what they feels is ok to ignore and what's not.
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12-29-2014, 03:36 AM | #38 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | To all commenting on the LP issue: Whoa!!! Have I opened a can of worms here!!! OK, you all should already know 2 things about me: #1 I care very much about the puppy that is out there as I am wanting to learn all I can ahead of buying. #2 I am really doing my best to find a very reputable breeder, having searched out Yorkie groups and respected breeders for referrals and advice. And cross-referencing all that I learn. Now, here is abit of risky behavior amid the lively discussion. Those on both sides of this issue might really let me have it, but regardless, I will comment on what I have gathered from all expressed here and in another thread I started hoping to gather the opinions of Yorkie breeders as well as those of general Yorkie owners. First of all, I DO need to ask more details about this particular puppy dad. I now have a good ideas of what those questions should be, so thank you all!! There is one assumption that is being made here, and that is that the breeder knew all along that this dog had a knee problem and through caution to the wind and breed the dog regardless. UNFAIR!! I have not asked what was known and when. I have not found out when the knee problem began. For all we know, this is something that has just come up since the dog was breed. So I think that is an important distinction. On the other hand, perhaps there was a way for this breeder to figure this out ahead of any breeding, remember I am a newbie, regardless I am willing to inquire further before making my decision. Another issue is that of the control breeders have over nature. I have to believe that even with all the most reputable breeders best efforts, Mother Nature throws a curve ball from time to time. So I am willing to find out more of the big picture with this breeder. There also seems to be the questions of severity and activity level of the LP dog meaning, is the dog's activity level making the situation worse. I do not know enough to really understand all the aspects of this issue. I will say that I do not believe that this is a Black and White situation. I will not drop this breeder or puppies from my "shopping list" on this one issue. Remember, I am not purchasing a dog for breeding. I know that the dog in question has had multiple litters of offspring already. I have been told be two separate dog owners of this dog's offspring that they know of no problem within those litters, nor do their dogs have knee problems. Anyone who is willing to really do their homework prior to buying a puppy must come to realize that there are multiple and complex issues to be considered when interviewing each breeder. Perhaps some of you are being led to believe that I think this may all be OK, but I do agree with those who say that if a breeder knows that a dog has a particular genetic problem of significance they do need to refrain from breeding the dog in question. I want to take a look at the whole picture of both the breeder, the parent dogs and their histories/pedigrees, and the puppies for sale along with the condition of their littermates and siblings from other litters. Again, I am now armed with lots of additional questions to ask to gather more information prior to making a decision to buy one of the puppies being offered. Again it is so great to be in a situation to hear opposing opinions and consider all points. Thank you all for your comments. Regarding, male or female, after reading all those comments, I am still thinking I will set that factor aside and choose a pup for overall temperment and LOL: perhaps cuteness!! (Happy to end on a lighthearted note.) |
12-30-2014, 12:31 AM | #40 |
YT 3000 Club Member | another thought, when I got chester he picked me out and it was love a first sight, chester is my first yorkie and he is a love bug, very social and outgoing and loves kids, and just in the last few years he gets cranky with some other dogs, they are a great breed stubborn, willful, entertaining and very smart and I love every minute of it. Chester was 12 in September and he just got lp in the last 8 months or so since he got older, good luck. |
12-31-2014, 08:15 AM | #41 | |
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