Small dog syndrome

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by chachi

Here is my take on pits and other large prey driven dogs. I know there can be trained well behaved pitts because of the show pit bulls and paroles on animal planet. Those arent the kind of pits I encounter out on walks and in neighborhoods. The ones I encounter bark angrily and try there best to get to us to attack us on walks. They are not trained and they want to hurt me and my little dogs that are just minding their own business. For this reason I will never trust a pitt with my dogs or I would never trust them around my child. I may have a prejudice but it is based off of experience and not ignorance.

I think the big issue there is the not training. I think saying some one dosent want to be around a certain breed because of ignorance is very wrong to people and it bothers me when other people say that because there are people who research and study certain things and still are afraid of them. There are breeds other then just Pitts that I do not like to have around my yorkie and it's because of my preferences and people tend to have preferences but like you it does not make me ignorant.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Yorkies were bred to break the necks of rats

I know! I've read their history many times over since I've been into them. Fascinating story and they served humans well by keeping mills, farms and homesteads rat population reduced and thus helping with plague and other things rodents carry about. It's a darn-good thing Yorkshire Terriers aren't big and powerfully built! With their terrier aggression and any retained killer instinct, they would need someone in control just like all big, powerful dogs do or they might be considered one of the most dangerous breeds to humans and other pets.

But at least we no longer breed them for the killer or more vicious aspect of their temperament and yet it's amazing how terrier-like they remain even today! Speaks volumes about how those still breeding big, powerful bully-types for horrible fighting skills are hurting the breed they love by keeping those particular genes new and continually refreshed!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I think the big issue there is the not training. I think saying some one dosent want to be around a certain breed because of ignorance is very wrong to people and it bothers me when other people say that because there are people who research and study certain things and still are afraid of them. There are breeds other then just Pitts that I do not like to have around my yorkie and it's because of my preferences and people tend to have preferences but like you it does not make me ignorant.

Tia from pit bull and paroles on one episode said that the aggression problems with Pit bulls is because of bad breeding and she said not all pits are trainable or able to be rehabilitated

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by chachi

Tia from pit bull and paroles on one episode said that the aggression problems with Pit bulls is because of bad breeding and she said not all pits are trainable or able to be rehabilitated

I think there are some dogs probably in all breeds that can't be rehabilitated and I feel so very bad for them because it's not there faults it's humans faults

[gemy]

We have wandered a bit from the original intent of this thread, which was actually to encourage all to train their Yorkies. And yes I have read studies, not Yorkie specific but always in the top 3 reasons for owner surrender, is behaviour problems.... That encompasses, not housebroken, growling, snarling snapping, biting, non stop barking etc.

And for the most part it is the owners fault, afterall they need to train their dogs, big or small. There is a very very small percentage of dogs,maybe 1 or 2% that somehow were born with their minds wired differently. I know my gal Zoey was one such dog.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Yikes! We did hijack this thread! Sorry, R-Teddy!

[BobbiB]

At risk of being banned, **** this post.

Again, Pits are NO different than any other breed besides perception. I've met A LOT of aggressive small breeds...waaaaaaaay more than Pits. People think I'm being defensive. Damn right I am (the best, best, best dog I ever owned was a Pit) because the judgements and crap stereotypes are no different than what gets small breed owners up in arms. Rumors. Bulls**t. Hearsay. Mistaken identity.

I can feel it now...."oh, that BobbiB gets defensive, blah, blah. It's because I would hope that logical, educated, animal lovers would get it....and they don't.

Don't bother responding...I won't reply. Re-read the post and, if you have a brain, you will see the offensive remarks.

STOP using the breed as an example...you are relly just downing them to those who don't get the comparison.

[BobbiB]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I know! I've read their history many times over since I've been into them. Fascinating story and they served humans well by keeping mills, farms and homesteads rat population reduced and thus helping with plague and other things rodents carry about. It's a darn-good thing Yorkshire Terriers aren't big and powerfully built! With their terrier aggression and any retained killer instinct, they would need someone in control just like all big, powerful dogs do or they might be considered one of the most dangerous breeds to humans and other pets.

But at least we no longer breed them for the killer or more vicious aspect of their temperament and yet it's amazing how terrier-like they remain even today! Speaks volumes about how those still breeding big, powerful bully-types for horrible fighting skills are hurting the breed they love by keeping those particular genes new and continually refreshed!

Stop buying the stereotype....MOST Pit owners are good. APBTs are just so popular right now that the bad stand out. Do your research, please....pits were ORIGINALLY. Known as "nanny dogs" because of their loyalty to humans.

Easily the most misunderstood breed in history. I would be trusted my Child's life with my Pit. She would've died for my firstborn.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by BobbiB

At risk of being banned, **** this post.

Again, Pits are NO different than any other breed besides perception. I've met A LOT of aggressive small breeds...waaaaaaaay more than Pits. People think I'm being defensive. Damn right I am (the best, best, best dog I ever owned was a Pit) because the judgements and crap stereotypes are no different than what gets small breed owners up in arms. Rumors. Bulls**t. Hearsay. Mistaken identity.

I can feel it now...."oh, that BobbiB gets defensive, blah, blah. It's because I would hope that logical, educated, animal lovers would get it....and they don't.

Don't bother responding...I won't reply. Re-read the post and, if you have a brain, you will see the offensive remarks.

STOP using the breed as an example...you are relly just downing them to those who don't get the comparison.

When you responded last time early on before a big discussion of Pitts started you said the same thing and at that time no one bashed Pitts.

[BobbiB]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

When you responded last time early on before a big discussion of Pitts started you said the same thing and at that time no one bashed Pitts.

No...people who aren't breed advocates don't see offense. Those that are DO. And nothing I can say will change others' views....but when multiple people use pits as an "example", that is exactly what they are doing. Giving others to go on. If you don't have one, if you don't go to the events, if you've never been FORCED to give an innocent pit up, then, no, you WON'T see the negative. If you've EVER lived it, you get it.

Have YOU ever had to give up a dog because of popular OPINION? Because I have, and it sucks. And when people use them as an example, it hits a nerve when you've been forced to put down an innocent family member, not because of guilt, but because of perception. These posts, using pits as "comparison" put a breed I love and advocate at risk, even if some don't think so.

[BobbiB]

FYI...I'd bring a Pit into my house with Shelly, and feel waaaaay safer than bringing another small breed. A small breed is more likely to dominate, a Pit brought up with him would love and teach him...from EXPERIENCE, not hearsay...I know this.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by BobbiB

Stop buying the stereotype....MOST Pit owners are good. APBTs are just so popular right now that the bad stand out. Do your research, please....pits were ORIGINALLY. Known as "nanny dogs" because of their loyalty to humans.

Easily the most misunderstood breed in history. I would be trusted my Child's life with my Pit. She would've died for my firstborn.

I think saying most pit owners are good really depends on your location. Most of what our shelters have and most of what people are trying sell or give away here are Pits or pit mixes. The majority of dogs running around off leash here are pits occasionally maybe a lab or two but obviously that's not a good owner to let there dog do that and if they let them run the neighborhood I'm thinking they don't train them much. I also know a lot of irresponsible people who own Pit and Pit mixes and they should not own any kind of dog one thinks it's funny when the puppy chews all over her daughter a 2 year old and let's both her dogs run all over there neighborhood and another wants one simply to say I have a pit so shut up about them yet doesn't train the dog at all. I mentioned in another post we had a neighbor who had there pit grabbing on to a toy that was on a rope and then around a tree branch and when the dog would hold onto the toy the person would pull the rope up until none of the dogs paws were on the ground. There is also the fact that lots of pits are used for fighting so obviously good owners don't do that. Then there are also the people who want a Pitt or a Pitt mix just because of the stereotypes and because people go oh no not a Pitt. In my opinion I think most of the time a pit gets a bad rap from having a bad owner but sometimes there bred for fighting and aggressive. In my opinion people who say after a dog attack oh no I never saw that coming my dog is always so nice and loving are lying unless it was really extremely pushed so again it's the owners fault for putting them in that situation to do that because they had to have shown signs of aggression before.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by BobbiB

Stop buying the stereotype....MOST Pit owners are good. APBTs are just so popular right now that the bad stand out. Do your research, please....pits were ORIGINALLY. Known as "nanny dogs" because of their loyalty to humans.

Easily the most misunderstood breed in history. I would be trusted my Child's life with my Pit. She would've died for my firstborn.

I can't say I don't admire your passion for this special breed because I do. They are wonderful dogs most of the time and only a few of them present problems to others but the problems are ghastly when they do occur. But keeping on denying the harm some of this breed can do to people and their beloved pets moreso than other breed types is not helping improve the breed - it just turns people off. Acknowledging the real problems the breed has and working to somehow stop some of the fighting dog breeders by promoting long jail sentences plus working to encourage owners of the dogs to work hard on training and controlling the dogs and repeatedly contacting our legislators to make laws that require harsher sentences for bad owners who allow their dangerous dogs to hurt innocent people/pets are the only thing that might begin to turn the bad rap they have around.

People like me didn't create this problem and calling us bullies doesn't help the bully-breed's cause, the breeders of pitfighters and very bad owners do. Go spend your wrath on them.

The same thing happened with the Doberman. Years back they were known as dangerous attack dogs but those that loved the breed recognized it was in trouble, began to work to change the temperament of the breed and now they have lost their bad reputation because they don't attack anywhere near as much as they used to do and generally make lovely pets.

And if you ask any policeman, EMT or Animal Control officer and as a lover of the bully-type of dog, I have, they say the dogs who they and their brother officers have to respond to the most emergency calls for from attacks, bites, maimings and killings more than other breed types are the bully breeds, specifically the pitbull - as cops, EMT's and AC officers are not very PC - they just tell you like it is.

The three times I checked with our AC as to what type dogs are most often turned into them or abandoned on our streets, they responded that pitbulls are. Not Yorkies or other small dogs with small-dog syndrome.

Pitbulls are the most cruelly treated breed out there and who treats them this way? Their irresponsible breeders, disgraceful pit-fighters of the breed and far too many of their "loving" owners. I adore the pitbull but I recognize it has a big problem that needs people to work together to fix.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by BobbiB

No...people who aren't breed advocates don't see offense. Those that are DO. And nothing I can say will change others' views....but when multiple people use pits as an "example", that is exactly what they are doing. Giving others to go on. If you don't have one, if you don't go to the events, if you've never been FORCED to give an innocent pit up, then, no, you WON'T see the negative. If you've EVER lived it, you get it.

Have YOU ever had to give up a dog because of popular OPINION? Because I have, and it sucks. And when people use them as an example, it hits a nerve when you've been forced to put down an innocent family member, not because of guilt, but because of perception. These posts, using pits as "comparison" put a breed I love and advocate at risk, even if some don't think so.

Well the person who started the the thread works with a pit rescue and fosters them. I think she was just using it as a comparison for like size and that was just the first larger breed that came to mind.

[BobbiB]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I think saying most pit owners are good really depends on your location. Most of what our shelters have and most of what people are trying sell or give away here are Pits or pit mixes. The majority of dogs running around off leash here are pits occasionally maybe a lab or two but obviously that's not a good owner to let there dog do that and if they let them run the neighborhood I'm thinking they don't train them much. I also know a lot of irresponsible people who own Pit and Pit mixes and they should not own any kind of dog one thinks it's funny when the puppy chews all over her daughter a 2 year old and let's both her dogs run all over there neighborhood and another wants one simply to say I have a pit so shut up about them yet doesn't train the dog at all. I mentioned in another post we had a neighbor who had there pit grabbing on to a toy that was on a rope and then around a tree branch and when the dog would hold onto the toy the person would pull the rope up until none of the dogs paws were on the ground. There is also the fact that lots of pits are used for fighting so obviously good owners don't do that. Then there are also the people who want a Pitt or a Pitt mix just because of the stereotypes and because people go oh no not a Pitt. In my opinion I think most of the time a pit gets a bad rap from having a bad owner but sometimes there bred for fighting and aggressive. In my opinion people who say after a dog attack oh no I never saw that coming my dog is always so nice and loving are lying unless it was really extremely pushed so again it's the owners fault for putting them in that situation to do that because they had to have shown signs of aggression before.

You using "pit mixes" as a reference, (sorry to say because I really do like you) is asinine. Mixed breeds?? Really?? Easily 75% are pit or lab mixes according to shelters. That s**t is laughable, at best, and you know it.

I challenge you to do a google search of "Pit Bull Attacks, mistaken identity" and get back to me. Most of the media bull that is shoved down the publics throat about pits is just that...bull.

Then, look up German Shepherds in the 80s, Rottweillers in the 90s....and tell me, honestly, that there isn't always a breed that society poos on. It's crap. Stereotypical, blame someone for human incompetence crap....

Be thankful that you love a small breed...society loves them, even when they are bites, mean little ****ers. I had to CHANGE. My love because of stereotypes, and that blows monkey nuts, and I have every right to be upset by ignorance.