Yorkshire/biewer mix... Wht do you think

[YorkieRini]

Sue,

Thanks for posting the link..the standard is that..the standard. It clearly defines 3 colors in specific places. One can't assume that's what he wanted just because of the name..you and I have a perfect example of why not..

I went to handling class tonight and ironically enough I talk to a breeder/handler that has a Belgian Teveruens. We got to talking and I learned that in the Herding Group there are 3 breeds of Belgian Shepards are all related to a T. The only difference is basically the color. They all are inter-related LIKE Biewers and Yorkies BUT..and this is a big BUT...they are considered their own breed and each has it's own standard..the only change really is the coloring of the coat. He even said that even though you breed let's say a pair of Belgian Malinois together you on rare occasions may produce one of the other two breeds in a litter..that is frowned upon and incorrect. Those should be s/n and petted out. PERIOD! So, there is no denying where the originated from but they are accepted and respected as individual breed even though the only thing that separates them is COLOR.. This is how I feel about Biewers and Yorkies.

If we dont' make this disinction of the 2 breeds early on..they Biewer will never thrive.

I am only going to take Biewers as far as I can. If I lose this battle..I am not going to continue with them. Until them I will still stay in my corner as you all put it and do what I feel was the intent, because that's all we have to go by is our feelings. Right? I am taken the written words in the standard and teh history as they are. Maybe it's just me but what a waste to breed the 2 together and dilute the standard of each breed.

I have a question, how do those of you that are in the opposing corner going to register your puppies from a mixed litter? Or maybe where do you plan on registering your litter as Biewers? I am curious because the IBC does keep a book to record and prove breedings of true Biewers. It says it plain as day on their website it's a benefit being a member of the IBC.

I am glad they we can discuss this as adults. We both have legit arguments. But the objective to breeding is to better the breed and breed the best specimens as described in the standard. That's what my hang up is.

I consider this a healthy brainstorming session, hope the rest of you do too.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Momofthree

Thanks.......

I am very excited about my future family member... I did do some research on the biewer line and had serveral conversations with owners/breeders of Biewers. I understand about the standards for the Yorkie breed and the Biewer breed. I think both breeds are wonderful.... I am just jumping at what i think is a wonderful opportunity.

Based on every thing i have read... there seems to be some relationship between the two...

Showing and breeding are no where in my future plans for my new little one...In fact spaying will occur.

But, it is interesting to read everyone's point of view.

And don't let this brainstorming session make you feel bad. I guess it's kind of like politics of the dog world..lolol. I hope your baby is healthy even though I don't agree with the breeding. I wish you only the best. Don't forget to post pics in the nursery so we can watch your baby grow

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

One can't assume that's what he wanted just because of the name.

I know you posted this to Sue, but I have a question.
Since the wording regarding the breed standard for the breed he developed written on Mr. Biewer's own stationary and signed by him indicates that he considers this breed Biewer YORKSHIRE al la Pom Pon, why would you assume that he didn't want them considered to be simply that?

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by sylvan

I know you posted this to Sue, but I have a question.
Since the wording regarding the breed standard for the breed he developed written on Mr. Biewer's own stationary and signed by him indicates that he considers this breed Biewer YORKSHIRE al la Pom Pon, why would you assume that he didn't want them considered to be simply that?

Hey! Only Sue can ask me questions..j/k..here's my answer and then some...

The name is Biewer Yorkshire Tierrer Ala Pom Pon. That's the iffy part I guess but what's plain as day is the standard. I focus on what a Biewer is supposed to look like not what it's name is..The 3 shepards I reference above are all Shepards of from the Herding Group. I consider Biewers another breed with the Yorkie name in the Toy group. I honestly believe if we all followed the route of the 3 Shepard breeds we could actually do the Biewer justice and keep it vibrant. Too many money hungry breeders that do not even know the history or the standard breed to their standard color yorkies end up with puppies that favor the Yorkie and call them Biewers..but they charge thousands of dollars. That's why I am so persistant in keeping the separate. Puppyfind.com is a perfect place to see how many are taking advantage the the the name has Yorkie in it..but the standards are opposite as far as color goes. Sorry for the extra 'fat' in the answer..I am just typing as I write.

[chattiesmom]

Ladies!!!!! Thank you so very much. I have read this entire thread, and especially the last several posts.... Rini..... Sylvan.....Snow Yorkies......Julz thank you thank you thank you for the kindness and the mutual respect. My heart is flowing with warmth for all of you (I can't be hormonal, I don't have them anymore, lol)

and a huge thank you to the thread starter Momofthree. This is a great opportunity to show our beloved Yorkie community here at YT that yes, we can and often do reside in different corners of the court and we can have passionate ideas and ideals but we can share those thougths and feelings in a respectful and kind way.

I still don't know enough to take a stand, but I can tell you that the little dudes and dudettes are beautiful -- I wish all of you Biewer owners the best of luck -- maybe one day soon we will see a Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon class at the AKC shows.

[whispersmom2]

Stacy, I have to agree with you. I know all of us will never agree 100% on things, maybe anything, but that is the good that a forum does..Gives us a venue to cuss and discuss and sometimes we will learn from another poster. That will not always happen but still the discussion is beneficial..IMO

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Hey! Only Sue can ask me questions..j/k..here's my answer and then some...

The name is Biewer Yorkshire Tierrer Ala Pom Pon. That's the iffy part I guess but what's plain as day is the standard. I focus on what a Biewer is supposed to look like not what it's name is..The 3 shepards I reference above are all Shepards of from the Herding Group. I consider Biewers another breed with the Yorkie name in the Toy group. I honestly believe if we all followed the route of the 3 Belgian Shepard breeds we could actually do the Biewer justice and keep it vibrant. Too many money hungry breeders that do not even know the history or the standard breed to their standard color yorkies end up with puppies that favor the Yorkie and call them Biewers..but they charge thousands of dollars. That's why I am so persistant in keeping the separate. Puppyfind.com is a perfect place to see how many are taking advantage the the the name has Yorkie in it..but the standards are opposite as far as color goes. Sorry for the extra 'fat' in the answer..I am just typing as I write.

They have somewhat similar names yet same orgin each has a standard that is different from the other..just want to emphasize that.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

Stacy, I have to agree with you. I know all of us will never agree 100% on things, maybe anything, but that is the good that a forum does..Gives us a venue to cuss and discuss and sometimes we will learn from another poster. That will not always happen but still the discussion is beneficial..IMO

Hey Parti Girl! That's right!.. Cuss and Discuss..lolol I think sharing our views is important, but what's more important is how we show respect for eachothers different views.

[YorkieRini]

Originally Posted by Momofthree

Thanks.......

I am very excited about my future family member... I did do some research on the biewer line and had serveral conversations with owners/breeders of Biewers. I understand about the standards for the Yorkie breed and the Biewer breed. I think both breeds are wonderful.... I am just jumping at what i think is a wonderful opportunity.

Based on every thing i have read... there seems to be some relationship between the two...

Showing and breeding are no where in my future plans for my new little one...In fact spaying will occur.

But, it is interesting to read everyone's point of view.

I really want to apologize. I clearly hijacked your thread I'm sorry. I've been trying to keep it positive.
As I page through, I see my name all over YOUR thread..sorry

[Snow Yorkies]

Okay, let me see if this helps or not. Please follow this link to my website. This is my Homer's Page. His mother is a yorkshire and his father is a Biewer, And Homer is a Biewer. There are pictures of both his parents for you to see.

Homer's Heritage

Now, as the show rules goes(please correct me if I am wrong) the dog that has the most accomplishments is Top Dog. Well, unless someone can tell me of another Biewer that has more accomplishments than my Homer, he is the top Biewer Yorkshire Terrier in the US at this time. My point being is he comes from a Yorkshire and a Biewer and is a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier.

Irene we had conversations & you told me that your mentor told you that this breeding is exceptable to bring a Yorkshire female & a Biewer male to breed together to develop a new line. My Homer is the result of this breeding and I have 2 of his sisters as well Harmony who to has Championships behind her as well. Kendra I haven't had long enough to get her in the ring yet. I guess what I am saying here is that you DO NOT have to go back generations to acheive the end result a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier.

I will not agrue that fact that I want them to be known as a breed of their own. I have stressed this on many many posts. But as a variation or type of Yorkshire Terrier as many many variations of other different breeds have been excepted through AKC and other clubs. I believe whispersmom indicated several posts ago. And that you learned tonight at your confirmation class.

Yes, I think we have hi-jacked this post from Momofthree and I to am very sorry for this. I have emailed back and forth with this lovely lady in her quest for the right puppy for her and her family and I admire her for wanting to research the breed so she knows what to expect.

chattiesmom I have no reason to be angry at you or anyone else. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion whether we agree or not... I would hate for this thread to get closed as I feel there is good valuable information on this breed.

[Itspuppyluv]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

(I don't know what the a la Pom Pon means maybe with white? )

A daily bought the husband of the singer Margot Eskens a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier. This dog was presented to her with a baptizing meal in a French restaurant on the tray with a giant Trara by the chief cook. That made from this evening a "Pom Pon celebration". A la Pom Pon is called on French as many as Bommel, balls and Kunterbunt, and so is also its skin. Thus Margot Eskens became the patin for the name "Pom Pon". Their dog became 16 years old.

[ClaudeBisson]

We have been breeding Biewers in Canada for many years and continue to register them with the original German club. We do not mix Biewers with Yorkies, however it can be done sucessfully. If the breeder is reputable and ofers a written health guarantee, then go for it.

[scrapindee]

Very old post.

[bd1976]

the biewer ia a parti color Yorkie

[bd1976]

the German clubs do not stop registration on black and tan and biewer biewer in Germany means black and white yorkie biewer to biewer can lead to interbreeding black and tan must be in for healthy puppy's biewer is not a breed its color