Everyone Please Read: Going Forward, We Must Post With More Respect Toward Others

[ladyjane]

This reminds me of middle school. So childish...this is not a game of who is winning.

Good grief. Hard for me to understand the workings of a mind that obsesses like this. You need to evict the "one" from your brain as she is not paying rent to live there. I think you would be much happier if you did that. I have found over the years that when someone bothers me, it is ME who has the problem....ME who loses valuable time thinking about them while they are going about their day not giving two minutes of their time to worrying about what I am doing.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

My main thoughts about YT are there is lots of room here for nearly any discussion you would like to hold. Stick around, post it up, just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to leave.

[Jkpal]

You made a wonderful point and did so with grace and intelligence. I couldn't agree with you more...Well done.

[jenskwan]

Hi,

I am completely new to YorkieTalk.com and online forums in general. I was shocked at the responses that community members left under the OP in the linked thread:
read and decide for yourselves

I did not come across this stickied thread until after I responded to all the posts in the above thread. It is clear why people stay off of these forums, these types of community members are reducing themselves to a faint percentage of humanity and compassion that we are all born with.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by jenskwan

Hi,

I am completely new to YorkieTalk.com and online forums in general. I was shocked at the responses that community members left under the OP in the linked thread:
read and decide for yourselves

I did not come across this stickied thread until after I responded to all the posts in the above thread. It is clear why people stay off of these forums, these types of community members are reducing themselves to a faint percentage of humanity and compassion that we are all born with.

You are 1000% wrong. This member in the thread you linked was looking for support, compassion, and understanding and that is *exactly* what she received. Just because YOU happen to work for the breeder talked about, does NOT make it a vicious attack by the OP. It's HER side of the story and she is allowed to have it! It seems you think there should only be one side of the story or something, the breeder's. The breeder is welcome to post her side here if she wishes. But beyond that, please stop making this OP feel as if she is not allowed to express her story here at YT.

[matese]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

You are 1000% wrong. This member in the thread you linked was looking for support, compassion, and understanding and that is *exactly* what she received. Just because YOU happen to work for the breeder talked about, does NOT make it a vicious attack by the OP. It's HER side of the story and she is allowed to have it! It seems you think there should only be one side of the story or something, the breeder's. The breeder is welcome to post her side here if she wishes. But beyond that, please stop making this OP feel as if she is not allowed to express her story here at YT.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

You are 1000% wrong. This member in the thread you linked was looking for support, compassion, and understanding and that is *exactly* what she received. Just because YOU happen to work for the breeder talked about, does NOT make it a vicious attack by the OP. It's HER side of the story and she is allowed to have it! It seems you think there should only be one side of the story or something, the breeder's. The breeder is welcome to post her side here if she wishes. But beyond that, please stop making this OP feel as if she is not allowed to express her story here at YT.

[MarkFromSea]

Originally Posted by jenskwan

Hi,

I am completely new to YorkieTalk.com and online forums in general. I was shocked at the responses that community members left under the OP in the linked thread:
read and decide for yourselves

I did not come across this stickied thread until after I responded to all the posts in the above thread. It is clear why people stay off of these forums, these types of community members are reducing themselves to a faint percentage of humanity and compassion that we are all born with.

Why would you be shocked? A website like this is the perfect place for people to discuss their experience with breeders, good and bad. Firebrand Yorkies "appears" to have mistreated a customer. I suspect the customer spent thousands of dollars for a puppy. The puppy died, that's going to happen occasionally so that in itself is not unusual. The breeder, Firebrand Yorkies, did not honor their guarantee and instead laid blame on the customer. Honestly, that's bad business for the breeder no matter how many good pups the breeder has sold in the past. You're only as good as your last pup! If you happen to be the breeder, do the right thing and honor your agreement with your customer. If you only know the breeder in some way, let them know, they need to do the right thing. If Firebrand Yorkies had been an honest retailer, they would have treated their customer with the "humanity and compassion that we are all born with." Obviously, Firebrand Yorkies is "reducing themselves to a faint percentage" of that.

[jenskwan]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

You are 1000% wrong. This member in the thread you linked was looking for support, compassion, and understanding and that is *exactly* what she received. Just because YOU happen to work for the breeder talked about, does NOT make it a vicious attack by the OP. It's HER side of the story and she is allowed to have it! It seems you think there should only be one side of the story or something, the breeder's. The breeder is welcome to post her side here if she wishes. But beyond that, please stop making this OP feel as if she is not allowed to express her story here at YT.

If you read my comment correctly, my reaction is for the responses not the OP. I completely understand offering support, compassion, and comfort at during such a difficult and frustrating time. This is what the OP needs.

What disappoints me is how quickly everyone is to jump to conclusions and defame based on assumptions before hearing both sides of the story. Is that not what civil human beings are supposed to do before casting judgement? Is that not how we proceed in a court of law?

I give as much time as the OP would like to continue to explain her side as all of you should allow the breeder to offer her side. Otherwise, this is not a community built on information and the sharing of such. It is just a community built on bashing others.

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by MarkFromSea

Why would you be shocked? A website like this is the perfect place for people to discuss their experience with breeders, good and bad. Firebrand Yorkies "appears" to have mistreated a customer. I suspect the customer spent thousands of dollars for a puppy. The puppy died, that's going to happen occasionally so that in itself is not unusual. The breeder, Firebrand Yorkies, did not honor their guarantee and instead laid blame on the customer. Honestly, that's bad business for the breeder no matter how many good pups the breeder has sold in the past. You're only as good as your last pup! If you happen to be the breeder, do the right thing and honor your agreement with your customer. If you only know the breeder in some way, let them know, they need to do the right thing. If Firebrand Yorkies had been an honest retailer, they would have treated their customer with the "humanity and compassion that we are all born with." Obviously, Firebrand Yorkies is "reducing themselves to a faint percentage" of that.

[Buster Brown]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

You are 1000% wrong. This member in the thread you linked was looking for support, compassion, and understanding and that is *exactly* what she received. Just because YOU happen to work for the breeder talked about, does NOT make it a vicious attack by the OP. It's HER side of the story and she is allowed to have it! It seems you think there should only be one side of the story or something, the breeder's. The breeder is welcome to post her side here if she wishes. But beyond that, please stop making this OP feel as if she is not allowed to express her story here at YT.

[jenskwan]

What I am trying to say applies to everyone, myself included:

Do not cast judgement until you have heard both sides. Does a judge ask a jury for their verdict before hearing ALL of the witness statements? This is what makes us a civilization.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by jenskwan

What I am trying to say applies to everyone, myself included:

Do not cast judgement until you have heard both sides. Does a judge ask a jury for their verdict before hearing ALL of the witness statements? This is what makes us a civilization.

Jennifer - people here are welcome to post THEIR side of the story regardless of whether or not the other side of the story is also here to tell their side. It's completely unrealistic to do as you suggest - and ask our members that they NOT share their experiences unless ALL parties are present. Please don't make unrealistic suggestions as they don't help anyone or anything here.

I don't see any definition(s) of "civilization" that include judges and jury. I don't view that these things are what make humans civilized.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by jenskwan

If you read my comment correctly, my reaction is for the responses not the OP. I completely understand offering support, compassion, and comfort at during such a difficult and frustrating time. This is what the OP needs.

What disappoints me is how quickly everyone is to jump to conclusions and defame based on assumptions before hearing both sides of the story. Is that not what civil human beings are supposed to do before casting judgement? Is that not how we proceed in a court of law?

I give as much time as the OP would like to continue to explain her side as all of you should allow the breeder to offer her side. Otherwise, this is not a community built on information and the sharing of such. It is just a community built on bashing others.

Is this a "court of law"? I don't believe so, at least last time I checked.

Sharing one's experiences is NOT bashing. It is simply sharing one's experience, end of story.

As far as "allowing" the breeder to come here and share her side - as I've now said ad nauseum - she is MORE THAN WELCOME TO, for petes sake! This forum is open to all - that's why it's called a forum.

[jenskwan]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Jennifer - people here are welcome to post THEIR side of the story regardless of whether or not the other side of the story is also here to tell their side. It's completely unrealistic to do as you suggest - and ask our members that they NOT share their experiences unless ALL parties are present. Please don't make unrealistic suggestions as they don't help anyone or anything here.

I don't see any definition(s) of "civilization" that include judges and jury. I don't view that these things are what make humans civilized.

Is this a "court of law"? I don't believe so, at least last time I checked.

Sharing one's experiences is NOT bashing. It is simply sharing one's experience, end of story.

As far as "allowing" the breeder to come here and share her side - as I've now said ad nauseum - she is MORE THAN WELCOME TO, for petes sake! This forum is open to all - that's why it's called a forum.

I would ask that you please read my words thoroughly before you post a response. I have never suggested that the member not share their story. I am simply asking everyone to play nice. I just want to still believe that we live in a world inhabited by decent human beings. Human beings who should be given the benefit of the doubt and given second chances since everybody makes mistakes.

I’m sorry that I mixed up civility with judges and juries and I don’t think that these forums are a court of law, they were just analogies.

If you are the one who is promoting respect amongst community members I would like to let you know that I have never felt so intimidated by anyone in my life. I have tried to remain neutral and not accuse anyone but every time I open my mouth you have a snide comeback for it. You are using all-caps which in itself appears threatening.

I am sorry for ever starting any conversations here, this environment is just demeaning and I do not need this type of negativity in my life.