My little girl wants to be a mom!

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by GigiRascal

Do you have children? Did you get thorough genetic testing done prior to getting pregnant? Did you research your "lines" along with their father's to insure that there are no genetic defects in the last 12 generations? What about your children? Will you ensure that they go through all the same testing?

Yes, there is a difference, I get that, but this is becoming seriously asinine and totally of course. The OP asked a question that was ignored by most on this thread. All I did was point out that no one answered her nor were they gracious in their posts. Sorry to step on everyone's toes, but I refuse to just watch others be treated poorly.

I guess as the saying goes, "If you don't have anything *NICE* to say, don't say anything at all" does not apply to YT? Such a shame.

Actually, yes, in the first 16 weeks of pregnancy, blood work is done that shows any venereal diseases, blood type (in case of rh negative blood) as well as genetic screening for trisomy 21, and trisomy 18. Ultrasounds are done to watch for normal growth of a baby, as well as any congenital defects that can show up. And most importantly is that the mom has a VOICE. She can say "something's not right". She's also monitored during labor, either by a dr or a midwife, who are constantly listening to heart rates as well as monitoring the contractions and how the infant reacts to them. And again, mom can say "something's not right". Dogs don't have that voice, so a breeder has to be that voice.

Birthing infants is so much easier than birthing puppies. I have personally delivered over 25 babies as a midwife student, in the US and in third world countries, and I can say that even with a language barrier, I would prefer to birth babies instead of puppies.

Get real. There's a vast difference in a 140 pound woman pushing a 7 pound baby out of her body than a 6 pound dog pushing out 4 4 oz puppies....


And in marriage or relationships, there's often a commitment. You know your significant other hasn't strayed, however the STD testing is still done. With a dog, you have no idea where that dogs been, other than the other owners word. And well, people lie. Especially when money is involved.

Best advice for the OP, if she decides to go through with this is a mentor. A good mentor who can teach her what she needs to know, how to properly judge a bitch and a stud, research lines, and what to look for in pregnancy and whelping and beyond. If she refuses that advice, then she will be back here or somewhere else asking for help when her beloved dog has a puppy butt hanging out, with a water sack broke and is drowning in its own fluids and can't go to the vet because she doesn't have the money.

SMH

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by dollydoodle

The OP entered her first post yesterday at 11:51AM & 15 minutes later signed off & never came on again. She didn't even wait for the first response. I think we need to get over it!

totally agree, this happens often and it always causes a riff among members same song, just a different day........

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Patti

In my opinion anyone thinking of breeding should spend a few weeks volunteering at a shelter and see first hand the horrible overpopulation of dogs in this country. Then they can decide if they want to be a part of the problem or the solution. I have had yorkies for 44 years and have seen first hand how the breed is being ruined. There are so many yorkies that are so far off the standard it's difficult to find a bred to standard yorkie, much less one with no health problems.

I could not agree with you more.

[mimimomo]

There seems to be a growing epidemic of people calling some YT members 'cliquey'...just bc some of us think differently & have opposing beliefs doesn't make us 'mean, judgemental, snarky, old timers that alienate new comers' group. Just like some of you who have people behind the scenes PM'ing you & supporting you, wouldn't that also make you all a 'cliquey' group of your own? I've witnessed this b4 here not too long ago, it's like dejavu, it's really sad that this keeps happening!

This is what public forums are about, opinions will come from all kinds of personal experiences & beliefs. Take what you like & leave the rest. Learn what you will & spread the knowledge. I see this going on all the time, some people telling others how things should be done, pointing fingers, being judgemental themselves...I don't see any snarkyness going on here except the person saying there is. If someone is out of line, a Mod or even friends/ other members will step in. Maybe if you all put down your judgemental thinking towards the 'cliquey' members, maybe we'll all get along...or so I like to think & hope.

I also think it's absurd to compare a human's pregnancy to a dog's! We HAVE choices (it's called free will), they DO NOT! WE make the choices for them!

BTW, Gemy is a very respected member here, she's truly a valuable asset to this community, we are so lucky to have her. Maybe you all should spend your time looking through some of Gemy's posts. It's full of impressive info, it'll blow your mind!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

There seems to be a growing epidemic of people calling some YT members 'cliquey'...just bc some of us think differently & have opposing beliefs doesn't make us 'mean, judgemental, snarky, old timers that alienate new comers' group. Just like some of you who have people behind the scenes PM'ing you & supporting you, wouldn't that also make you all a 'cliquey' group of your own? I've witnessed this b4 here not too long ago, it's like dejavu, it's really sad that this keeps happening!

This is what public forums are about, opinions will come from all kinds of personal experiences & beliefs. Take what you like & leave the rest. Learn what you will & spread the knowledge. I see this going on all the time, some people telling others how things should be done, pointing fingers, being judgemental themselves...I don't see any snarkyness going on here except the person saying there is. If someone is out of line, a Mod or even friends/ other members will step in. Maybe if you all put down your judgemental thinking towards the 'cliquey' members, maybe we'll all get along...or so I like to think & hope.

I also think it's absurd to compare a human's pregnancy to a dog's! We HAVE choices (it's called free will), they DO NOT! WE make the choices for them!

BTW, Gemy is a very respected member here, she's truly a valuable asset to this community, we are so lucky to have her. Maybe you all should spend your time looking through some of Gemy's posts. It's full of impressive info, it'll blow your mind!

You said it great!

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

There seems to be a growing epidemic of people calling some YT members 'cliquey'...just bc some of us think differently & have opposing beliefs doesn't make us 'mean, judgemental, snarky, old timers that alienate new comers' group. Just like some of you who have people behind the scenes PM'ing you & supporting you, wouldn't that also make you all a 'cliquey' group of your own? I've witnessed this b4 here not too long ago, it's like dejavu, it's really sad that this keeps happening!

This is what public forums are about, opinions will come from all kinds of personal experiences & beliefs. Take what you like & leave the rest. Learn what you will & spread the knowledge. I see this going on all the time, some people telling others how things should be done, pointing fingers, being judgemental themselves...I don't see any snarkyness going on here except the person saying there is. If someone is out of line, a Mod or even friends/ other members will step in. Maybe if you all put down your judgemental thinking towards the 'cliquey' members, maybe we'll all get along...or so I like to think & hope.

I also think it's absurd to compare a human's pregnancy to a dog's! We HAVE choices (it's called free will), they DO NOT! WE make the choices for them!

BTW, Gemy is a very respected member here, she's truly a valuable asset to this community, we are so lucky to have her. Maybe you all should spend your time looking through some of Gemy's posts. It's full of impressive info, it'll blow your mind!

totally agree, new people and LOL even some old timers should take the time to read more posts, especially of those they are inclined to criticize

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

There seems to be a growing epidemic of people calling some YT members 'cliquey'...just bc some of us think differently & have opposing beliefs doesn't make us 'mean, judgemental, snarky, old timers that alienate new comers' group. Just like some of you who have people behind the scenes PM'ing you & supporting you, wouldn't that also make you all a 'cliquey' group of your own? I've witnessed this b4 here not too long ago, it's like dejavu, it's really sad that this keeps happening!

This is what public forums are about, opinions will come from all kinds of personal experiences & beliefs. Take what you like & leave the rest. Learn what you will & spread the knowledge. I see this going on all the time, some people telling others how things should be done, pointing fingers, being judgemental themselves...I don't see any snarkyness going on here except the person saying there is. If someone is out of line, a Mod or even friends/ other members will step in. Maybe if you all put down your judgemental thinking towards the 'cliquey' members, maybe we'll all get along...or so I like to think & hope.

I also think it's absurd to compare a human's pregnancy to a dog's! We HAVE choices (it's called free will), they DO NOT! WE make the choices for them!

BTW, Gemy is a very respected member here, she's truly a valuable asset to this community, we are so lucky to have her. Maybe you all should spend your time looking through some of Gemy's posts. It's full of impressive info, it'll blow your mind!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

There seems to be a growing epidemic of people calling some YT members 'cliquey'...just bc some of us think differently & have opposing beliefs doesn't make us 'mean, judgemental, snarky, old timers that alienate new comers' group. Just like some of you who have people behind the scenes PM'ing you & supporting you, wouldn't that also make you all a 'cliquey' group of your own? I've witnessed this b4 here not too long ago, it's like dejavu, it's really sad that this keeps happening!

This is what public forums are about, opinions will come from all kinds of personal experiences & beliefs. Take what you like & leave the rest. Learn what you will & spread the knowledge. I see this going on all the time, some people telling others how things should be done, pointing fingers, being judgemental themselves...I don't see any snarkyness going on here except the person saying there is. If someone is out of line, a Mod or even friends/ other members will step in. Maybe if you all put down your judgemental thinking towards the 'cliquey' members, maybe we'll all get along...or so I like to think & hope.

I also think it's absurd to compare a human's pregnancy to a dog's! We HAVE choices (it's called free will), they DO NOT! WE make the choices for them!

BTW, Gemy is a very respected member here, she's truly a valuable asset to this community, we are so lucky to have her. Maybe you all should spend your time looking through some of Gemy's posts. It's full of impressive info, it'll blow your mind!

This is a great post, Jenny.

For me, this particular post gets to the heart of the issue where people think there is 1 side against another side. That kind of thinking is about the most useless, futile, small-minded, tunnel-vision kind of thinking available to us - it gets us absolutely nowhere. If you're reading this and you are one of those people who pit 'sides' against each other, please know that this kind of thinking and posting is hurting the DOG in the end.

There is *nothing* to be gained, ever, by attempting to pit sides/people/cliques against each other.

[GuinnessStout]

Originally Posted by GigiRascal

Do you have children? Did you get thorough genetic testing done prior to getting pregnant? Did you research your "lines" along with their father's to insure that there are no genetic defects in the last 12 generations? What about your children? Will you ensure that they go through all the same testing?

Yes, there is a difference, I get that, but this is becoming seriously asinine and totally of course. The OP asked a question that was ignored by most on this thread. All I did was point out that no one answered her nor were they gracious in their posts. Sorry to step on everyone's toes, but I refuse to just watch others be treated poorly.

I guess as the saying goes, "If you don't have anything *NICE* to say, don't say anything at all" does not apply to YT? Such a shame.

Yes I have a daughter after being told 10 years I could not have kids and yes I had every test they have to make sure she was ok before she was brought into this world... In fact I still owe $4,000 that health insurance did not cover for all those test!! Yea I get it she wants to replace the children she could not have with puppies because I too did that... I had Guinness and already had my deposit down on Stella before I found out I was pregnant.