My little girl wants to be a mom!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

Hmmmm....I dont see anywhere in my posts where I stated a breeder would just "stud out". I stated the OP should contact her girl's breeder and she may know of available studs and how much it would cost. Whether or not the OP is able to get a stud she desires is on her and the stud's owner. Did the OP state her yorkie wasn't genetically healthy or didn't have the proper testing or that she was just sticking two animals together?

I was referring to what you said about your breeder

[GigiRascal]

Do you have children? Did you get thorough genetic testing done prior to getting pregnant? Did you research your "lines" along with their father's to insure that there are no genetic defects in the last 12 generations? What about your children? Will you ensure that they go through all the same testing?

Yes, there is a difference, I get that, but this is becoming seriously asinine and totally of course. The OP asked a question that was ignored by most on this thread. All I did was point out that no one answered her nor were they gracious in their posts. Sorry to step on everyone's toes, but I refuse to just watch others be treated poorly.

I guess as the saying goes, "If you don't have anything *NICE* to say, don't say anything at all" does not apply to YT? Such a shame.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I was referring to what you said about your breeder

Oh....well I think my breeder is GREAT!!! No complaints here. You're entitled to your opinion and me mine. But I got a genetically sound, beautiful within the standard, kicka** yorkie from her and will be purchasing again.. To each their own

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by GigiRascal

Do you have children? Did you get thorough genetic testing done prior to getting pregnant? Did you research your "lines" along with their father's to insure that there are no genetic defects in the last 12 generations? What about your children? Will you ensure that they go through all the same testing?

Yes, there is a difference, I get that, but this is becoming seriously asinine and totally of course. The OP asked a question that was ignored by most on this thread. All I did was point out that no one answered her nor were they gracious in their posts. Sorry to step on everyone's toes, but I refuse to just watch others be treated poorly.

I guess as the saying goes, "If you don't have anything *NICE* to say, don't say anything at all" does not apply to YT? Such a shame.

Pfft! If I let me and my husbands Cuban and Jamaican "lines" come into play we should of never had any kids lol. J/k

[GigiRascal]

Originally Posted by ColesMommy01

Pfft! If I let me and my husbands Cuban and Jamaican "lines" come into play we should of never had any kids lol. J/k

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by GigiRascal

Do you have children? Did you get thorough genetic testing done prior to getting pregnant? Did you research your "lines" along with their father's to insure that there are no genetic defects in the last 12 generations? What about your children? Will you ensure that they go through all the same testing?

Yes, there is a difference, I get that, but this is becoming seriously asinine and totally of course. The OP asked a question that was ignored by most on this thread. All I did was point out that no one answered her nor were they gracious in their posts. Sorry to step on everyone's toes, but I refuse to just watch others be treated poorly.

I guess as the saying goes, "If you don't have anything *NICE* to say, don't say anything at all" does not apply to YT? Such a shame.

If any posts are against the rules a moderator will take care of it and I don't see moderator under your user name. Dogs and humans are different and if you know you have serious medical defects in your family you do get special testing done. The question absolutely can not be answered simply because no reputable breeder will stud to her period. No one was treated poorly.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by GigiRascal

Do you have children? Did you get thorough genetic testing done prior to getting pregnant? Did you research your "lines" along with their father's to insure that there are no genetic defects in the last 12 generations? What about your children? Will you ensure that they go through all the same testing?

Yes, there is a difference, I get that, but this is becoming seriously asinine and totally of course. The OP asked a question that was ignored by most on this thread. All I did was point out that no one answered her nor were they gracious in their posts. Sorry to step on everyone's toes, but I refuse to just watch others be treated poorly.

I guess as the saying goes, "If you don't have anything *NICE* to say, don't say anything at all" does not apply to YT? Such a shame.

Hitler tried to do selective breeding in humans years ago....was frowned upon. Difference???? To say the least......comparing selective breeding in humans to genetic quality controll in pure bred animals, is ludicrous and clearly shows why people that do not understand the goals of breeding programs or the responsibility ethical, accountable breeders have in order to keep the genetic pool of each breed as healthy as humanly possible, should not be involved in breeding........ or even expected to shed accurate, valuable, trusted insight on why it is critical and necessary that soooooooo many dedicated people spend thousands of hours in education and hundreds of thousands of dollars on genetic research in our purebred animals.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by GigiRascal

My point was that not a single person actually answered her questions. She didn't ask if everyone thought she should do it. She asked for specific things: "how to pursue a good stud, reasonable fees, correct protocols and care?".

I also never said that "breeding is fluff". I simply pointed out that if someone truly wanted the questions answered that she asked, she'd get more answers asking vets rather than on a public forum because everyone just jumps in with "don't do it" (as many posted above). I said to "Stick to the "fluff" posts about clothing and potty training." because THOSE are fluff, not breeding.

I've read tons and tons of these posts where someone asks a question about breeding and everyone jumps on them. I didn't say everyone was rude, just that no one is actually going to answer the questions. They never do. She IS doing her research. She came to a place where, it is assumed, that people who *are* knowledgeable about the breed would be able to help point newcomers in the right direction.

We all know that if someone wants to breed their dog, they are going to do it regardless of what anyone says. So wouldn't it be a lot more beneficial for everyone if the "DON'T DO IT" posts were not so judgmental?

Offer the actual answers to the questions. Sure, don't withhold the very real possibility of a bad outcome, just like ANY pregnancy/birth. 24hrs later and not a single person, who would actually know the answers (or an estimate) has given it.

I've been a member here for a while and made it a priority to read as much as I could before posting (everything my "newbie" membership allows). Not jumping in naive to the community or asking things that have been asked a million times, and the very real trend, is that if you want to breed, do not mention it here. Newbies in the field are clearly not wanted. It is assumed that anyone who hasn't been doing it for years is incapable of doing so. "You" claim that the breed standards are ruined and too many in shelters, yet the very real help that could be given to avoid those things is not given. There is a deep line in the sand when it comes to breeding and it's really a shame. People come here for the "community" but there isn't a warm and fuzzy atmosphere. It's very sad.

Once in a while, someone actually listens. People don't post because they assume the person will not listen...they are genuinely trying to help educate a person. Yes, it is true that many will not listen, but that is NO EXCUSE for not letting them know the hazards. That is not being judgemental at all.

Yes, the very real help IS given...people are advising inexperienced people not to breed and to alter their pups. THAT IS THE BEST ADVICE TO GIVE. The yorkie breed is being destroyed...I see it personally all day long. It is tragic.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Sorry to hear it's been so difficult and challenging for you here at YT. I don't know if something happened to you personally or not. But either way, if you truly take a good look around - there is *always* more positive than negative; it's just that when we see/experience something negative it tends to be what stands WAY out in our minds. The positive always outweighs the negative here.

This is a passionate board/forum/community and I think that's one of its strengths - and yes, it can sometimes be a weakness as well. When passion goes off track, it usually turns into anger and that gets us nowhere in sensitive threads, to be sure. We do encourage and allow all points of view, but it is true that there are some subjects on which most of the board is in agreement. One of those subjects is indiscriminate breeding - the majority of members here feel that indiscriminate breeding often results in less-than-standard yorkies, tragedy for the Mom/puppies/owners, dilutes the breed, hurts the breed, overpopulates the breed, and lends to the problem we currently have in shelters and rescues. So, there *are* legitimate and important reasons behind the passion regarding this particular subject.

Anyway, I do genuinely welcome you to YT and hope that you stick around and get to know some of us - there are some incredibly wonderful people here, and I'm sure you fit that description as well .

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

The ONLY question you should be asking yourself prior to breeding your "precious" little female...."Do I want a litter of puppies from this female so desperately I am willing to sacrifice her life to get it." Her life is on the chopping block everytime you choose to breed a female. Unless you have a wonderful example of what a Yorkie is supposed to be, a fine example of the breed standard, unless you are COMPETENT in ALL aspects of breeding and whelping and emergent care of orphaned puppies, unless you will be at the very least, maintaining the breed standard with producing this litter, unlessw you have done the genetic testing of both dam and sire and are confident thru testing each dog is free from genetic diseases that you would be responsible for inflicting on a litter of puppies (plus the massive heartache and expense you will be passing along to eager, unsuspecting, unprepared new owners), unless you are confident in your thorough knowledge of both dog's pedigrees going back at least 12 generations......you don't need to even be considering doing this. Breeding is a crap shoot under all circumstances and should never be entered into without extensive knowledge in order to get it right....that is the very least you can do for the babies produced, the female that has NO voice in the breeding and depends entirely on YOU to keep her and her babies safe, and the people that buy these babies from you.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by GigiRascal

Do you have children? Did you get thorough genetic testing done prior to getting pregnant? Did you research your "lines" along with their father's to insure that there are no genetic defects in the last 12 generations? What about your children? Will you ensure that they go through all the same testing?

Yes, there is a difference, I get that, but this is becoming seriously asinine and totally of course. The OP asked a question that was ignored by most on this thread. All I did was point out that no one answered her nor were they gracious in their posts. Sorry to step on everyone's toes, but I refuse to just watch others be treated poorly.

I guess as the saying goes, "If you don't have anything *NICE* to say, don't say anything at all" does not apply to YT? Such a shame.

Does not seem like you have much nice to say about the YT community. I can understand that you feel people should do things your way, but I believe you mentioned that an online forum is always going to have different opinions. It is a shame that you don't realize that a lot of learning can take place due to those different opinions.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by GigiRascal

Do you have children? Did you get thorough genetic testing done prior to getting pregnant? Did you research your "lines" along with their father's to insure that there are no genetic defects in the last 12 generations? What about your children? Will you ensure that they go through all the same testing?

Yes, there is a difference, I get that, but this is becoming seriously asinine and totally of course. The OP asked a question that was ignored by most on this thread. All I did was point out that no one answered her nor were they gracious in their posts. Sorry to step on everyone's toes, but I refuse to just watch others be treated poorly.

I guess as the saying goes, "If you don't have anything *NICE* to say, don't say anything at all" does not apply to YT? Such a shame.

I've read this entire thread and at no point do I see the OP being "treated poorly". Rather, her post has solicited plenty of helpful opinions, real experience, and pertinent links to what can happen when inexperienced folks try breeding. How is that being treated poorly?

When someone posts here asking questions, it does not mean that only those in support of her actions are allowed to post. ANYONE is welcome to post in relation to the subject matter, which in this case is breeding.

Informative opinions aren't always going to be viewed as "nice" to hear. But that's not the point to a forum or realistic in a real, genuine community. "Nice" is a subjective viewpoint that is different for everyone. Personally, I think it's quite nice that the OP is receiving some pertinent and real-life opinions. That, to me, is not only nice, but way beyond the importance of being nice.

Her girl could *die* from pregnancy. That's important. And it's important for her to know why.

I appreciate your efforts to help the OP and I encourage you to continue to do so. But please allow others the same courtesy that is being extended to you, that's all we ask.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I've read this entire thread and at no point do I see the OP being "treated poorly". Rather, her post has solicited plenty of helpful opinions, real experience, and pertinent links to what can happen when inexperienced folks try breeding. How is that being treated poorly?

When someone posts here asking questions, it does not mean that only those in support of her actions are allowed to post. ANYONE is welcome to post in relation to the subject matter, which in this case is breeding.

Informative opinions aren't always going to be viewed as "nice" to hear. But that's not the point to a forum or realistic in a real, genuine community. "Nice" is a subjective viewpoint that is different for everyone. Personally, I think it's quite nice that the OP is receiving some pertinent and real-life opinions. That, to me, is not only nice, but way beyond the importance of being nice.

Her girl could *die* from pregnancy. That's important. And it's important for her to know why.

I appreciate your efforts to help the OP and I encourage you to continue to do so. But please allow others the same courtesy that is being extended to you, that's all we ask.

thank you Ann

[dollydoodle]

The OP entered her first post yesterday at 11:51AM & 15 minutes later signed off & never came on again. She didn't even wait for the first response. I think we need to get over it!

[Patti]

In my opinion anyone thinking of breeding should spend a few weeks volunteering at a shelter and see first hand the horrible overpopulation of dogs in this country. Then they can decide if they want to be a part of the problem or the solution. I have had yorkies for 44 years and have seen first hand how the breed is being ruined. There are so many yorkies that are so far off the standard it's difficult to find a bred to standard yorkie, much less one with no health problems.