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01-03-2006, 01:12 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Location: brooklyn
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| yorkie war against the the tiny and the large. I understand how it is when you have a large yorkie. I did and my mom took her. She is 9 pound and the family dog. But I then got a 3 1/5 pound yorkie because they are to cute. To be honest I did pay for size.I wanted her to get attention. (now to much) shes a year old and I still get stopped and they call her a puppy.lol anyways now a days it all about smaller things.Anything is cute when its small. I went to a zoo last weekend and saw a miniture owl and I was like omg its so cute. God know they are ugly as hell but because it was small i found it cute. So I guess when you buy a pet your buying what you want and you should not be look down on people because of what size puppy they wanted or the amount of money they spent. if they have it they have it and if they want to spend it they can spend it and if they like tiny dog so what buy it. I hate this whole war against the the tiny and the large. |
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01-03-2006, 01:15 PM | #2 |
Donating YT 14K Club Member | I'll bite! I see nothing wrong with owning tiny yorkies. I think they are absolutely PRECIOUS!!!!! I would LOVE to own one myself. I think the debate comes when it's discussed where these tinies are coming from. Are they coming from tiny breeder bitches or from standard bitches? My Gracie had 4 girls last litter and 3 of them are 4 lbs and under...the smallest being 3 1/2 lbs and Gracie is 5 1/2 lbs.
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01-03-2006, 01:16 PM | #3 |
My Little Princess Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: SUNNY,FLORIDA
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| to tell you the truth i dont think there is a difference between them. i just picked mine out i didnt know she was going to be small.but if she would have been bigger like 8 lbs or more i would have not care shes my baby and shes beautiful i love them big or tiny
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01-03-2006, 01:17 PM | #4 |
Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York
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| I don't think anyone has a problem with OWNING a tiny Yorkie. I have owned 2 tinies so far -- my Katie who sadly passed away (rest in peace Katie, I love you and miss you every day ) and my new dog Tee Tee Mouse. OWNING a tiny isn't wrong -- every dog deserves a loving home. BREEDING a tiny to create more tinies is wrong. BOTH of my tiny Yorkies came from standard size parents -- which in my opinion is safe and acceptable. But intentionally breeding a tiny female and subjecting her to a c-section is wrong IN MY OPINION and I know a lot of people agree with me. I'm glad you're happy with your little girl. I'd love for us to set up a Yorkie play date when the weather gets warmer -- I live in Brooklyn too.
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01-03-2006, 01:22 PM | #5 |
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| I totally agree, It's not that they AREN'T cute, cause God knows there isn't anything much cuter., It is HOW they are getting them smaller and smaller.. and SMALLER.. Its not normal, Not safe, and it's a crime to charge some of the prices that they charging, because they are so little. With that comes a boat load of issues not to mention Health problems for the pups,, because of bad breeding, breeding runt and tinys,, So in turn,, People pay thousands of dollars for the dogs,, that are too tiny and should never be bred, and usually you will pay out thousands of dollars more for their medical bills, medications, etc. But ,,, Yes they are cute
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01-03-2006, 01:26 PM | #6 | |
Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York
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My poor Katie was diagnosed with kidney disease right before she passed away. I spent A LOT of money on several full blood panels, urine samples, fecal samples, x-rays and many other tests which I can't remember the exact name of at the moment. I spent EASILY over $2,500 in 1 month and I would have spent a lot more in the future if Katie was taken from me so soon. Do I regret it? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Katie was my BABY and I would gladly pay all the money in the world if I could turn back time and have her with me again. Did Katie have all these medical problems because she is a tiny? I'm not sure because she was bred from 2 standard size parents but it is very possible. I just think it was my Katie's time to go (she passed away 1 day before my mother -- so I believe that they're together right now).
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01-03-2006, 01:29 PM | #7 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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| I don't see a war what I do see is concern for the tinies in regard to breeding practices some have to obtain them on a regular basis. I too think the tinies are cute, but I don't think any dog regardless of size should be obtained for the purpose of attention. Nor, would I ever consider getting rid of a pet because it no longer suited my eye appeal in regard to size. I will admit I really had thought Ted was going to be smaller than the whopping 10 pounder he turned out to be but I wouldn't give him up for anything in the world. The bigger he gets the more there is to love and the harder I can hug him without feeling like I will break him.
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01-03-2006, 01:33 PM | #8 |
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| Well, I agree with you. I often feel like we have to be apologetic for wanting or owning a smaller Yorkie. Course all is forgiven if you didn't mean to get a small one or you keep hoping that it will grow. I can't believe how many times someone posts their objection to someone "bragging" about the size of their tiny Yorkie. And that always leads to bragging posts about owning a larger "healthy" one. Who cares? If you are happy with your dog you shouldn't care if someone that owns a smaller one is really happy with theirs. |
01-03-2006, 01:34 PM | #9 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Arizona
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| I agree with you that people should not be looked down upon because of wanting a small dog. That is one of the reasons we got Raisin because we fell in love with our friend's yorkie. We also thought she would fit better in our townhouse than a larger dog would. However, as I began more and more research I thought about all the possible health complications of a smaller yorkie - and just as my own preference, I don't want to constantly worry about having such a delicate and fragile pup. I want her to grow up and be able to be rambuctious and adventurous, and I will still worry but maybe not as much as if she stays under 5 lbs. When we were first looking, I was like, I want a tiny they are so cute, but then I realized just how tiny they are even when they are within the standard of 5-7 lbs. So at this point I don't really care how big she gets, I just want her to be healthy. And I do think the debate is not about whether or not you want a small dog, but if you take advantage of that privilege and breed a small dog to ensure even smaller dogs, that is what is not right. |
01-03-2006, 01:36 PM | #10 | |
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01-03-2006, 01:38 PM | #11 |
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| I have to agree with the original poster.... I think there is a definite prejudice against tinies in general. Here's a few reasons why I think this: 1.While there is no real evidence to suggest that they are any more prone to disease than other yorkies, there are lots of people who discourage people from owning them for this reason. 2.There is no evidence that they live shorter lives and yet that is said all the time to discourage against them 3. There is no evidence that they are more shy and/or timid than other yorkies and yet breeders and other "experts" say this as well. 4. There is an inordinant amount of criticism for "people" who want one and they are said to be looking for "an accessory" or just want to dress it up and they care nothing about the dog. 5. The mere existence of tinies is disdainful to some who feel they are not representative of the breed standard even though the breed standard says "under 7 pounds" too many people have "heard" the breed standard is "4 to 7" pounds so they promulgate that concern. For some breeders, anything not within the breed standard is not worth producing. 6. The whole "there is no such thing as a teacup" and the campaign against a word is evidence that there are some who wish they did not exist and that they are harming the breed. 7. There are some who call tinies "the flavor of the month" or refer to them as not really yorkshire terriers because they are so small as they do with any dog not within the breed standard and they blame these dogs and the people who breed them for somehow diluting the breed. I have four yorkies in my family who are under five pounds. Did I buy for size? Yes.., they are service dogs and have to travel easily. Do I like the attention they get? No, it wastes my time frankly when I am on a schedule running errands. Maybe this is why people think those of us with cute dogs are arrogant becasue sometimes I will admit I am rude or I ignore people's oooooos and ahhhhhhs and keep walking. I usually try to at least smile but I usually do not stop unless I have extra time. Are any of them shy and timid? No, same big dog in a little dog's body as most yorkies. Are any of them "sickly"? No, one had coccidia as a puppy but any yorkie puppy can get that. Only one of the three had a low blood sugar incident and it was just one at 11 weeks. One gets carsick and one has a sensitive stomach but that's about it. My tiniest is the healthiest, has never even thrown up and will eat almost anything. She would also take on the rottweiller if I would let her!! None have open fontenelles or any other conditions common to tinies and they have all learned how to stay out from under feet as all yorkies do. They are VERY athletic!! Yes, it is true that not everyone should own one as they require extra care and they are small so they are fragile and can be hurt if not protected. It is similar to always having a baby in the house imo. This is what I tell my family and friends. It is really easier than that but it gets my point across. I don't think it is just that people are opposed to breeding tinies, I think there is an overall prejudice on the part of some against people owning them too.JMHO. Last edited by SoCalyorkiLvr; 01-03-2006 at 01:42 PM. |
01-03-2006, 01:47 PM | #12 |
Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida
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| If I might add my two cents worth here I must tell you that my oldest yorkie at this time is Sara. Now Sara is 6 yrs old and retired and the love of our lives ( along with all the rest LOL ) When Sara was having babies she had litters ( 5 in all ) of any where from 4 to 7 live freely whelped puppies. How lucky was that ? My point here is that Sara weighs on a slim day about 7 1/2 lbs and every one of those babies were less than 4 lbs as adults. The daddy's weights were all in the 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 lb range. Several of her puppies stayed in that terribly tiny range of under 2 to 3 lbs. They were all healthy and lord knows I was never breeding to get tiny ones. I wanted another like Sara ( a champion ) but never got one large enough to show like her. So to answer the question that was raised of "where do the tinies come from"? I would say there must be something in the genes behind that comes out. I guess I will never know about Sara as she never had a female I considered big enough to breed. I think just love whatever you have and there is always going to be things that other people do or say that will annoy us but most of us need to focus on the good and not let annoyance rule our day. Be glad they love Yorkies and want to give it a home and you know most of them will get so attached that the weight issue will go away. JMHO
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01-03-2006, 02:33 PM | #13 |
I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
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| I dont think there is a war. I just think people get concerned about the breeding of tinies. As far as attention I have a 9 lb yorkie and a 6 lb yorkie and they still turn heads.
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01-03-2006, 02:38 PM | #14 |
YT 6000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: CA
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| I will also throw in my 2 cents since I have a tiny one. I WANTED a small yorkie and I knew all of the health concerns as well as the extra care needed. However, I DID NOT want her to be small to get attention. It's actually pretty annoying at how much attention she does get..haha..it makes me late to everything. I just wanted a smaller one, but not as a result of breeding tinies. Coco just happen to be a tiny from standard parents. I wouldn't have cared if she grew to be a mammoth, she'd still be my little girl. It's easier taking her everywhere with mommy, because she is small enough to carry around in her carrier, or stroller with no problems.
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01-03-2006, 02:47 PM | #15 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Illinois
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| Wow!!!!!! So many things that could be said about this. But - My 2cents are as long as these puppies are loved and cared for who cares what there size is. I don't like the fact that there are breeders out there risking lives of yorkies, purposely trying to produce tinies. But on the other hand we don't live in a perfect world. There are puppy mills (ugh!!!), scammers, people who abuse animals. Thank God there are alot more people who care about an animals well being, then there are bad owners and breeders. As long as there more people out there that are doing the right thing, we are winning. We are all winners for having that certain pet we love in our lives, which in return makes us a better person. Kim
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