None of this chest puffing matters. The person breeding the mixes (who you like) isn't a geneticist either. I hope you expended as much energy/effort questioning her credentials & program & the genetics of the dogs she put together as you are exerting here on YT.

Do you really KNOW the pedigree/genetic history of that person's sires/dams? Did you ever really want to know?

When you adopt a "mix" pup from a shelter, you're taking that pup without knowing its history. That's part of the deal. When you BUY a pup deliberately bred to look a certain way, it is incumbent upon YOU to obtain its complete pedigree & history from the "breeder." You have to know the lines going way back of all the breeds used.

You had the opportunity to find out everything. I hope you did.

luvlee actually i do know where my puppy came from i have her record from previous generations

As others have mentioned, puppies will grow at different rates. Your pup if a purebred, will range about 6 or more pounds. My pup was just under that I think. He is just under 4 pounds now and he is about 7 months now.

It doesn't matter the size as long as their healthy.

Well this just proves the saying, Never mind, I don't want to be banned.

But not the long, proven lines going back generations with the same genetic probabilities that you can anticipate with breeding like-to-like due to such variety in size, color, coat types, temperament, ear set, placement of limb, length of neck, back, legs, muzzle, etc., that you can anticipate in same-breed pairings. But when you provide the credible proof of lesser health issues you spoke of, we can all see what you are talking about and change our thinking. If there are sufficient credible studies, peer reviewed, and clearly showing that mixed-breed dogs are healthier then purebred, I'm sure we all are ready to read them and change our minds about which is healthier. And then there is the worry about temperament and what to expect in mixed-breed dogs. Until then, I, for one, have to go with what reputable breeders and current conventional wisdom tell me about purebreds and a carefully planned breeding program based on genetic probabilities over that of mixing breeds however well-planned. I'm open-minded, though, and really do want to know of there is a better way to get healthier toy dogs. I love the Yorkie breed but if I could know with some degree of certainty that a certain mixed breed line is going to fairly reliably produce dogs that are far healthier, I'm interested for sure.

Regarding your post about being a biologist first, above, I said "a geneticist is a biologist who..................."

As a breeder though, I wouldn't care nearly as much about the biologist background as much as the genetics knowledge when I'm studying heredity and variations of genetic development for breeding - I'm interested in someone who can think beyond biology and go into heredity and how it can or cannot vary from the genetics of the lines in play in the current breeding for betterment of the breed.

Only one here who is respectful is yorkietalkjilly and actually is debating...thanks for being respectful and yet passionate in what you believe

Your not being respectful so why in the word would you expect people to be respectful to you?

This statement in itself is downright rude!!!

The disrespect came from you, how do you expect to get respect when you yourself don't give it?!

Well, I'd be quite surprised if the "breeder" actually supplied not only the sire/dam pedigree of the dog you purchased but of the lines of all the animals that have been deliberately put into your dog.

That would be a monumental task.

Another caveat, that just because you mix a supposed hyp0-allergenic dog with another breed that is not hypoallergenic, that the coat will always be of the hypo-allergenic type. I say BALDERDASH to that assumption.

that was one of gemy's statements one that i disagree with...and she had said alot of other things that for one i do not agree with...so i felt it was disrespectful because (unlike yorkietalkjillie who has been talking in respectfulll way) gemy really wasnt respecting my views using terminology such as Balderdash...that is why i said she isnt not a geneticist...I wasnt being rude just stating a fact

balder dash.

Thanks all for proving my point

Are these the same vets that say its ok to breed a 3 pound female and then release the pups at 8 weeks?

And you disagree that mixing a so-called hypo- allergenic dog with another breed won't always result in a so-called hypo-allergenic dog? Well then, shall we ask my neighbor with the labradoodle that crazy?

When you mix 2 breeds, you are not creating a new breed. Just a mutt. It takes at least 3 different mixes to create a new genetic makeup. And then that dog has to be bred with other dogs of the same genetic makeup for it to be called a breed.

I've had mixed breeds who were healthy. I've also had (and currently have) a mixed breed who has an inherited disorder that is very rare in each of the breeds she comes from, but has a higher prevalence when this so called "designer" dog is bred.

I have to agree with others who have said on this thread. You have no desire to learn about proper breeding techniques; only to defend the fact that you either purchased or breed mutts.

If you think vets are not educated then please dont take your animals there when they are in need of medical care

That was really a stupid statement.

Vets know about treating illnesses but very, very little about breeding and genetics. It's not part of their training.

Veterinarians are superior with animal healthcare but in terms of breeding standards and such they don't know more than the average person. Miley was called a teacup ate vet and we all know there is no such thing as a teacup yorkie.

I'm sorry, but I think you missed the point that was stated. You state that you would like to debate these issues but then become offended when you're challenged.

You seem to be attacking the messengers without understanding the point of the messages. That's not a form of debate at all.

I think there's no reason why a person can't buy any pet of their choosing. That's fine. However, it's impossible to make a blanket statement that purchasing a dog deliberately made from 4 separate small breeds (each with their own inherent, potential genetic problems) is somehow better than purchasing a purebred Yorkshire Terrier.

The problem is that your one breeder does not have the bona fides - at least as indicated by her website - to create a "new breed" or better dog. You have not established that you even know the full history of each of the dogs she used to make your dog - you only have the pedigree of your own dog - that's not the historical line of anything.

So, if you want debate, fine, have it. It's Ok to be very passionate too. Most of the people here are very passionate about their views.

But don't just attack the messengers without even attempting to understand the points being made.

That's my 2 cents.

What she stated is a fact whether you like it or not!

Oh no darling you are proving ours :D

Vets are educated in general health care of dogs and things that go with general dog health or there specialty but they are unable to know about every single breed and what is best for them as far as breeding minus the general things so they normally go with what the breed's club says. I have been told by a vet when it comes to what is best by each breed the breeders know best and there club knows best.

:thumbup::thumbup: A very wise vet you have Love to Dream.

General Vets of even just small animals, have a very large range of animals in their practice. Not just dogs, cats, birds, hamsters, et al.

They can not possibly know the breed standard of each one, and know for over 500 breeds what is recommended for testing prior to breeding, nor be able to judge each breed type to standard.

But what they do well and very well is general health testing, and knowing when a health condition should be referred onwards to a specialist.

Also what they can do is advise would be breeders of what all in entailed in breeding, at the minimum through a brochure, and if they should have a pet owner who wants to breed their dog, take a look then at the dog, at what health tests are recommended for this breed, and say why; I think if you want to go forward you need to do the following tests...

Dear goodness, aside from the balderdash:p(love it Miss Gail) there is a lot of great information in this thread...you guys amaze me and I really admire you all, Gail, Jeannie, all of you....where the hell is Phil?

And you proved my thinking of your one of the ones called "They walk among us"

lol!!!

Admiration is a two way street Miss Lynzy, and you have mine. Phil is likely ducking this philosophical? debate, not wanting to waste his time on it. Brick walls and stones will eventually be broken down by rain and water; a human's belief maybe only over time.

And my Balderdash (loveth that word), and gimble, and slithy, and sinuous, words that kind of roll off your tongue so to "speak". Did gye and gimble in the wake; of yatter and chatter.

But balderdash was not directed at OP, I was commenting upon what-ever statements I read which I thought deemed some rebuttal.

And Back to the original issue the term "teacup"
 

I just wanted to give y'all a heads up and say there ARE some AKC breeders out there that use the term "teacup".....I found this breeder Maria Campos's website Home Page on the AKC's website even I was looking for a breeder that had available pups. I'm not trying to join the debate because I understand everyone's viewpoints that have been respectful :D in their correspondance, but I remember someone asking for an AKC breeder that uses the term.

I love this!!

When I was in sixth grade, so many years ago, I had to memorize Jabberwocky. It is amazing how much of it I remember today.

I think the request was for a reputable breeder that uses the term & it's common knowledge around YT there is no such thing!

The site you linked throws up all sorts of red flags for me!

LoL of course Lisa you would recognize those few ole English words.

Let us see, do you think we can get through the six or is it 5 stanzas? Without resort to Google:D

I will start. I hope with the first verse.

Beware the Jabberwock my son,
Beware the Jubjub bird,
And shun the frumious Bandersnatch.