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yorkietalkjilly 07-23-2013 11:09 AM
Truly, like I posted elsewhere, the puppies on the Angel Dog website look just like the puppies in the small dog section of any local Animal Shelter except for far, far less money and sans the impossible and outlandish claims of solving certain health problems and creating permanent puppies.

Lovetodream88 07-23-2013 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4277804)
So this breeder that I named who is AKC, has nothing but AKC dams/sires and by this puppies is not reputable? How so? The breeder is very nice and keeps her home(where she keeps her animals) impeccable! I did not get a puppy from her because I found another breeder Ithat I liked better , but I would recommend her to others that were looking into getting one. This breeder:

1) Asked me many questions about my family life/routine
2) Is AKC
3) Treats her animals like her children
4) Home is SPOTLESS
5) Dams have their own birthing room
6) Traces her dogs pedigrees
7) Does all the recommended genetic testing for this breed
8) Feeds her animals some of the best food available
9)Dogs are very social with no tempermant issues from my interaction with them

What else would she need to do to be considered reputable? As I stated earlier in this thread not EVERYONE who uses the term "teacup" is uneducated, a byb, or out to scam you. The word is based on the context in which you use it. It is not very popular on this forum based on what the breed club says. I don't see anywhere within the club's website/guidelines where the term teapot is accepted either but others use it so freely here without any type of backlash. Yes, I understand negative connotations can come up when using the term but to some who use the term."teacup" and own a Yorkie it is just a cute adjective for them to use like the word "teapot"
The word teacup was invented by puppy mills and bad breeders. This women is also breeding females under 5 pounds and the puppies are listed as products on her website! I noticed no prices where listed so what i she selling these dogs for $2,000 or $3,000. Not a reputable breeder a reputable breeder follows the mother club to a T.

lisaly 07-23-2013 11:26 AM
If you start off on a different foot, Amy, I'm sure you will see what a loving community YT is. We will do anything to help dogs, whether they are purebred Yorkies or not Yorkies at all, and the people who love them. You will see people rush in to help with questions, problems, or anything else, even if it's not dog related at all. YT is a passionate and compassionate group who hurt when we see dogs or people exploited. As in any group of people, we have varied opinions, but that's what makes it interesting , and it also helps us to learn and grow. Even after having dogs all of my life, I still make mistakes with Katie, but I am committed to being the best mom I can be to her, and I continually want to learn. Three years ago, when I lost my little angel at the Rainbow Bridge, Ashley, when she was seventeen, I still remained part of this community. I was attached to the people and the pups here. We are not just names on a computer screen. We really care about each other and are an extended family.

amyazer 07-23-2013 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4278252)
Truly, like I posted elsewhere, the puppies on the Angel Dog website look just like the puppies in the small dog section of any local Animal Shelter except for far, far less money and sans the impossible and outlandish claims of solving certain health problems and creating permanent puppies.
Well that where i bought my puppy from...yorkoftheshire is supposedly supposed to go there so you cant judge until she comes back

Lovetodream88 07-23-2013 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by amyazer (Post 4278264)
Well that where i bought my puppy from...yorkoftheshire is supposedly supposed to go there so you cant judge until she comes back
uhhhh yeah we can just because someone may have a good set up doesn't make them a good breeder. Breeding to better the breed and following the breed club to a T is what makes a good breeder. I am sorry you got taken but at least you will know better in the future. We all make mistakes.

Gillykat 07-23-2013 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by amyazer (Post 4278153)
Purebred-A x Purebred-B = F1 Hybrid Dog

F1 x Purebred-A = F1b Hybrid Dog

F1 x F1 = F2 Hybrid Dog

F1 x F1b = F2b Hybrid Dog

F2 x F2 = F3 Hybrid Dog

A true hybrid would be, say, a wolf crossed with a dog: hybrid = two different species! ie horse + donkey = mule/hinny (depending on who the sire is).

Yorkie + Maltese = Crossbreed (or F1 if you prefer) (aka Morkie to make folks pay more!) ;)

F1 + F1 = MONGREL!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: And as to F2, F3 and F4's......just even MORE mixed-up mongrels :D Lovely dogs in themselves BUT don't give them a fancy name and an even fancier price tag :mad: As I said earlier, there's over 350+ perfectly good pedigree dogs so SURELY there must be the right breed for everyone :confused: There's just no need to continue breeding more for money.....nothing else!

How folks can sleep at night KNOWING they are deliberately breeding all these mongrel puppies - especially if they deliberately go for smaller and smaller sizes - when there are MILLIONS of perfectly healthy mongrels & crossbreeds in shelters all around the world who would love a home. God, give these rescue dogs a silly name if you will but DON'T encourage the breeding of more by going to these greeders who prey on idiots with fat cheque books! :(

amyazer 07-23-2013 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 4278262)
If you start off on a different foot, Amy, I'm sure you will see what a loving community YT is. We will do anything to help dogs, whether they are purebred Yorkies or not Yorkies at all, and the people who love them. You will see people rush in to help with questions, problems, or anything else, even if it's not dog related at all. YT is a passionate and compassionate group who hurt when we see dogs or people exploited. As in any group of people, we have varied opinions, but that's what makes it interesting , and it also helps us to learn and grow. Even after having dogs all of my life, I still make mistakes with Katie, but I am committed to being the best mom I can be to her, and I continually want to learn. Three years ago, when I lost my little angel at the Rainbow Bridge, Ashley, when she was seventeen, I still remained part of this community. I was attached to the people and the pups here. We are not just names on a computer screen. We really care about each other and are an extended family.
Hopefully we can start of on a better foot...i

lauren_f 07-23-2013 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bentleysmommie (Post 4172434)
I do love my dog no matter the size but when you pay over 2k for a teacup and you receive a puppy that's a toy. Im sure your pretty upset!
*facepalm*

lynzy420 07-23-2013 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lauren_f (Post 4278305)
*facepalm*
many, many, many times!

normarae63 07-23-2013 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lauren_f (Post 4278305)
*facepalm*
To be fair to the OP & the subject of your quote, your quote was from 3/27.
A LOT of discussion has taken place since then. :)

lauren_f 07-23-2013 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by normarae63 (Post 4278313)
To be fair to the OP & the subject of your quote, your quote was from 3/27.
A LOT of discussion has taken place since then. :)
Just got up to page 20. Still feel the same way. I've owned two Yorkies both of which I've gotten from rescue groups. BOTH dogs came from puppy mill/backyard breeder situations. Craigslist breaks my heart because of all the mixed breed puppies people are trying to sell for "a $350 rehoming fee". I've been into a few shelters recently and seen nothing but chihuahua mixes, poodle mixes, pug mixes & doxie mixes. I can't believe there are people out there that are selling them as puppies for $1500 each.

normarae63 07-23-2013 01:25 PM
Oh, I know Lauren.

Neither of my two are from a perfect breeder either. Tuffy came from a person who represented themselves as the owner; a broker. Just as we were getting set to get him, I found YT. Bella came from people who show their dogs but luckily for me she ended up "too big to show". :D

ColesMommy01 07-23-2013 01:42 PM
Pricing
 
I find her pricing for the puppies to be quite competitive. Her females start at $1200(pet quality/limited registration) and $1500(show/breeding quality)Males start at $1000. For a puppy that comes with AKC papers and has been raised in an excellent environment I find those prices quite reasonable. She aims to have smaller pups that are healthy but definitely has those projected to be within the 4 lb range and above. The female I saw that she was breeding at the time was within the 5lb range she was just known to give birth to pups on the small side 5lbs or less. I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this topic using the term "teacup" does not put "me off" a breeder as long as I see that they are doing everything else correct.

lauren_f 07-23-2013 01:50 PM
I don't understand what the fascination is with having a super tiny dog. My first Yorkie, Iggy was only 4lbs but he thought he was 100lbs. He never wanted to be carried in a purse or bag. He was very independent and liked going on long walks and hikes. He did not like to be cuddled and dressed up in cute outfits. He whined a TON in the car and was not a great traveler despite his size which is the usual excuse given when someone wants such a small dog.

lynzy420 07-23-2013 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4278348)
I find her pricing for the puppies to be quite competitive. Her females start at $1200(pet quality/limited registration) and $1500(show/breeding quality)Males start at $1000. For a puppy that comes with AKC papers and has been raised in an excellent environment I find those prices quite reasonable. She aims to have smaller pups that are healthy but definitely has those projected to be within the 4 lb range and above. The female I saw that she was breeding at the time was within the 5lb range she was just known to give birth to pups on the small side 5lbs or less. I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this topic using the term "teacup" does not put "me off" a breeder as long as I see that they are doing everything else correct.
What site are you looking at?

yorkietalkjilly 07-23-2013 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4278348)
I find her pricing for the puppies to be quite competitive. Her females start at $1200(pet quality/limited registration) and $1500(show/breeding quality)Males start at $1000. For a puppy that comes with AKC papers and has been raised in an excellent environment I find those prices quite reasonable. She aims to have smaller pups that are healthy but definitely has those projected to be within the 4 lb range and above. The female I saw that she was breeding at the time was within the 5lb range she was just known to give birth to pups on the small side 5lbs or less. I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this topic using the term "teacup" does not put "me off" a breeder as long as I see that they are doing everything else correct.
Are you talking about the Angel Doll website????

Lovetodream88 07-23-2013 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4278348)
I find her pricing for the puppies to be quite competitive. Her females start at $1200(pet quality/limited registration) and $1500(show/breeding quality)Males start at $1000. For a puppy that comes with AKC papers and has been raised in an excellent environment I find those prices quite reasonable. She aims to have smaller pups that are healthy but definitely has those projected to be within the 4 lb range and above. The female I saw that she was breeding at the time was within the 5lb range she was just known to give birth to pups on the small side 5lbs or less. I respectfully agree to disagree with you on this topic using the term "teacup" does not put "me off" a breeder as long as I see that they are doing everything else correct.
First off a good breeder doesn't give breeding rights out easily they have to know you and your program and so on they would never just give them to some one who is willing to pay a little more money because a reputable breeder has worked hard for there lines. Second go ahead a d use the word teacup to an actual reputable breeder or a show breeder and they will think you are uneducated and I have heard many say on the phone they will just hang up on you. Your new so take a look around here there is a lot to learn.

Lovetodream88 07-23-2013 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4278364)
Are you talking about the Angel Doll website????
No she is talking about a site she posted a few pages back trying to say its a reputable breeder who uses the word teacup.

Lovetodream88 07-23-2013 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by amyazer (Post 4278264)
Well that where i bought my puppy from...yorkoftheshire is supposedly supposed to go there so you cant judge until she comes back
We all ready know the breeder is bad but she is going there to see if its just a bad breeder or a puppy mill.

ColesMommy01 07-23-2013 02:11 PM
She has the website Home Page but it didn't really give me any info(I received her info from the AKC's website). I used the info from the website(hers as well as the AKC's) to email her and from there(after several emails regarding her breeding practices she offered for me as well as my family to come to her home anytime I wanted to have a look at where/how the puppies are raised. She lives in a somewhat tourist town and even offered insight to local attractions my family could visit as well as lodging advice if we planned to make more than a day out of it. Many breeders don't list pricing on their websites(at least in my experience of purchasing my english bulldog they don't). I visited her home took a look at her babies(adult dogs),answered her questions and I asked mine. There was no pressure to put a deposit down from this breeder that you should probably receive from your "run of the mill" byb.

ColesMommy01 07-23-2013 02:21 PM
As I stated earlier I RESPECTFULLY agree to disagree with some of your statements. I understand your viewpoint but it is not mine and since we are all adults on this forum I would expect the same from others.:), To call or refer to me as being uneducated because I MAY use a certain word is an insult and a slap in the face to my Bachelor's degree in Nursing which I obtained raising my son while my husband was deployed. I haven't used the term teacup neither have a used the term teapot which is not recognized terminology within the breed club either....but I do recognize an individual's right to call their pet any adjective they see fit. Have a nice day ladies!

lynzy420 07-23-2013 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4278391)
She has the website Home Page but it didn't really give me any info(I received her info from the AKC's website). I used the info from the website(hers as well as the AKC's) to email her and from there(after several emails regarding her breeding practices she offered for me as well as my family to come to her home anytime I wanted to have a look at where/how the puppies are raised. She lives in a somewhat tourist town and even offered insight to local attractions my family could visit as well as lodging advice if we planned to make more than a day out of it. Many breeders don't list pricing on their websites(at least in my experience of purchasing my english bulldog they don't). I visited her home took a look at her babies(adult dogs),answered her questions and I asked mine. There was no pressure to put a deposit down from this breeder that you should probably receive from your "run of the mill" byb.
mistake, never mind. I will check it out.

lynzy420 07-23-2013 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4278403)
As I stated earlier I RESPECTFULLY agree to disagree with some of your statements. I understand your viewpoint but it is not mine and since we are all adults on this forum I would expect the same from others.:), To call or refer to me as being uneducated because I MAY use a certain word is an insult and a slap in the face to my Bachelor's degree in Nursing which I obtained raising my son while my husband was deployed. I haven't used the term teacup neither have a used the term teapot which is not recognized terminology within the breed club either....but I do recognize an individual's right to call their pet any adjective they see fit. Have a nice day ladies!
I don't respect your belief, I would never respect such a belief, I find it unfathomable, I can not for the life of me imagine any human being who has half a heart wanting a puppy for their purse. I can't imagine any breeder purposely breeding like this, this woman is the worst of the worst and I don't care if she served you tea and crumpets and was nice as can be, she is a GREEDER BACKYARD BREEDER, and you my dear, sadly are very very naieve. (spelled wrong and I don't care).

lynzy420 07-23-2013 02:35 PM
Additionally, I got my Bachelors degree when I had 2 kids 9 months apart while both my brothers fought in wars and my husband was an over the road truck driver, I also learned how to spot a Back Yard Breeder, A Greeder, A Puppymill, and a Broker while I worked full time to pay the bills for a dog that I had from a puppymill....pardon me for bragging....I never!

mimimomo 07-23-2013 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4278391)
She has the website Home Page but it didn't really give me any info(I received her info from the AKC's website). I used the info from the website(hers as well as the AKC's) to email her and from there(after several emails regarding her breeding practices she offered for me as well as my family to come to her home anytime I wanted to have a look at where/how the puppies are raised. She lives in a somewhat tourist town and even offered insight to local attractions my family could visit as well as lodging advice if we planned to make more than a day out of it. Many breeders don't list pricing on their websites(at least in my experience of purchasing my english bulldog they don't). I visited her home took a look at her babies(adult dogs),answered her questions and I asked mine. There was no pressure to put a deposit down from this breeder that you should probably receive from your "run of the mill" byb.
I am sorry, but this breeder you are talkin about is NOT a reputable breeder. Her breeding stock are not good representations of the breed & she also breeds off colors. I googled her # & it seems like she advertises on kijiji, ebay classifieds, etc & her prices are ridiculously high. Just bc she has AKC dogs do not mean she is a reputable breeder. Like Taylor mentioned, even puppy mill pups have AKC papers. This person might even be a broker/ re-seller...buyer beware!

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mimimomo 07-23-2013 02:39 PM
Just do a search on YT & you'll find pages of this crap:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...03-7526-a.html

ColesMommy01 07-23-2013 02:40 PM
Your sarcasm and rudeness is very....Maybe it's my southern upbringing. Let me just say any type of rudeness is uncalled for whatever you believe. You are as passionate about your opinions as I am about mine. But nonetheless your opinion is yours and I have my one(many actually)myself. You are entitled to it and I am entitled to mine.

Lovetodream88 07-23-2013 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4278403)
As I stated earlier I RESPECTFULLY agree to disagree with some of your statements. I understand your viewpoint but it is not mine and since we are all adults on this forum I would expect the same from others.:), To call or refer to me as being uneducated because I MAY use a certain word is an insult and a slap in the face to my Bachelor's degree in Nursing which I obtained raising my son while my husband was deployed. I haven't used the term teacup neither have a used the term teapot which is not recognized terminology within the breed club either....but I do recognize an individual's right to call their pet any adjective they see fit. Have a nice day ladies!
Just know that if you follow the rules of the mother club ytca.org you will see this is a breeder doing damage to our breed not helping it or making it better. To use a word made up by puppy mills and back yard breeders knowing no reputable breeder would use this therm is showing that your not educated in Yorkies or byb/ puppy mills.

mimimomo 07-23-2013 02:42 PM
Is she talkin to me?

Lovetodream88 07-23-2013 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4278419)
Is she talkin to me?
No I think Lynzy and maybe even me but I could be wrong.


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