Biewer puppies

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Biewers did not evolve from partis. Especially since they occurred almost 10 years prior

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they the offspring of the traditional yorkie? I'm not sure of the exact genetics..but Mr. Biewer developed them in Germany..color recessive gene? Sorry for my ignorance on all of the exact history..but I thought that's how it went. Biewer breeders out there help me out please? Thanks

[luvlee]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they the offspring of the traditional yorkie? I'm not sure of the exact genetics..but Mr. Biewer developed them in Germany..color recessive gene? Sorry for my ignorance on all of the exact history..but I thought that's how it went. Biewer breeders out there help me out please? Thanks

I'm not a Biewer breeder - but there are questions about how the line was developed. There's yorkie in there for sure. I think some say that the Biewer doesn't have the recessive tricolor gene. It's confusing and the story changes depending on who you talk to.

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by luvlee

I'm not a Biewer breeder - but there are questions about how the line was developed. There's yorkie in there for sure. I think some say that the Biewer doesn't have the recessive tricolor gene. It's confusing and the story changes depending on who you talk to.

It is very confusing! No matter to me...I love them! Jersey my little biewer girl comes home the first week of September....this has been the longest 6wks in history! She is now 9wks old..three more to go!

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Biewers did not evolve from partis. Especially since they occurred almost 10 years prior

Deb, you are correct, Biewers did not evolve from Partis, HOWEVER.. the Biewer did not occurre 10 years prior to the parti.. according to verified documentation found by Deb Mullins, Joan Gordan had a Parti colored yorkie in one of her litters named "Trippy", born on Dec. 10, 1976.. Joan states in a letter written to Deb, that she had heard of other tri colored yorkies born in England, but this is the first one she had personally seen. Other documentation shows that the Nikkos line was producing Tri colored "Parti" yorkies from Nikko's Rolls Royce Ashley since 1984, actually, the same year that Mr. Biewers yorkie line produced the tri colored yorkshire terrier that was later called the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala Pom Pon.

It seems that no matter what side of the POND the yorkies happen to be on.. they produce tri colored dogs if you breed two dogs that carry the recessive genes together. One did not CREATE the other.. they STARTED as Yorkies and YORKIES they remain.

-Diana

[iheartdessert]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

It is very confusing! No matter to me...I love them! Jersey my little biewer girl comes home the first week of September....this has been the longest 6wks in history! She is now 9wks old..three more to go!

Haha I agree this whole debate about Biewers is confusing! My Dany is a Biewer and she's 12 weeks old. Love her to bits!

[concretegurl]

I thought Mrs Biewer announced they got a tricolored yorkie from wind something kennels and this is part of why we know multiple parti lines came from champion tradition lines not just Nikkos...searching for the letter link I was shown.

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

Deb, you are correct, Biewers did not evolve from Partis, HOWEVER.. the Biewer did not occurre 10 years prior to the parti.. according to verified documentation found by Deb Mullins, Joan Gordan had a Parti colored yorkie in one of her litters named "Trippy", born on Dec. 10, 1976.. Joan states in a letter written to Deb, that she had heard of other tri colored yorkies born in England, but this is the first one she had personally seen. Other documentation shows that the Nikkos line was producing Tri colored "Parti" yorkies from Nikko's Rolls Royce Ashley since 1984, actually, the same year that Mr. Biewers yorkie line produced the tri colored yorkshire terrier that was later called the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala Pom Pon.

It seems that no matter what side of the POND the yorkies happen to be on.. they produce tri colored dogs if you breed two dogs that carry the recessive genes together. One did not CREATE the other.. they STARTED as Yorkies and YORKIES they remain.

-Diana

Thank you Diana, that's what I thought.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I thought Mrs Biewer announced they got a tricolored yorkie from wind something kennels and this is part of why we know multiple parti lines came from champion tradition lines not just Nikkos...searching for the letter link I was shown.

The Biewers got some traditionally colored yorkies from the Stremglen kennels, they did not realize they had gotten a dog/dogs with the recessive gene as they are dormant gene and are a hidden and only become visable when mated with another dog with that gene. Eventually, they had a puppy that displayed the tri colored markings.. it did not happen right away. It is confusing..

Diana

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

The Biewers got some traditionally colored yorkies from the Stremglen kennels, they did not realize they had gotten a dog/dogs with the recessive gene as they are dormant gene and are a hidden and only become visable when mated with another dog with that gene. Eventually, they had a puppy that displayed the tri colored markings.. it did not happen right away. It is confusing..

Diana

Stremglen also sold puppies to kennels in the states and the parti lines have been traced to Nikkos lines. I don't belive that StremGlen is the only line of parti (tri colored) yorkies however in the states as there seem to be other lines here, the Biewer line is the only line of the tri colored yorkie in Germany that is really documented to my knowledge.

Diana

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Thank you Diana, that's what I thought.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

The Biewers got some traditionally colored yorkies from the Stremglen kennels, they did not realize they had gotten a dog/dogs with the recessive gene as they are dormant gene and are a hidden and only become visable when mated with another dog with that gene. Eventually, they had a puppy that displayed the tri colored markings.. it did not happen right away. It is confusing..

Diana

Thanks for correcting me! I knew I heard something about it and baby just broke out pc ao I cant look up all my bookmarks...

Is that kennel in Germany from an original Scottish kennel right?


Im really into mini schnauzers too I have a blond (white) mini schnauzer some schnauzer ppl have said yhe parti mega coat mini schnauzers were a cross from biewers bred into them...calling them white yorkies schnauzer mixes...nothing on that is cerified though and the breeders who breed them say its also simply a recessice gene and the nega coat is only due to selective breedibg of a gene mutation...

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Actually, Stremglen kennel was in England..

[bchgirl]

Regardless of people's "opinions"... biewers are now recognized as a breed of their own in many countries. The US is not far before.
The related ancestor in the stream glen dogs adds nothing genetically to the biewers of today.
Much like the Skye terrier background or other dogs involved in the development of the Yorkshire terrier.