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11-29-2005, 06:16 PM | #76 |
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| Oh im sure they do feel it. I have been with many puppies at the vets and you can hear them scream out. |
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11-29-2005, 06:17 PM | #77 |
Donating YT 14K Club Member | Now, if their tails curled up and layed across their backs like a maltese's does, then I'd love to have long tails but they just look like regular tails to me.
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11-29-2005, 06:19 PM | #78 |
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| First off, cute pics, adorable pooch. Secondly, I don't really care to get into the difference between the two either, not because it's too long, but because it's a moral debate nobody wants to be involved in. A body part is a body part, no matter how you look at it, it's getting whacked. The only difference is what's being accomplished by the whacking and the manner in which it is done. And yeah, we are talking about dogs verses humans, what's acceptable for one is not always acceptable for the other. |
11-29-2005, 06:20 PM | #79 | |
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11-29-2005, 06:22 PM | #80 | |
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11-29-2005, 06:27 PM | #81 |
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| OK, so then the issue is not the pain the dogs go through, but what is achieved by putting them through that pain? So if their was a valid reason, rather than for looks, to have tails docked, it would be OK, even if it hurts them. Just want to make it clear... |
11-29-2005, 06:28 PM | #82 | |
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P.S. I would have to disagree on a human being born deaf. My grandmother and grandfather were born deaf. They made a good life for themselves but it was very difficult for then. But that is another story.
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11-29-2005, 06:32 PM | #83 |
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| BamaFan, of course the goal of the procedure must be taken into account. What we are saying is, it is senseless to go through the pain of docking because of an cosmetic ideal. It is worth going through a surgical spay/neuter in order to extend life, give better quality of life, and prevent unwanted puppies that would contribute to dog overpopulation. The benefits of spay/neuter are HUGE. I have found no evidence of benefits for tail docking. This is apples and oranges all over the place...... Oh---Living dust mops---I PMd you. |
11-29-2005, 06:40 PM | #84 |
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| I am not trying to argue with you when it comes to the overpopulation problem or the fact that spay/neuter is the way to control it, I totally agree, don't get me wrong. I personally think Yorkies are gorgeous with or without the tails...who could argue with that. However, if you are trying to prevent "unwanted" dogs, and a docked tail is still standard...right or wrong as it may be...and people want a dog that meets standards...would leaving the tail therefor make the puppy less desireable? (By many, not all...not condoning or condeming, just creating a theory...) Anyway...this is getting old...I don't disagree with the fact that it hurts for no reason. I was actually going to pay the extra to have our pups' tails numbed, but I did not end up making the trip with them...that was my co-breeder/father |
11-29-2005, 06:51 PM | #86 |
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| TXshopper...same here, both accounts...good night to all. |
11-29-2005, 06:54 PM | #87 |
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| When I had my pups tails docked....they screamed.....I'm really serious.....they screamed and cried ALL night long and into the next day....I had to bring them to the vet the next day for some meds stuff on their tails and my vet said that it is not uncommon for a reaction like that and they are thinking about not doing the tail docking anymore. The techs and the vets all agreed that it is a really painful thing to go through to accomplish just a look....I definitely won't do it again...(JMO) |
11-29-2005, 07:05 PM | #88 |
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| A correct tailset would have a full tail hang over the back NOT CURL like a Maltese or Shih Tzu. All 6 of my Biewers have full tails that gracefully hang over the back. I tried to attached a few pics but they were too large. This one worked. This is my Haromny at 12 wks. You can see how her tail hangs over her back. She was playing and swishing it when I took the picture but you get the idea. I agree that Yorkies look better with tails docked. But then I've seen them docked too short which does not look nice. I prefer a longer docked tail on my Yorkies. |
11-29-2005, 07:13 PM | #89 |
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| So, is the point of this thread is to make people aware. Try to make people not dock tails, or change people minds. If this thread was to gather opinions about docking, and share your...then point taken.
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11-29-2005, 07:15 PM | #90 |
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| This is obviously a very tough and touchy subject and with all rights to be. The docking of any dogs tail/ears etc all have their 'historical' reasoning. Meaning, although most of the dogs who undergo these procedures don't typically do the tasks which they were originally bred to do in the past and therefore physically don't need the surgery but since the 'standard' does call for such physical alterations many/most breeders/owners have the docking done. The decision to dock ones pups tail can fall under several reasonings. One of which is that IMO the majority of buyers who are looking for yorkie pups/adults will be looking for the standard and will probably be 'turned off' by the natural tail, simply bc they know nothing more than the picturesque photos of what the breed is proclaimed as 'standard'. IMO those breeders who dock their pups tails for this reason, are not wrong, inhumane or cruel. Another reasoning is bc some breeders show their dogs and breed soley with the intent of selling show worthy animals and know that in order to be successful and even to compete, their dogs must reach the standard. (even though the standards are being changed elsewhere the standard here in the us is still currently the same.. please correct me if I am wrong.. I'm not here to start any fights or point fingers ) As far as whether or not the pups feel pain when the docking takes place.. the answer is made clear when their tails are snipped and when their dew claws are wrenched out. Defying the fact that they feel pain is sheer insanity. If the dog were not in pain it would not writhe, scream and struggle against the aching. The example was made about an infants ears being pierced, of course it hurts them and often times I feel confused when I see a young infant with holes in her ears bc the risks of infections in such a young and helpless child with such low imunities doesn't seem to be worth their ear rings attractive appearance. But just like the young child with the pierced ears the pups don't appear remember this occurance later in life. If there has been a study done to prove otherwise, such as a life long monitering of the behavioral and emotional differences between a pup with a docked tail and another with tail still remaining, then I'm sure everyone on YT would be very interested in seeing it. I myself don't know whether (if I am lucky enough to one day breed) I will dock my pups tails or not. In conclusion, I truly believe that that decision will be left up to each breeder no matter what their reasoning is until the AKC decides to change the standard and make docking illegal.
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