Tail Docking

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Suz,

You raise a good point. Since I am someone if I was looking would want one with a tail I think I would have to establish a relationship with the breeder first. Then I think the only fair thing would be to either pay for the unborn puppy upfront (non refundable) or a hugh deposit that was non-refundable. My only choice would be female or male upfront because who could decide when they are only a few days old. Obviously the breeder could be taking a chance because in a court of law I am not sure if the non refundable would stand, that is why at a minimum a relationship (trust) with the breeder is important. In my case this would only be a pet and hopefully the breeder would understand my commitment to Yorkie's.

This is going to be a tough time for breeders as the controvery grows.

Now this is a good idea.

[livingdustmops]

I wish they had spell check on this site. I always feel like an idiot with a mis-spelled word.

CONTROVERSY

[chachi]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I wish they had spell check on this site. I always feel like an idiot with a mis-spelled word.

CONTROVERSY

Ha ha I find myself wishing there was spell check too!

[FirstYorkie]

Cindy - I didn't even notice the mis-spelling. I read it as "controversy".

Yep, spell check would be a good thing.

[Dogs4Me]

Originally Posted by YorkyKids

If anyone does not like the Yorkshire Terrier as it is currently bred according to the breed standard.....then why not purchase another breed. NO ONE is forcing anyone to accept tail docking.

Gosh, what's so wrong with getting a Yorkie with an undocked tail? Especially if the pup isn't for show or breeding purposes.

Many of our yorkies are too big, have muzzles that are too long, have ears set too far apart, they aren't the exact required color, don't have black claws, still have dewclaws on their hindlegs, etc, etc. In other words, they don't meet the breed standard one way or the other. But they are our PETS and we love them.

If we love Yorkies and aren't comfortable with tail-docking, why must we get a different breed?

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by ttreatsyorkies

I just had my pups tails docked yesterday. It was horrible for them and me. Yes it is less painful for them to have it done at a few days than it is when they are older; just as it is with a baby boy getting circumsized. But unlike puppies they numb a babies area of cut. I have heard many use the clamp and twist method, I have never seen it done so as to whether it is a less painful procedure I do not know; but when I have future litters I will choose to use the mehod because it is a bloodless method. We need to remember that standards don't make it right. Times change and so do standards. Tail docking has been done for hundreds of years, it will take a long time to change. There are many things that at one time were exceptable because it was standard, and in todays society they are considered barbaric. We just need to do what is best for the Breed, and follow what the standards are for that breed. If one is wanting a pup with an undocked tail, than they need to research breeders that are willing to forgo this procedure. I think that it should not matter to the breeder if the tail is docked, if they are not going to keep the pup for show purposes or for personal reasons. I for one would have no problems with not docking a tail if the buyer requests, of course I would also want the pup paid for in advance because an undocked pup is not as desirable as a docked pup. This thread brings up extrememly relevant things to consider when it comes to reasons. Everyone on here is trying to raise their pups as they feel is fit, no one breeder or person is better than another. Judging each other wont change the way things are done only educating, patience, and time will.

EXCELLECT POST!!

[YorkieRini]

I have both docked and full tails at my house. Just because of the pain, I would be for leaving tails long. Here's the feedback I received when I interviewed my gang..lol :

Docked:
Pros: Easier to keep the bottom clean
Breed standard
Cons:Not able to catch tail when chasing
Not numbed before removal

Undocked:
Pros: You can beat others in the face and get away with it
because your 'just wagging'.
You can catch the tail you are chasing.
Operates as a fan for others.
Cons: Catches dingle berries which calls for a butt wash
without warning.
Sometimes looks as thought it's not apart of you if
not groomed properly.
Others can grab it to catch you while playing chase.
Can get caught in the door or stepped on.

So there you have it from both sides. lololol..

Seriously, I had a request to keep a puppy with a full tail. The pup was half paid for at 2 days old. This was someone that I was talking to for a while. I don't mind doing it if someone requests it. If they back out. I can keep the amout that was non-refundable. There are many others that would love a Yorkie with a full tail so I really dont hesitate. Unless I want to keeps something back.

Hugs,
Irene

[YorkieRose]

I pay no attention to spelling at all...please do not tell me we have English teachers on YT..!! lol

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Dogs4Me

Gosh, what's so wrong with getting a Yorkie with an undocked tail? Especially if the pup isn't for show or breeding purposes.

Many of our yorkies are too big, have muzzles that are too long, have ears set too far apart, they aren't the exact required color, don't have black claws, still have dewclaws on their hindlegs, etc, etc. In other words, they don't meet the breed standard one way or the other. But they are our PETS and we love them.

If we love Yorkies and aren't comfortable with tail-docking, why must we get a different breed?

I dont think anyone has a problem with getting a dog with an undocked tail. Some people on here have said they would prefer an undocked tail. I think it is just hard to find a breeder who hasnt already docked the tails or one that will take the chance and not dock it. Once the puppies tail hasnt been docked it is worth less money and the breeder takes a chance not docking it for someone.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by chachi

I dont think anyone has a problem with getting a dog with an undocked tail. Some people on here have said they would prefer an undocked tail. I think it is just hard to find a breeder who hasnt already docked the tails or one that will take the chance and not dock it. Once the puppies tail hasnt been docked it is worth less money and the breeder takes a chance not docking it for someone.

my thoughts exactly.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by chachi

Once the puppies tail hasnt been docked it is worth less money

Is this true or is it the breeder has now limited the number of customers who would buy a dog with a tail? I think alot of buyers would be more comfortable with having their puppy look like the majority of Yorkie's. Change takes time.

Just wondering

[alisonJ]

Originally Posted by PlatinumYorkies

So, since you believe it is cosmetic, you will be out there protesting also...I think if you feel strongly about this and have a lot of answers, you should do something about it.

well, there is probably something I can do. I will be making a generous donation to the anti-docking alliance in my name. Hey, Platinum, I'll put your name on it too!

Check this out.....

http://anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/

The anti-docking contingent is BIG in Europe and Australia, and it is making its way here, so be prepared. It might take a decade or so, but I believe we will be seeing a lot fewer docked tails, just as we are already seeing fewer clipped ears now.
The Brits are perhaps the greatest dog lovers in the world, and when I read the following, I am impressed: The Council of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, at its meeting today, 12th November 1992, resolved:The RCVS considers docking of dogs' tails to be an unjustified mutilation and unethical unless done for therapeutic or acceptable prophylactic reasons.Therapeutic docking to treat tail injury
or disease is acceptable in the interests of the animal.

[PlatinumYorkies]

Originally Posted by alisonJ

well, there is probably something I can do. I will be making a generous donation to the anti-docking alliance in my name. Hey, Platinum, I'll put your name on it too!

Check this out.....

http://anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/

The anti-docking contingent is BIG in Europe and Australia, and it is making its way here, so be prepared. It might take a decade or so, but I believe we will be seeing a lot fewer docked tails, just as we are already seeing fewer clipped ears now.
The Brits are perhaps the greatest dog lovers in the world, and when I read the following, I am impressed: The Council of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, at its meeting today, 12th November 1992, resolved:The RCVS considers docking of dogs' tails to be an unjustified mutilation and unethical unless done for therapeutic or acceptable prophylactic reasons.Therapeutic docking to treat tail injury
or disease is acceptable in the interests of the animal.

Thank's but no thank's. This is your fight and cause so make it in your name alone, please don't add my name to your donation!

[BamaFan121s]

I cringe to think I may live to see the day when it is illegal to have a dog's tail docked, but still legal to have earrings shot through a poor little babie's head...

[Julz]

I have hesitated on posting on this thread for a couple of days. I honestly dread tail docking day. I dread thinking of this day even when my female isn't pregnant. I prefer the docked look though I have nothing against the long tails. The people who purchase puppies expect a docked tail. The dew claws get removed at the same time and sometimes bleed also. The end result is all (or most) of the happy-go-lucky, energetic, crazy, sweet, loving, heart stealing Yorkie babies everyone on YT loves talking and hearing about. I will continue to dock tails as long as the standard calls for it. Breeding isn't for everyone and it isn't easy. This is a choice that each individual breeder has to make on their own and is only one of the many decisions that will have to be made.