Has anyone figured out why?

[capt_noonie]

It's ok, I double agree!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

The thing that always make me roll my eyes: Someone asks for advice, and, of course, others do just that. Then someone pops up and call the first responders "judgmental," only because they really don't agree with the advice that has been given.

The ironic thing, though, is in order for them them to determine that the previous posters are judgmental, it requires them to pass judgment themselves!

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Call me judgmental and I''ll wear it proudly. If you ask me for advice, you are asking me what the right thing is to do. Very simple. After that, if you accuse me of being judgmental, then you are only saying that my opinion is only valid if my opinion agrees with yours. So if agree with you, I can voice my opinion, if I disagree with you, I should shut my mouth.

Accusing someone of being judgmental is only a way of trying to silence someone of voicing their opinion, while in turn being judgmental yourself!

I really agree with you. It is a forum full of all different kinds of opinions and advice and there is room for more than just one kind and thats what they dont see and wont see because they think their kind of advice is superior and it just comes out so clearly in their posts

[gemy]

I have found that if I view a request for advice as someone merely asking me; What would you do if this or that? Then I can share what I would do, and keep to the forefront of my mind, that their decision is just that their's and doesn't need to match or be exactly what I would do.

[caw]

Originally Posted by gemy

I have found that if I view a request for advice as someone merely asking me; What would you do if this or that? Then I can share what I would do, and keep to the forefront of my mind, that their decision is just that their's and doesn't need to match or be exactly what I would do.

Exactly!!!.....Well put

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

The thing that always make me roll my eyes: Someone asks for advice, and, of course, others do just that. Then someone pops up and call the first responders "judgmental," only because they really don't agree with the advice that has been given.

The ironic thing, though, is in order for them them to determine that the previous posters are judgmental, it requires them to pass judgment themselves!

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Call me judgmental and I''ll wear it proudly. If you ask me for advice, you are asking me what the right thing is to do. Very simple. After that, if you accuse me of being judgmental, then you are only saying that my opinion is only valid if my opinion agrees with yours. So if agree with you, I can voice my opinion, if I disagree with you, I should shut my mouth.

Accusing someone of being judgmental is only a way of trying to silence someone of voicing their opinion, while in turn being judgmental yourself!

Lol, this should be a sticky!

[FoxxysMom]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I ask for advice and do the opposite of the advice sometimes-I just want perspective from another angle.

However when someone asks for advice and then proceeds with stupidity...don't offer advice to them anymore you are wasting your words, time, and brain power in the thought process.

Why did she want to breed a black schnauzer to a white schnauzer only in the mini's do you get whites frm blacks and that's from tradition line breeding crossing back to black is asinine, as I've been told.
Whites are black without pigment...

I have no idea. She said she heard if she wants white puppies she should breed her with black. And as sweet as the black one is. He is not the best I've seen in black. So she hasn't done any research or even training. No sit, come, no nothing. And the male dog is nippy to her kids. I just know this would be a disaster but I'm the bad one for having my dogs fixed. I don't know. I never try to make anyone do what I say but when Im almost in tears explaining what all could go wrong...... I would think that would make a person at least say I will research myself and decide rather that I can make good money. So sad.
And I'm not heartless. I felt awful putting Choppa through his neutering surgery bit that is best for him.

[FoxxysMom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Lol, this should be a sticky!

And I agree with this. When asked, I only answer on what I know for sure or have researched then take the time to tell then how to find what I read. I have asked for advice and gotten answers I didn't care for before and I've also had people talk to me in a condescending tone telling what I need to be doing so I always speak about what I read then how I would handle. I guess what prompted my post was knowing that she is going to find a way to breed her then I will be the one she calls if something goes wrong.
She is my sister in law and I love her but she makes her own decisions therefore my heart is with her dogs who only have the voice of someone with their best interest at heart.

[FoxxysMom]

Originally Posted by gemy

I have found that if I view a request for advice as someone merely asking me; What would you do if this or that? Then I can share what I would do, and keep to the forefront of my mind, that their decision is just that their's and doesn't need to match or be exactly what I would do.

Exactly

[bWY39]

The way I view it is like this:

Advice comes in many forms.
That which is asked for.
That which is forced upon a recipient
That which is offered with good intentions
and more

I would define advice as :

Guidance or recommendations concerning prudent future action, typically given by someone regarded as knowledgeable or authoritative.

Opinions are slightly different and are like a fundamental orifice, we all have one.

Often given without being requested
Not always given from knowledge
Not always welcome

I would define Opinion as follows :

A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

Just because advice or an opinion is asked for does not take away the receivers right to reject it if they wish to do so.

I recently paid a lawyer/solicitor for advice and did not like the advice given. The advice was not to fight a case in court as I would lose and pay for court costs as well.

I went to court and won and received all my expenses along with other awards.

The part which upsets many people is how the advice or opinion is rejected but we should always remember what is offered may be rejected that is the right of the receiver.

[FoxxysMom]

Originally Posted by bWY39

The way I view it is like this:

Advice comes in many forms.
That which is asked for.
That which is forced upon a recipient
That which is offered with good intentions
and more

I would define advice as :

Guidance or recommendations concerning prudent future action, typically given by someone regarded as knowledgeable or authoritative.

Opinions are slightly different and are like a fundamental orifice, we all have one.

Often given without being requested
Not always given from knowledge
Not always welcome

I would define Opinion as follows :

A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

Just because advice or an opinion is asked for does not take away the receivers right to reject it if they wish to do so.

I recently paid a lawyer/solicitor for advice and did not like the advice given. The advice was not to fight a case in court as I would lose and pay for court costs as well.

I went to court and won and received all my expenses along with other awards.

The part which upsets many people is how the advice or opinion is rejected but we should always remember what is offered may be rejected that is the right of the receiver.

Very well put. I would never force an opinion or advice simply because I don't like when that happens to me. But the thing that got me was since she sought me out, I thought she didnt have the information she asked for so I told her plus offered refernces. I'm not mad or upset that she didnt take my advice because I still have so much to learn. I'm only saddened that I can see what's coming for the love of money. You explained advice and opinion so well I need to print it for the office. LOL. I've never seen it written so well.

[bWY39]

Originally Posted by FoxxysMom

Very well put. I would never force an opinion or advice simply because I don't like when that happens to me. But the thing that got me was since she sought me out, I thought she didnt have the information she asked for so I told her plus offered refernces. I'm not mad or upset that she didnt take my advice because I still have so much to learn. I'm only saddened that I can see what's coming for the love of money. You explained advice and opinion so well I need to print it for the office. LOL. I've never seen it written so well.

Thank you for your kind words.

Money is a terrible thing at times. I have seen animals in appalling conditions and have also seen human beings suffer all for the love of money.

I understand your concern about your friend but I would think your main concern is the welfare of the dogs,this is truly commendable and I feel sure if you believe the dogs are suffering you would do the right thing anyway.

Always remember just because you take the horse to the water trough does not mean it is going to drink.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by FoxxysMom

So she hasn't done any research or even training. No sit, come, no nothing. And the male dog is nippy to her kids.

No training

I did ask admin. to erase my post I misquoted but whatever it wasn't the point.

The nippy has to be stopped often minis (some lines) naturally exhibit a nippy and herding issue to an extreme. It seems to be consistent with their want to perimeter guard. Nevertheless nippy at children will never work out it's purely the owners lack of training and effort.

Miniatures schnauzers are easily trained, they excel quickly and want expansion, often preferring sequence training themselves.

Miniature Schnauzers (the only way it can be white is if it's a miniature) are extremely even tempered, stubborn at times but very good with families...highly intelligent, however when left to their own devices they can become very destructive and exhibit a number of behavior issues also they can become depressed easily compared to other breeds.

Miniature schnauzers were working dogs and by all means the breeding very more selective of their personality characteristics & health rather than their look hence the variations of color and coat texture still being prevent.

She'll figure out very quickly that an untrained mini schnauzer isn't going to work out...hope he finds a good forever home.

When inexperienced breeders take over we're really seeing the beginning of the ruining of the breed.

Whites are also very high maintenance, miniature schnauzers if properly cared for are high maintenance dog also.

I'm heartbroken here schnauzers make the best family dogs when provided for properly and when they come from good breeding...

[FoxxysMom]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

No training

I did ask admin. to erase my post I misquoted but whatever it wasn't the point.

The nippy has to be stopped often minis (some lines) naturally exhibit a nippy and herding issue to an extreme. It seems to be consistent with their want to perimeter guard. Nevertheless nippy at children will never work out it's purely the owners lack of training and effort.

Miniatures schnauzers are easily trained, they excel quickly and want expansion, often preferring sequence training themselves.

Miniature Schnauzers (the only way it can be white is if it's a miniature) are extremely even tempered, stubborn at times but very good with families...highly intelligent, however when left to their own devices they can become very destructive and exhibit a number of behavior issues also they can become depressed easily compared to other breeds.

Miniature schnauzers were working dogs and by all means the breeding very more selective of their personality characteristics & health rather than their look hence the variations of color and coat texture still being prevent.

She'll figure out very quickly that an untrained mini schnauzer isn't going to work out...hope he finds a good forever home.

When inexperienced breeders take over we're really seeing the beginning of the ruining of the breed.

Whites are also very high maintenance, miniature schnauzers if properly cared for are high maintenance dog also.

I'm heartbroken here schnauzers make the best family dogs when provided for properly and when they come from good breeding...

Don't worry about the misquote, your info is awesome. I never researched them but love gaining knowledge so thank you. Yes her white one is gorgeous... Too bad she is hardly groomed. I understand where you are coming from with your post, its a kind of frustration because we want so badly to help. It's the black male that is nippy but mainly to her youngest daughter. Makes you wonder about how well socialized a litter would be from her. Perish the thought.

[FoxxysMom]

My purpose for posting this is because unless you love animals, you won't understand and I only have 2 friends that have dogs that care for them like family. So I posted her for feedback from people that feel the way I do about fur family and just a helplessness at watching a trainwreck and can't do anything about it. Thanks everyone. I really appreciate you.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Yes, and if you kind of write out what you would do about a behavior or training problem, they often seem to really get offended by the obvious steps you have posted and post what a good trainer they are and what long experience they have(none of which was in the original post) and seem to forget the original post which was a problem you thought they needed help with. Still, this is a public forum and maybe someone else can use the info - never can tell.