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Old 08-29-2011, 11:02 AM   #1
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Question Questions about parvo contamination, protection against, etc.

You might have seen my thread that my sister's pup had to be PTS due to parvo. She lives at my parent's house which is Princess's favorite destination ever. My mom also has 3 other dogs. Two of hers & Princess are UTD on all shots, Taz is getting them done today but he has had puppy & boosters I believe.

My questions are: My vet said they recommend you avoid the area for three years as it could harbor the virus. My mom's vet said six months. Either way, what about the dogs living there or the fact that Princess has been there & would love to return in the future? The vet said the vaccine is not a guarantee any dog can't get it & said since Princess was spayed (Feb.) & sick (June) she's considered compromised. Hopefully her immunity will strengthen in time, but should we really stay away for 3 years? Plus what about what could be on my shoes that's been brought home & the dogs still living in the house? Is there anything that can be done there to reduce exposure to them?

Sorry for so many questions, thought I'd try to get some insight from the pro's at YT while I do my own research & wait to ask the vet more when we go in on Friday.

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My questions are: My vet said they recommend you avoid the area for three years as it could harbor the virus. My mom's vet said six months. Either way, what about the dogs living there or the fact that Princess has been there & would love to return in the future? The vet said the vaccine is not a guarantee any dog can't get it & said since Princess was spayed (Feb.) & sick (June) she's considered compromised. Hopefully her immunity will strengthen in time, but should we really stay away for 3 years? Plus what about what could be on my shoes that's been brought home & the dogs still living in the house? Is there anything that can be done there to reduce exposure to them?

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bleach will kill parvovirus on your walls, floors, etc. Parvo can live in the soil and any other areas for years, and is temperature resistant. It can also stay on your shoes, clothes and even the fur of a dog. I would not take princess to your moms until you know she's safe. Vaccines are not a guarantee against it, and supposedly once they've had it, they won't get it again but there are rare cases of it happening (like chicken pox). You can go back and search for the parvo thread I had about Noah. He's our little 1 1/2 pound miracle dog. The vet honestly didn't expect him to live, but after 11 days (and 6500.00) we brought him home. I was devastated because the vet told me it's something that you will probably never be able to get rid of in your home and yard, and even after a dog has it, they continue to shed the virus for several weeks to months. Even if you treated your yard, other untreated dogs can bring it in, as well as raccoons, birds, and other animals. When it rains, it washes any contaminated poop into the soil, depositing the virus there where it continues to live. Guests can bring it in on their clothes, shoes, and hands too.

You can have princess tested and see if it shows up. Watch her for any lethargy, not eating, vomiting, diarrhea, blood in her stools, or just anything abnormal. Noah never exhibited any signs, and we just happened to find out he had it because of a reaction he had to a vaccine-of all things, a parvo vaccine. Feel free to message me if you want.
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Bleach is my favorite disinfectant, but many kennels use antiviral disinfectants rather than bleach, because of the corrosive effect bleach can have on the mucus membranes. Kennel-Sol is one that I know is pretty effective. Kennel Kare is another.
The problem with canine parvo is there are two types, CPV1 and CPV2, and several variants of CPV2; 2a, 2b and 2c, and some vaccines may not provide protection against 2c. If the vaccine protects against variant 2b, it should cross protect against 2a and 2c, but if it is based on the 2a variant, it will protect against 2b, but not 2c.. if I understand the methodology correctly.

Parvo mostly attacks rapidly dividing cells. In puppies, that would be the intestinal tract, which is why most puppies have the gastric form of parvo. Cardiac parvo is thought to occur from prenatal exposure, but when it's not it usually happens in very young puppies during a period of rapid growth of the heart muscle.

When adult dogs have caught parvo, it's because they were not properly vaccinated (maternal antibodies overcame the vaccine), or they have a compromised immune system.
I would ask your vet if a titer test can determine adequate levels of protection, given the situation, as well as a CBC to determine how her immune system is recovering or if it's still compromised.
You can discuss this information I found with your vet as well.

"Q: Hello, Just this week, I lost a 5 mo. old Boxer pup to Parvo. I have a 4 year old Beagle in the house as well. He has had his proper shots and recieved a booster as soon as the pup was diagnosed. The Beagle, so far, shows no symptoms of the disease. (Let's hope it stays that way!) The Beagle was removed from the household until I had bleached the yard 3 times in a 50/50 solution of bleach/water. The lawn has been cut after each bleaching. The house, floors, furniture and my bedding have been treated the same. All the bedding, toys etc of both the pup and Beagle have been dicarded and the Beagle has been given brand new items to replace them. I have brought the Beagle home now. The back yard was the area where the pup "left" all her body fluids etc. How long should I wait before - 1). I let the Beagle have access to the backyard? - 2) I can consider bringing in another Dog into the household, and would a Pup be out of the question? Note that neither animal had been out of the yard. Thanx!

A: It is very very unlikely that your Beagle will develop clinical symptoms of parvovirus. Older dogs, even if infected, often will not develop observable disease symptoms from parvovirus. Since your dog was vaccinated there is very little worry that he will have problems.
Parvovirus can live a long time in the environment. This makes it harder to advise you concerning getting a new puppy. It is possible that parvovirus can live several months (I have seen references to as long as 5 or 6 months) in the environment. You have taken good steps to reduce the risk but there would be some risk to a new puppy, especially in the next two to three months.
I would be hesitant to get a new puppy for awhile if it is less than 20 weeks of age. If it is over that age and has been vaccinated at 16 and 20 weeks of age for parvovirus, the odds are very very good that the vaccine will have protected the new puppy by then.
Mike Richards, DVM"


I would use a footbath for now, when coming home from visiting. A pan with bleach in it, or parvocide at the door, before you come in, and you shouldn't have to worry about tracking it in on your feet.
I know the worry that parvo exposure can bring.. But I don't think that you'll have to wait three years before being able to visit family, or take Princess to visit.
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I don't have an answer for you. Obviously disinfect all hard surfaces. Might just want to replace the shoes, but it can be carried on other things too.

It lives for years. Whether or not you want to avoid her house for that long I really think is a personal decision and depends on howmuch risk you are willing to take. I'd be nervous to go, but ultimately it would not keep me or my dog away for that long. After all, she walks where unknown dogs walk and I'm sure has come into contact with the virus a time or two before. Vaccines aren't 100%, but the chances are slim with it.
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Can you even track any virus on your shoes into the car where the dog might walk over the place with its feet? Would that cause the dog to pick it up?
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Can you even track any virus on your shoes into the car where the dog might walk over the place with its feet? Would that cause the dog to pick it up?

When I first graduated from Cosmetology School I moved to Southern Oregon with my friend. Her mom, is who introduced me to Yorkies almost 9 years ago. She was a yorkie lover and had them for years.

She at one point she had a female that they believe caught Parvo from a friends shoes. Their friend had actually been to a vet's office with her dogs and there had been quite a few cases of parvo admitted. She had come over to visit that same night.. in the same shoes.

I am not quite sure on all the details.. but of course her sweet yorkie girl caught parvo, and despite their very best efforts to save her she passed. It was such a sad story.
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