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[chachi]

Oh I missed the giving of shots at 6 to 7 weeks but I agree with you

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Aren't they not supposed to have all the vacs at 8 weeks per most vets, but some do anyways?
I hope someone know knows can comment on that and why...

Originally Posted by dawn27

No they start them between 6-7 weeks of age and receive vacinations up to a year old when they receive their first 3 yr. Rabies.

Originally Posted by Mardelin

If one is administering vaccinations at 6 or 7 weeks of age you are putting the pup in peril, by suppressing mother's immunities.

The proper age to begin vaccinations is approximately 9 weeks of age and continue with a 2nd 3 weeks after and follow up with the final at 16 weeks of age.

Study Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol it is what is being taught and Vet Colleges throughout the country.

Having misinformation out there stinks...even worse when a vet partakes in something irresponsible...makes what's wrong and right very confusing for people...especially coming here to learn or talking to an irresponsible vet or breeder...

[concretegurl]

Oooh wait, I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on Dawn27...I just think she really needs to learn more before spreading misinformation, breeding again,...and find a new vet too.IMHO

[Pam 19]

I got Teppi @ 8wks & she's now 5mo. I don't regret it for a minute. We're going to puppy classes @ PetSmart & she's learning so much. She's a great pup, wide open some times with the zoomies or just wanting to play, but still a great pup. I also say go with your heart. If you don't, then how will your heart feel? Probably pretty bad by the way it sounds since you've already fallen in love with your pup. Teppi's done fine. Like said already, here is where you can get most all your questions answered but always listen to your vet. Make sure you have a good one. Word of mouth in your area is usually a good way to find a good vet. Other people with pets will know. When you get your pup just show it all the love I'm sure you already have for it & don't worry about what anybody else says. It's your baby! Everybody will help you here. Good luck! Let us know how things are going.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by chomper09

i worked as a vet tech and the average age a puppy is let go to new homes is from 7 wks on up.... you have nothing to worry about.....hope you make the right decision....

Here enlies the problem...misinformation from some who states by profession they should know better in the least...there's a lot to worry about!

Originally Posted by Pam 19

I got Teppi @ 8wks & she's now 5mo. I don't regret it for a minute. We're going to puppy classes @ PetSmart & she's learning so much. She's a great pup, wide open some times with the zoomies or just wanting to play, but still a great pup. I also say go with your heart. If you don't, then how will your heart feel? Probably pretty bad by the way it sounds since you've already fallen in love with your pup. Teppi's done fine. Like said already, here is where you can get most all your questions answered but always listen to your vet. Make sure you have a good one. Word of mouth in your area is usually a good way to find a good vet. Other people with pets will know. When you get your pup just show it all the love I'm sure you already have for it & don't worry about what anybody else says. It's your baby! Everybody will help you here. Good luck! Let us know how things are going.

OP already worked it out with the breeder...hopefully breeder will begin correct practices and join TY too!
The topic shifted a bit to explaining WHY people hear misinformation so much-especially from ppl who should know better and why a 12 week minimum is best.
I can't wait to hear the OP's posts in a couple weeks and pic of their pup!

[EsmeeKimme]

Well thanks , the only pic I have is the orginal one she sent me which I shared on my intro thread but here it is again in case you missed it. His little face just turns my heart over!

[dawn27]

He is so very cute.... Good to hear that you were able to come to some compromise with the breeder. Cant wait to see pictures of his homecoming.

Also I want to apologize if by my coments I caused this thread to take a turn for the worst and take away form the topic at hand and what is important. It was not my intention to do so.

[concretegurl]

Awh look at those perfectly folded over lil ears! (I'm a floppy lover I know I'm horrible)
He has a beautiful "mask" on him!

I love seeing pics where a breeder is just holding them or allowing them to do pup stuff (shows a lot to me in their mentality) instead of soda can, or glamor and other silly kinds of pics...really looking forward to seeing more post and pics from you.

Again hope you get your breeder join YT too!

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

People need to understand that vets are not breeders and most are actually quite clueless about the ins and outs of dog breeding other than how to perform the x-ray check ups and a c-section if needed. granted there are many things we have to trust our vets with, but breeding is better left up to those that have been doing it all their lives.

also vets are not behavioralists so they do not understand complex dog emotions and mental and social needs of the dog. even trainers and behavioral experts are not always going to know breed specific needs like the breeder with the most experience in directly working with that breed does.

trust a reputable breeder NOT the vet, the techs, or the trainers. reputable breeders are usually involved in or linked to the dog's parent club and know the ins and outs of that breeder better than any general practicing trainer or vet.

i think that is disappointing if vets are not training in more aspects of the dogs then just medical..i can understand not being taught breed specifics..

i find that an EXCELLENT vet is just as informative as an EXCELLENT breeder..but excellent may be rare

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Oooh wait, I don't mean to sound like I'm picking on Dawn27...I just think she really needs to learn more before spreading misinformation, breeding again,...and find a new vet too.IMHO

Please don't start ragging on my Veterinarians / So un-cool !

I am not a veterinarian, and neither are you, so therefor we/ I must follow the recommendations of my family vet. Who has knows my dogs from day one. Plus I have gone to the same vet for the past 25+ yrs since I have owned my very first kitten.

Below is a link to a web site that backs the information that was posted, thank you!!


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2115&aid=960

[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by dawn27

Please don't start ragging on my Veterinarians / So un-cool !

I am not a veterinarian, and neither are you, so therefor we/ I must follow the recommendations of my family vet. Who has knows my dogs from day one. Plus I have gone to the same vet for the past 25+ yrs since I have owned my very first kitten.

Below is a link to a web site that backs the information that was posted, thank you!!


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2115&aid=960

This shot schedule seems very aggressive to me. I've NEVER had a puppy get a rabies vaccine before 4 or 5 months so 12 weeks seems super early. Do your own vet's recommendations coincide with this schedule? I noticed in the paragraph after the schedule this disclaimer: " . . . recommendations vary depending on age, breed, and health status of the dog, . . ." so even these vets are alluding to the fact that there is no "one size fits all protocol.". Check out this link, which has a schedule of vaccinations VASTLY different and much more conservative than the one you reference:

DR. JEAN DODDS' CANINE VACCINATION PROTOCOL ? 2010

I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat. Does your vet specialize in toy breeds? Also, not all vets have experience with pregnant dogs, which I would consider very important if I was a breeder. In fact, my daughter is a vet tech and she has worked for 2 private practices and neither one of them was pro- reproduction.

[Rhetts_mama]

The link you provided includes the following information that backs up what the others have said here, 6-7 weeks is too young to start vaccines.

When should puppies be vaccinated?
The length and timing of the window of susceptibility is different in every litter, and even between individuals in a litter. A study of a cross section of different puppies showed that the age at which they were able to respond to a vaccine and develop protection (become immunized) covered a wide period of time. At six weeks of age, 25% of the puppies could be immunized. At 9 weeks of age, 40% of the puppies were able to respond to the vaccine. The number increased to 60% by 16 weeks of age, and by 18 weeks, 95% of the puppies were protected by the vaccine.



This falls in line with Dr Dodd's recommended protocol:

9 - 10 weeks -Distemper + Parvovirus, MLV (e.g. Intervet
Progard Puppy DPV)

14 weeks- Same as above

16 -18 weeks (optional)- Same as above

20 weeks or older, if allowable by law- Rabies

1 year- Distemper and Parvovirus, MLV

1 year- Rabies, killed 3-year product (give 3-4 weeks apart from distemper/parvovirus booster)


W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS



Remember, too, that it takes about 2 weeks for antibodies to develop. So, sending a pup home at 8 weeks with vaccines started at 6 weeks would leave only 1 in 4 with any type of resistance to diseases. Those aren't odds I would want to take.

[dawn27]

Originally Posted by TexasKat08

This shot schedule seems very aggressive to me. I've NEVER had a puppy get a rabies vaccine before 4 or 5 months so 12 weeks seems super early. Do your own vet's recommendations coincide with this schedule? No they do not I noticed in the paragraph after the schedule this disclaimer: " . . . recommendations vary depending on age, breed, and health status of the dog, . . ." so even these vets are alluding to the fact that there is no "one size fits all protocol.". I totaly agree, each dog/breed should be treated on an individul bases. Check out this link, which has a schedule of vaccinations VASTLY different and much more conservative than the one you reference:

My youngest rec. here first rabies at 15 weeks, she was still too small.

DR. JEAN DODDS' CANINE VACCINATION PROTOCOL ? 2010

I guess there's more than one way to skin a cat. Does your vet specialize in toy breeds? Also, not all vets have experience with pregnant dogs, which I would consider very important if I was a breeder. In fact, my daughter is a vet tech and she has worked for 2 private practices and neither one of them was pro- reproduction.

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[teacup0819]

Originally Posted by EsmeeKimme

Well thanks , the only pic I have is the orginal one she sent me which I shared on my intro thread but here it is again in case you missed it. His little face just turns my heart over!

OMG...what can I say....adorable!!! Cannot wait till we can see more pictures of him.

[teacup0819]

Originally Posted by dawn27

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Dawn...I really think there is nothing left to say to you other than...you are wrong. You have received criticism here for very valid reasons and yet you refuse to believe that you or your vet could be misguided. That in and of itself shows what type of breeder you are. Nothiing left to be said.